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6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:44 pm

I've heard from 2 distinct and trusty sources that TAM will start training its crew for T7 next month and will receive the first one, of 6, on December 2006 or January 2007.

Does anyone has more information about it (where from the airplanes come from)???

TAM today has an all fleet of Airbus for long haul flights (A330 and few ordered A350), about 60 A319/20 and about 20 F100 (use to be 50, but the new Airbuses are substituting it).

IMHO, besides the main motive of this is supply a small part of the demand that Varig left (60% of Brazil's International flights), TAM may use those T7 to negotiate prices with Airbus.

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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:23 pm

Where would they be getting 6 T7s from? Did Varig have that many? And I thought all of Varig's T7s were leased, and that some of them had already been placed with new customers (Aeromexico for at least one, if not two)?
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:38 pm

Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 1):
Where would they be getting 6 T7s from? Did Varig have that many? And I thought all of Varig's T7s were leased, and that some of them had already been placed with new customers (Aeromexico for at least one, if not two)?

RG operated up to 8 triple sevens, two of which (PP-VRA/B) are reportedly headed for Aeromexico. That leaves another 6 up for grabs, but with the apparent state these planes are currently in, I am not sure whether JJ or any other airline would be willing to just take them over. Two of those six frames are ER versions, whereas the other 4 are non-ERs, and there are also two different engine manufacturers involved.
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sat Sep 16, 2006 1:50 pm

As JJ already has the A350 on order for further expansion I don't see why JJ would operate the 777 as well. It just makes no sense when looking at the longer term. Even though it seems unlikely it is interesting.

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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:52 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 3):
As JJ already has the A350 on order for further expansion I don't see why JJ would operate the 777 as well

maybe to cover intill the A350s arrive or just to help open expand the fleet for new routes or to upgrade aircraft.

Excellent news if true
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:01 pm

I was wondering, how do aircraft manufacturers handle these type of situations? Do they just contact the airline and say: "Hey we've read you are interested in competing products, what else can we offer you?" How do aircraft manufacturers handle this when they know the airline is only trying to get a better offer from the aircraft manufacturer where they have already placed an order? How do aircraft manufacturers determine how far they can go with these type of deals?

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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:04 pm

From what I have heard, yes, it is true. The first pair of 777s will be used to MIA, to launch MIA-GIG. TAM will soon fly four daily flights from Miami, to four cities in Brazil - GRU, GIG, SSA, and MAO. The 777s are a "quick fix" so they can expand quickly on long-hauls.
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:29 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):

Will TAM be keeping the T7s? or is it just a short term fix?
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:30 pm

I remember reading here in the forum that JJ plans on using the A320 on the MIA-MAO route, is this correct?

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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:09 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 3):
As JJ already has the A350 on order for further expansion I don't see why JJ would operate the 777 as well. It just makes no sense when looking at the longer term. Even though it seems unlikely it is interesting.

I think airlines want to have planes from both producers when they reach a certain size, to give them some independence. The T7s would rather be for the medium term, for expansion, I believe. When Varig doesn't fly them anymore, they are easier to get than A330s or even A350s, because they would take years to deliver. Therefore the T7 is an option for quick expansion. I wish Tam to have more luck then Varig had.

BTW, did anybody besides me read that Varig could get A332s??
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:44 pm

This rumor is spreading quickly.......and it seems to be coming from reliable sources. A couple of things to consider:

1. TAM needs longhaul capacity NOW.

2. TAM needs something bigger than the A332, especially for high demand routes from GRU/GIG to MIA and some new services to Europe.

3. While TAM has only Airbus airplanes on order, it is not TAM's goal to be an all-Airbus airline (its an a.net myth that airlines want to fly a fleet comprised of airplanes built by only one of the two major manufacturers).....if TAM has determined that the 777 would make sense for them, they will acquire the type.

4. The A332/777 longhaul combination seems to a be a winner; this combo is flown by a number of leading world carriers.

5. As for TAM and the A350XWB, the new Airbus is years away from EIS and do consider that the latest version is not yet officially launched......any commitment that TAM had to the prior A350 offering must be re-evaluated and re-negotiated. With that in mind, its very hard to say if TAM's interest in the 777 is a short term solution or now part of their long term plans.

6. The question that no one seem able to answer is where TAM is going to find six to eight (the numbers that I heard) 777s on such short notice......the ex-Varig birds are a mess and those airplanes are a mix of A market and ER versions with engines from both PW and GE. Someone mentioned that SQ is involved with this proposal.......did anyone else here that?

