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Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:00 pm

Hello,

I was last thursday at CDG when I saw this Aerolinas Argentinas clean 737/500
last thursday...very strange...I remembered the topic saying that
60% of their plane where grounded.
Was is at CDG for maintenance ?

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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:03 pm

Most likely it is an ex AF bird going to AR. Correct me when I'm wrong.
 
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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:12 pm

Aerolíneas Argentinas flies daily from Madrid to Paris CDG using B735. They are used as feeder for their MAD-EZE flights, but you can just fly the route CDG-MAD without going to Argentina.

AR also flies MAD-LGW daily with a B735.
 
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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:18 pm

It's LV-BBN, based at MAD in June 2006 for feeding AR's longhaul flights. Btw - it's ex-AF (F-GJNX), delivered to AR in June 2005.


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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:46 pm

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 1):
Aerolíneas Argentinas flies daily from Madrid to Paris CDG using B735. They are used as feeder for their MAD-EZE flights, but you can just fly the route CDG-MAD without going to Argentina.

AR also flies MAD-LGW daily with a B735.

Yes, correct.....these unusual feeder flights were flown by an MD80 for several years before the 735 was introduced.
 
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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:07 pm

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):
It's LV-BBN, based at MAD in June 2006 for feeding AR's longhaul flights. Btw - it's ex-AF (F-GJNX), delivered to AR in June 2005.

Thanks for the Info plane hunter...
Strange system, to feed; AR has no alliance to permit other companies to do this ?
Yes logical to use a recently AF 737/500
I thonk AF has 9 or 7 left.

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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:37 am

The aircraft is coming back to Buenos Aires at the end of September. MD88's will do that work again. It's a codeshare flight with Air Plus Comet (MAD-CDG and MAD-LGW).
 
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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:23 am

Quoting Marcus380 (Reply 5):
Strange system, to feed

Not unheard of though. IB did the same thing until 2004 for their Central American flights. They had DC-9s, MD-80s and last A319s based down here for feeder flights in and out of their MIA hub, which was shut down due to the US's Visa Requirements. Maybe when AR gets those A332, there could be the possibility of them starting nonstop EZE-CDG service.
 
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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:41 am

First, that news about AR 60% of the fleet grounded, is wrong.
Second, Aerolineas operates ( since 3/4 years ago) MAD-CDG and MAD-LGW, first with an MD88 and now with a 735.

with the huge database of A.Net and all the threads, people should be better informed.
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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:32 am

Why doesn't AR operate newer norrowbody aircraft? Newer models would do them much good, be it Boeing, Airbus or Embraer. The E-jets are perfect for replacing those -500s. . . I wonder if AR could buy Embraer's without import tax due to Mersosul?

Edit: random question, but did the ARG government indeed buy back Marsan's share or not? Are they still talking about it? Haven't heard anything new about it. Thanks for any info.

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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:21 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 9):
Why doesn't AR operate newer norrowbody aircraft? Newer models would do them much good, be it Boeing, Airbus or Embraer. The E-jets are perfect for replacing those -500s. . . I wonder if AR could buy Embraer's without import tax due to Mersosul?

Edit: random question, but did the ARG government indeed buy back Marsan's share or not? Are they still talking about it? Haven't heard anything new about it. Thanks for any info.

Cheers

[Edited 2006-09-16 22:40:24]

Its a money issue......lets be grateful that AR is finally replacing its ancient 732s with 735s, its a big step in the right direction. AR is not in the position to go on a shopping spree for new airplanes.....although there are reports that AR will upgrade its longhaul fleet with some new A330s.
 
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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:14 pm

Not sure when AR will get their A332s , they will reopen a direct EZE-CDG , since the load factor is not so high for them.In fact less than 100 passengers a flight.
Passengers travel aboard AFR 777s (which are always full) on the EZE-CDG route.
They have to improve the quality of the service , and to low prices to attract more passengers on this market.Can the A332 will help for this purpose ?
 
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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:31 pm

Quoting FCKC (Reply 11):
Not sure when AR will get their A332s , they will reopen a direct EZE-CDG

I doubt the A332 could fly nonstop CDG-EZE ...
 
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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:47 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 12):
I doubt the A332 could fly nonstop CDG-EZE ...

