gilesdavies
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Intra-European Flights Outside Of Home Market...

Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:06 am

Outside of the Low Cost Carrier Market, I was wondering how many other carriers have taken advantage of the "Open-Skies" policy within the European Union and are operating scheduled routes outside of their home market.

Anyone know of any such routes and what carriers operate the flights...

The only ones I can think of are:

Adria Airways (Slovenia) - VIE-FRA
Air Malta - LGW-CTA
 
alespesl
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RE: Intra-European Flights Outside Of Home Market...

Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:23 am

Czech Airlines flies daily MRS-BCN-MRS.
 
TriStar500
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RE: Intra-European Flights Outside Of Home Market...

Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:26 am

LG used to operate BGY-ATH (or something similar) for a while a few years ago as a tag-on to their LUX service.
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TIA
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RE: Intra-European Flights Outside Of Home Market...

Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:36 am

SN: NCE-GVA (or something similar)
MA: ATH-HEL, ATH-DUB

I don't know if these flights still operate, but they did at one point.
 
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RE: Intra-European Flights Outside Of Home Market...

Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:45 am

LG still operates SCN-MUC vv. although actually Luxembourg is so small, one could count the Saarland (the region which hosts SCN) as its home market. then this flight wouldn't in this category, LOL.

also, LH once had flights from MRS to BOD and back, as a tag-on flight from the MUC-MRS run. that was in the mid-nineties, IRIC.

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PHKLM
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RE: Intra-European Flights Outside Of Home Market...

Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:47 am

AR MAD-CDG
AR MAD-LHR
LA MAD-FRA

RG used to fly AMS-CDG.

These flights are bookable without connecting to LatAm.
 
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RE: Intra-European Flights Outside Of Home Market...

Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:03 am

In the mid nineties, BA used to operate
ARN to CDG, NCE and FCO with a F100.
It lasted about four years but was never very successful.
 
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RE: Intra-European Flights Outside Of Home Market...

Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:27 am

LG MAN/DUB/MAN
VG Loads of routes ex LCY

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 5):
AR MAD-CDG
AR MAD-LHR

Interstingly, from the 1st October these flights cannot be booked online, only through the AR call centre. Anyone know why?
 
goldorak
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RE: Intra-European Flights Outside Of Home Market...

Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:04 am

Air France LCY-DUB operated by WX (cityjet) - 28 weekly flights each way
 
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RE: Intra-European Flights Outside Of Home Market...

Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:50 am

EK flies FCO-NCE and from Cyprus (Lanarca) to Malta.
 
Humberside
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RE: Intra-European Flights Outside Of Home Market...

Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:53 am

Quoting TIA (Reply 3):
SN: NCE-GVA (or something similar)

It was MRS-GVA but is no longer operated

Quoting Goldorak (Reply 8):
Air France LCY-DUB operated by WX (cityjet) - 28 weekly flights each way

Since Cityjet are an Irish airline this is a debatable one. You could argue most of Cityjet's routes fit into this thread since they dont serve Ireland
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goldorak
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RE: Intra-European Flights Outside Of Home Market...

Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:01 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 10):
Since Cityjet are an Irish airline this is a debatable one. You could argue most of Cityjet's routes fit into this thread since they dont serve Ireland

not exactly. You would be right if it was a code-shared flight. But this is not the case as the route is not operated under a WX flight number but only a AF number. So I think, this case falls under the scope of the post. Other routes done by WX are operated from France, under AF franchise agreement, so do not correspond to the question asked.
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RE: Intra-European Flights Outside Of Home Market...

Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:06 am

Ryanair from Rome to Venice!
Now, Easyjet from Madrid to Asturias and Galicia
 
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RE: Intra-European Flights Outside Of Home Market...

Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:10 am

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 9):
EK flies FCO-NCE

No traffic rights though.
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Humberside
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RE: Intra-European Flights Outside Of Home Market...

Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:56 am

Quoting Goldorak (Reply 11):
not exactly. You would be right if it was a code-shared flight. But this is not the case as the route is not operated under a WX flight number but only a AF number. So I think, this case falls under the scope of the post. Other routes done by WX are operated from France, under AF franchise agreement, so do not correspond to the question asked.

Am I right in thinking though that as an Irish registered airline, Cityjet couldn't fly most of their AF routes without open skies or would the fact they are French owned allow them to do so
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goldorak
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RE: Intra-European Flights Outside Of Home Market...

Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:01 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 14):
Am I right in thinking though that as an Irish registered airline, Cityjet couldn't fly most of their AF routes without open skies or would the fact they are French owned allow them to do so

I think you're right. Without open skies, I don't think they could operate AF routes such as CDG to FLR, ZRH, EDI, etc. But I'm not a specialist of these "legal" issues, so I may be wrong
 
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RE: Intra-European Flights Outside Of Home Market...

Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:31 am

The Belgian airline VLM is the largest carrier at London City Airport and has the bulk of its operations there, with routes LCY-MAN, LCY-LPL, LCY-IOM and LCY-JER within the UK and dependencies, LCY-AMS and LCY-RTM between the UK and the Netherlands, and LCY-LUX between the UK and Luxembourg in addition to LCY-BRU and LCY-ANR between the UK and Belgium.
 
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RE: Intra-European Flights Outside Of Home Market...

Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:38 am

Tag flights are not that popular with airlines anymore. LH used to fly GOA-NAP way before we had the European Internal Market.

Which actually is the "open skies" policy. Any company, not only airlines, basically can do business anywhere in Europe. Once Brussels has taken over the negotiations of traffic rights from the various states and negotiates directly with third countries, the EU carriers can fly from anywhere in the EU to anywhere aoutside the EU,
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RE: Intra-European Flights Outside Of Home Market...

Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:34 pm

SV operates FRA-GVA and CDG-FCO, although I am not sure about traffic rights on these routes. I have always thought about trying out SV this way in order to avoid having to travel to Saudi Arabia.
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RE: Intra-European Flights Outside Of Home Market...

Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:00 pm

Quoting TIA (Reply 3):
MA: ATH-HEL
I don't know if these flights still operate, but they did at one point.

MA did operate that this summer, too.

Until next month AY is operating ARN-MAD-ARN and ARN-OSL-ARN.
Also Gothenburg-CPH (only Sundays).

[Edited 2006-09-18 11:01:15]
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