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
I remember reading here in the forum that JJ plans on using the A320 on the MIA-MAO route, is this correct?

A388

That is correct....MIA-MAO is not a widebody route, but JJ did configure a couple of A320s with a J class cabin for this route.
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:10 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 7):
Will TAM be keeping the T7s? or is it just a short term fix?

My guess is, once the new A330s and A350s begin to roll out of Toulouse, the 777s will be phased out. It's hard to believe TAM would permanently introduce the 777 to a quasi-all Airbus fleet (save for the F100s) - their expansion history shows that their success in the market comes from slow, steady growth and much restraint.
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:29 pm

I suppose 6 of a type is rather too small to operate economically, so I think it's more of an interim lease to take advantage of Varigs trouble... And they have to, cause if they don't someone else will grab Varigs slice of the cake!
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:35 pm

Wow,that should look nice in those colors if it happens.Who knows what will
happen with the A350 ordered by TAM??They were supposed to be getting
a A330 sized replacement.Now its going to be a 777 sized replacement.
Plus its 8 years away anyway.Does anybody know if the creditors have
taken back all the Varig 777s and flown them out.
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:40 pm

Unlikely but could Alitalia be going broke and return their 777 ? They have some real 777 beauties with GE90 engines -200ER version.
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:13 am

Last report from Felipe said that the Varig T7,s with the exception of A/B are still sitting at GIG but I cannot believe that they will be operational as quick as December. They need a lot of work and only two of them are ER,s.
It would be nice to see the T7 in TAM livery so I will hope that this is true.
Maybe JJMNGR or Lipe can share some info on this.

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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:46 am

I sat next to a UA employee on a flight down to FLL last week. He said the 2 ex UA RG 777s were parked at MIA and would maybe be leased by UA again.

Anyone have any info?
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:49 am

Quoting Tommy777 (Reply 16):
I sat next to a UA employee on a flight down to FLL last week. He said the 2 ex UA RG 777s were parked at MIA and would maybe be leased by UA again.

Anyone have any info?

I have heard rumors to the same effect.......it would make sense and UA could probably get a reasonable deal on the airplanes, especially the "unwanted" A market airplanes which UA can put to use on IAD-Europe routes.
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:31 am

My guess is that the 222ER models will go back to UA.

That leaves 4 A models and 2 UFO going TAM. Where would TAM get the other 2? If TAM is pleased with the 777, I would expect a sub fleet of 777's.

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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:52 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
I remember reading here in the forum that JJ plans on using the A320 on the MIA-MAO route, is this correct?

TAM flies Miami-Manaus-Belem-Fortaleza daily with a 2-class A320.
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:01 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 3):
As JJ already has the A350 on order for further expansion I don't see why JJ would operate the 777 as well. It just makes no sense when looking at the longer term. Even though it seems unlikely it is interesting.

As a short-term lease to offer interim capacity until the A350's arrive, it makes perfect sense to me. They're available now, so JJ would not have to wait for additional A332s or A333s, even if Airbus offered them an exceptional lease deal for interim lift.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 7):
Will TAM be keeping the T7s? or is it just a short term fix?

I say the latter.

Quoting Antiuser (Reply 11):
My guess is, once the new A330s and A350s begin to roll out of Toulouse, the 777s will be phased out.

Agreed. This is just interim lift.

Quoting EDDB (Reply 12):
I suppose 6 of a type is rather too small to operate economically, so I think it's more of an interim lease to take advantage of Varigs trouble... And they have to, cause if they don't someone else will grab Varigs slice of the cake!

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Quoting Tommy777 (Reply 16):
I sat next to a UA employee on a flight down to FLL last week. He said the 2 ex UA RG 777s were parked at MIA and would maybe be leased by UA again.

They certainly could use them.  Smile
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:35 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 20):
Agreed. This is just interim lift.

I must that I am amazed that you are so sure about this......if TAM gets the 777s and is impressed by their performance, there is a very good chance that TAM could order the 777 for its operations. TAM is not married to Airbus, and the 777 is one hell of an airplane. As for TAM and the A350XWB, as I said above, unless and until Airbus officially launches the newly revised A350 and until TAM re-confirms their order for the A350 (which is a different plane than TAM originally committed to), anything is possible.

I said it above and will say it again.....the A332/777 is a very strong combination for long haul operations.
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:51 am

The important thing at the moment is that JJ can start serving profitable long haul routes that no other Brazilian carrier is serving at the moment. The leasing of additional widebody aircraft (whether from one manufacturer or the other) is an urgent necessity, so this is a good move for JJ. And the 772ER is a fantastic plane.