I admit that at 5980 nm still air distance between EZE and CDG, an A332 would be tight in its range, but then again, it can be just a direct flight (flight with stopover but no change of aircraft), not a nonstop flight.
 
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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:53 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 9):
The E-jets are perfect for replacing those -500s

But the 500's are new, they are the replacement, so don't expect these to be replaced any time soon

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 9):
random question, but did the ARG government indeed buy back Marsan's share or not?

AFAIK what they agreed is that the Government can officially have a 20% of the shares, although I'm not sure if they have already bought the whole 20% back.


Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):
although there are reports that AR will upgrade its longhaul fleet with some new A330s.

Apparently Marsans will buy 12 330's of which 10 would go to AR, but with Marsans you never know.

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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:44 am

Quoting FCKC (Reply 11):
they will reopen a direct EZE-CDG

I don´t think there´s not enough demand for such a route, competing with AF. There are better destinations for AR to expand, I believe.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 9):
The E-jets are perfect for replacing those -500s

Not for replacement, I´m afraid. It´s another market segment. They would surely be useful on very short routes where a 737 is just too big.
Anyway, the 737-500s is a nice fleet to have instead of the -200s. I hope we see more coming.

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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:03 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 12):
doubt the A332 could fly nonstop CDG-EZE ...

The A332 can flight CDG-EZE directly, it is the flight sample on Airbus.com:

http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfam...a330a340/a330-200/performance.html

click on "Paris"

Quoting Lanas (Reply 15):
I don´t think there´s not enough demand for such a route, competing with AF. There are better destinations for AR to expand, I believe

Not so sure, the AF CDG-EZE flight are always crowded
and it conitnues to Santiago, so, maybe the is space for AR to fly to CDG
3 or 4 times weekly.
 
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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:29 am

Quoting Marcus380 (Reply 16):
Not so sure, the AF CDG-EZE flight are always crowded
and it conitnues to Santiago, so, maybe the is space for AR to fly to CDG
3 or 4 times weekly.



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 12):
I doubt the A332 could fly nonstop CDG-EZE ...

I also doubt it; maybe in range, but remember the winds in the southbound flight

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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:10 pm

Quoting Marcus380 (Reply 16):
The A332 can flight CDG-EZE directly, it is the flight sample on Airbus.com

Figures on a paper ...it always works.
The A332 is one of the best aircraft around, but it would hardly make it without restrictions on CDG-EZE.

The World's longest regular flights for an A332 is operated by AF on CDG-NRT (5256nm) and CDG-HKG (5187nm) and the plane, when full, is already at its limit on those lines, and CDG-EZE is 5980nm which is another 700nm further ...

But the A332 would be just perfect for AR on the EZE-MIA or EZE-JFK routes ...

Quoting Marcus380 (Reply 16):
Not so sure, the AF CDG-EZE flight are always crowded
and it conitnues to Santiago,

Not anymore. Starting October 29th, AF will keep a DAILY CDG-EZE-CDG (AF418/AF415) but all flights will terminate at EZE, which represents quite a big increase in the seat offered weekly on this line.
SCL will be served also NONSTOP from CDG(AF406/AF401), separetly from EZE, with 5 x Weekly flights.

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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:20 pm

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 2):
Aerolíneas Argentinas flies daily from Madrid to Paris CDG using B735. They are used as feeder for their MAD-EZE flights, but you can just fly the route CDG-MAD without going to Argentina.

AR also flies MAD-LGW daily with a B735.

Apparently you can't book the MAD/CDG or MAD/LGW sectors online from 1st October - it has to be done through the call centre. Anyone know why?
 
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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:49 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 18):
SCL will be served also NONSTOP from CDG(AF406/AF401), separetly from EZE, with 5 x Weekly flights.

Why AF keeps 777s instead of 340s to EZE-SCL?

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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:00 am

Quoting Arcano (Reply 20):
Why AF keeps 777s instead of 340s to EZE-SCL?

Payload/Cargo capacity.

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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:15 am

Quoting SK736 (Reply 19):
Apparently you can't book the MAD/CDG or MAD/LGW sectors online from 1st October - it has to be done through the call centre. Anyone know why?

Of course you can book those sectors. The only difference is that it won't be an AR flight anymore, it will be an Air Plus codeshared flight using a MD88:

Quoting Argentina (Reply 6):
The aircraft is coming back to Buenos Aires at the end of September. MD88's will do that work again. It's a codeshare flight with Air Plus Comet (MAD-CDG and MAD-LGW).
 
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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:19 pm

Quoting Arcano (Reply 20):
Why AF keeps 777s instead of 340s to EZE-SCL?

The A340 on CDG-EZE-SCL was briefly used by AF quite a long time ago ... In the early 90s with A342 if I remember correctly when flights became nonstop on CDG-EZE.


Then the flights were operated by B744 Combi (most of the time) and EZE was one of the first destinations to see the AF's B772ER, the second in South America after GRU, in 1999.

As MD11Junkie said, it is first a question of playload and freight capacity.
Then, the B777 offers a First Class (the A343 doesn't) and more seats in Business Class.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 20):
Any chance we'll see you in Chile?

BIG chances I come to SCL during the winter ... if I can get a flight  Wink
 
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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:34 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 24):
The A340 on CDG-EZE-SCL was briefly used by AF quite a long time ago ... In the early 90s with A342 if I remember correctly when flights became nonstop on CDG-EZE.

Indeed, I remember to see 342 in SCL in 1993... htey even got a model over the counter. At that time I wasn't aware of it, and I kept wonder a long time what aircraft was that one with four engines and a single deck. I kept repeating me: "it can't be a 707"...
At that time, Internet wasn't that available to clear things to me, I guess...

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 24):
BIG chances I come to SCL during the winter ... if I can get a flight

Let me know if you come here to show you around...

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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:40 am

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 22):
Of course you can book those sectors. The only difference is that it won't be an AR flight anymore, it will be an Air Plus codeshared flight using a MD88:

Read my reply again. I didn't say you couldn't book them I said you couldn't book them ONLINE after the 1st October.
 
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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:45 am

Aerolineas' 737-500 LV-BBN will return to Argentina in the beginning of October. What aircraft will operate the LGW and CDG routes? Or worse, will these routes still run?

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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:03 am

Quoting Lanas (Reply 26):
Aerolineas' 737-500 LV-BBN will return to Argentina in the beginning of October. What aircraft will operate the LGW and CDG routes? Or worse, will these routes still run?

Yes, they will. They will be operated by the MD88s that AR/AU still have in Spain.

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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 27):
the MD88s that AR/AU still have in Spain.

But they´re with Air Plus now, I believe. Will they be registered back as Argentine aircraft?

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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:25 am

There's a Concorde taking off in the back?!? or is just a static display..  Smile

Aerolineas Argentinas has the ugliest colors around. I didn't know AR was basing short-haul aircraft in Europe.
 
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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:24 am

Quoting Lanas (Reply 28):

But they´re with Air Plus now, I believe. Will they be registered back as Argentine aircraft?

Leased to, I believe. I don't know about the reggos.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 29):
There's a Concorde taking off in the back?!? or is just a static display.

Static display. The 'hommage' to the Concorde.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 29):
Aerolineas Argentinas has the ugliest colors around.

Thank you very much for saying my flag is ugly (note: this is not an actually thank you)

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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:37 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 30):
Leased to, I believe. I don't know about the reggos.

Former LV-VCB and LV-VGB are flying for Air Plus Comet as EC-JKC and EC-JOI, respectively. They´ll be back in AR by the end of the year or beginning of 2007, it is said.

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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:51 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 29):
Aerolineas Argentinas has the ugliest colors around.

Oh, come on! Their planes are beautiful. Very clean, strong blue and white. What's not to like?!
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RE: Aerolinas Argentinas 737 At Cdg? (pic)

Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:18 pm

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 30):
Thank you very much for saying my flag is ugly (note: this is not an actually thank you)

No che.. I actually like your flag, in fact if the flag was on the tail (sorta like on the argentinian govt. 757 the scheme would look way nicer. I have in mind a real nice livery for AArgentinas.

Quoting CODCAIAH (Reply 32):

Oh, come on! Their planes are beautiful. Very clean, strong blue and white. What's not to like?!

The previous 2 schemes were nice.. not the current one. Besides the condor, nothing to like, if you ask me lol
 
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Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:52 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 29):
There's a Concorde taking off in the back?!? or is just a static display..

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