While my initial impression is that the 772ERs will be an interim solution until JJ can get more A332s and, eventually A350XWBs, this is also a good opportunity for JJ to evaluate the Boeings and perhaps consider operating both planes side by side in the future.

Can someone remind me the new proposed routes that JJ will open? MXP, MAD maybe? I do not recall.
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:52 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 9):
BTW, did anybody besides me read that Varig could get A332s??

Yes.

Quoting EDDB (Reply 12):
I suppose 6 of a type is rather too small to operate economically

I disagree. There are examples showing it can be done.
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:59 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 21):
I must that I am amazed that you are so sure about this......if TAM gets the 777s and is impressed by their performance, there is a very good chance that TAM could order the 777 for its operations.

Only if the 772A and 772ER show superior performance to the A359, which I honestly don't see happening. If JJ wants these planes for "just a bit", as I believe, then they can save money by outsourcing the maintenance to another 777 operator as well as do a "power by the hour" deal with the engine manufacturer, they don't need to hire/train maintenance staff for the heavy stuff. And if they wet lease with an RG crew, they don't even need to train their own crews to fly it and then, when they're done with the planes, just walk away.

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TAM is not married to Airbus, and the 777 is one hell of an airplane. As for TAM and the A350XWB, as I said above, unless and until Airbus officially launches the newly revised A350 and until TAM re-confirms their order for the A350 (which is a different plane than TAM originally committed to), anything is possible.

Sure, but with six frames, it looks to me that JJ does not require a lot of long-term lift. If they were securing a dozen or more frames, then I'd be worried if I was Airbus because at that point, Boeing could come in with a hard 777 and/or 787 offer. Heck, Boeing probably will, anyway, but that just means Airbus might have to work a bit harder...
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:01 am

As I heard, the T7 will fly for TAM just becuase dont have more avaiable A330 on the market.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 21):
TAM is not married to Airbus

But its very close to it. TAM is far the biggest Airbus operator on all Latin America and it plans to close 2010 with 110 of them (A319/A320/A330).
Dont think that Airbus likes to see a Boeing on red colors.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 22):
Can someone remind me the new proposed routes that JJ will open? MXP, MAD maybe? I do not recall.

MXP is certain, but no dates yet. Next month TAM will start its flights to LHR.
MAD is on the plans, maybe for next year with the T7.

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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:08 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 22):

Can someone remind me the new proposed routes that JJ will open? MXP, MAD maybe? I do not recall.

MIA-GIG, CDG-GIG, and MXP-GRU in the short term.
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:26 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 21):
unless and until Airbus officially launches the newly revised A350 and until TAM re-confirms their order for the A350 (which is a different plane than TAM originally committed to), anything is possible.

If I recall correctly, they already have reiterated their A350 order.
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting Tommy777 (Reply 16):
sat next to a UA employee on a flight down to FLL last week. He said the 2 ex UA RG 777s were parked at MIA and would maybe be leased by UA again.

I can't believe, VRB (772ER / GE) VRE (772ER / PW) VRI/VRJ (772 PW) are at GIG. I can't see VRD today, but people from the airport says it keeps without one engine. The only two RG 772 on the United States are VRF (seems to be still at JFK) and VRC at Arizona (?). As i will fly GIG-MIA next week i can check this info. AFAIK the ex RG planes at MIA are 4 757-200.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 20):
As a short-term lease to offer interim capacity until the A350's arrive, it makes perfect sense to me. They're available now, so JJ would not have to wait for additional A332s or A333s, even if Airbus offered them an exceptional lease deal for interim lift.

The comment i heard today was the same of yesterday (and i just arrive at GIG): TAM staff visited VRI and VRJ yesterday at GIG and they keep their eyes on VRE and VRF also. I don't know where they will obtain 2 more birds, but VRC and VRD with a HUGE investment could become an option.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 20):
Agreed. This is just interim lift.

Could be, but also TAM is trying to obtain better deals for more planes with Airbus. As they know JJ fleet is Airbus, it's not easy to obtain good deals when you need a plane immediately like TAM needs. They believe that with some T7, Airbus will probably try to offer good deals to replace the 772 as they know the very good aircraft Boeing made.

Quoting Matheus (Reply 25):
As I heard, the T7 will fly for TAM just becuase dont have more avaiable A330 on the market.

There are some availability but it's not cheap as Tam is looking for. Tam strategy is to grow without expensive leasing agreements. IIRC Tam has tried one or two A330 but the conditions were not good. With the 772 they force Airbus to offer better deals.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 26):
MIA-GIG, CDG-GIG, and MXP-GRU in the short term.

If we imagine that they really want to add 6 772 to it's fleet, and remember they will receive 2 A332 from Airbus by first quarter 2007, probably one more route will be announced. As they will keep 3 daily services to CDG with AF c/s to FRA and MUC, we could see TAM flying back to Germany in the near future.
MAD is another possibility.

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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:40 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 28):
VRF (seems to be still at JFK)

VRE actually. As of last Saturday she was still parked next to the American hangar.

I hope we see TAM at MAD in the near future.
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:06 am

Tam has a bunch of A330's leased to Qatar, when are they coming home?
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:09 am

Guys,

This is not a rumor. It is a fact. I spend last weeks working together with engineering department and making some exercises where to put the aircrafts to fly on a mixed route between A332 and T7s.

Some destinations on the exercise, includes MXP as this is going to be TAM´s 3rd European destination and there were some others like FRA and MEX on the path.

What is a fact is that next OCT TAM will operate MAO using A332 and 15DEC will start its second daily GRU/JFK.

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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:14 am

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 31):
Guys,

This is not a rumor. It is a fact. I spend last weeks working together with engineering department and making some exercises where to put the aircrafts to fly on a mixed route between A332 and T7s.

Some destinations on the exercise, includes MXP as this is going to be TAM´s 3rd European destination and there were some others like FRA and MEX on the path.

What is a fact is that next OCT TAM will operate MAO using A332 and 15DEC will start its second daily GRU/JFK.

Cheers,

Can you confirm that JJ will be taking the six remaining ex-RG 772s? (2 772A/GE, 2 772A/PW, 2 772ER/PW)
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:14 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 30):
Tam has a bunch of A330's leased to Qatar, when are they coming home

There were 03 A332 leased to Ethyhad and not Qatar. Today, 15th September, PT-MVE is flying back to GRU and the hole 03 totally re-integrated into TAM´s fleet.

By the way...the T7s are NOT VARIG´s ex-aircraft.
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:17 am

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 33):
By the way...the T7s are NOT VARIG´s ex-aircraft.

Well don't keep us in suspense as to whose they are...  Smile
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:20 am

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 33):
By the way...the T7s are NOT VARIG´s ex-aircraft.



Quoting Stitch (Reply 34):
Well don't keep us in suspense as to whose they are...

Well, this thread just got very, very interesting.......what can you tell us? As I stated above, when I heard the rumor (which you are confirming), SQ was mentioned.....is that correct?
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:20 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 29):
VRE actually. As of last Saturday she was still parked next to the American hangar.

I hope we see TAM at MAD in the near future.

Thanks, all the time i change VRE and VRF !

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 30):
Tam has a bunch of A330's leased to Qatar, when are they coming home?

Two has already come back, one more is expected during the end of September/first days of October, so by the middle of October all 10 A332 will be back to TAM operational fleet.

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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:27 am

What large airline with a big 777 fleet would lease 6 777? Japan Air or ANA, British Airways, Emirates, Air France, UA, AA, Malaysian or SIA ? I would bet on 2 horses, BA with its many 777 in the winter could substitute 767 for 777 or Malaysian with its financial(they are killing flights to New York and several European Cities); others I don't see it. Since MH is eliminating many 777 routes that who I think could lease 6 777's to TAM.
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:30 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 35):
Well, this thread just got very, very interesting.......what can you tell us? As I stated above, when I heard the rumor (which you are confirming), SQ was mentioned.....is that correct?

SQ would make sense. Their first 772ERs, 9V-SQA to SQD were built in 1997 and as per SQ's fleet age policy, they should be due for phaseout soon.
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:07 am

LTU,

SIA has too many airplanes today not to have some that are 10 or more years old. With the delay in A380 some 744 are stayings bit longer. The only new airplanes SIA is getting right now are 773ER's, 19 of them are coming. In two years when a half dozen A380 are on the lot then a few 777 or 744 will go to the Arizona desert for a vacation or retirement. SIA has too big a regional schedule for the 777 to be returning any.
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:17 am

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 31):
What is a fact is that next OCT TAM will operate MAO using A332

What route from MAO will use the 332? GRU-MAO?
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:32 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 40):
What route from MAO will use the 332? GRU-MAO?

Probably GRU-MAO as MAO-MIA will need aircraft overnight. They will keep the A332 from LHR route parked at GRU so, probably they will use to look for the high yield cargo market at MAO.
10 A332: During the day the 5 at Brazil: 1 fly to MIA daily-light, 1 to EZE, 1 to SCL, nowadays 1 to REC (changed to MAO) and in the near future the daily-light GRU-JFK.

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 33):
By the way...the T7s are NOT VARIG´s ex-aircraft.

It's a big surprise after Tam has looked into VRI and VRJ. I can't imagine who will ground or return T7 in the near future.

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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:05 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 32):
Can you confirm that JJ will be taking the six remaining ex-RG 772s? (2 772A/GE, 2 772A/PW, 2 772ER/PW)

The T7s are not ex-RG´s. I don´t known where they are going to come from but who is dealing this told me they are not ex-RG

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 40):
What route from MAO will use the 332? GRU-MAO?

Yes, it is going to be GRU/MAO/GRU

Felipe,

The flight to EZE with A332 that has just started 01SEP06 is scheduled to operate with A332 on short term. The plans are to quit EZE opes with A332 and start to fly GRU/MAO/GRU because cargo loads are better.
At the end of the year, EZE cargo market reacts with high season of cherries to USA and Europe and than one of the A332 might so some spot flight to EZE.

Next Monday I will be OB JJ8094 to work a week at MIA and will try to get some more information right there. Any new things I will try to post from there.
 
LipeGIG
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:18 am

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 42):
The flight to EZE with A332 that has just started 01SEP06 is scheduled to operate with A332 on short term. The plans are to quit EZE opes with A332 and start to fly GRU/MAO/GRU because cargo loads are better.
At the end of the year, EZE cargo market reacts with high season of cherries to USA and Europe and than one of the A332 might so some spot flight to EZE.

Thanks for clarify this question. So it seems Tam will keep 1 A332 during the day at GRU for maintenance purposes and as a reserve plane. Also, cargo demand and yield at MAO is amazing and it's year round, and also will allow a little addition of pax on this route.

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 42):
Next Monday I will be OB JJ8094 to work a week at MIA and will try to get some more information right there. Any new things I will try to post from there.

I will be at MIA next Saturday, if you stay for more than a week let me know!

Felipe
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:34 am

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 31):
there were some others like FRA and MEX on the path.

Wasn't MEX allocated to Gol? Many a.netters have mentioned imminent MAO-MEX service by Gol. I'd love to see JJ here instead, though.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:36 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 43):
Thanks for clarify this question. So it seems Tam will keep 1 A332 during the day at GRU for maintenance purposes and as a reserve plane. Also, cargo demand and yield at MAO is amazing and it's year round, and also will allow a little addition of pax on this route.

Unfortunately, the rates were around R$3,30, R$3,50 por kg and after MTA entered the market, they started to sell for R$1,80....that´seally totally unnecessary to do it, specially with the year end coming.....

I will fly back to GRU on the 21st and on the 22nd it is my twin girls 2nd birthday and I won´t miss it for nothing in this world!!! But there will be more chances for a beer together.
Thanks by the way.
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 44):
Wasn't MEX allocated to Gol? Many a.netters have mentioned imminent MAO-MEX service by Gol. I'd love to see JJ here instead, though.

Eddie, Gol for sure will use Fortaleza Agreement frequencies (ex-billateral), and yesterday AFAIK they change plans in favor of LIM-MEX !

Felipe
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:57 am

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 45):
I will fly back to GRU on the 21st and on the 22nd it is my twin girls 2nd birthday and I won´t miss it for nothing in this world!!! But there will be more chances for a beer together.
Thanks by the way.

For sure, enjoy this special moment with your family ! I will be moving from Sao Paulo to New York later next month, by the end of month lets try to arrange a good beer. There's a good place nowadays in Sampa called "Devassa" at Alameda Lorena !

Nice trip to you!

Felipe
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
 
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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:03 am

Only throwing a few ideas around but as SIA has 6 new 773ERs due in the next 6 months from Boeing 9V-SWA/B/C/E/F/G and 772ERs 9V-SQA/B/C/D/E/F are getting on a bit now, maybe this is where they're coming from?

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RE: 6 Boeing 777 To TAM

Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:18 am

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 42):
The flight to EZE with A332 that has just started 01SEP06 is scheduled to operate with A332 on short term. The plans are to quit EZE opes with A332 and start to fly GRU/MAO/GRU because cargo loads are better.
At the end of the year, EZE cargo market reacts with high season of cherries to USA and Europe and than one of the A332 might so some spot flight to EZE.

Next Monday I will be OB JJ8094 to work a week at MIA and will try to get some more information right there. Any new things I will try to post from there.

Thanks for the info. Are you able to update us on the status of MIA-GIG?

Have a great time in Miami, too. Wish I could be there right now...stuck in Chicago.
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