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Boeing Will Begin Shipping Wings, Fuselage For 787

Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:06 am

Yet another nail in the coffin of rumors that the 787 is 6 months behind schedule that the Boeing bashers love to keep alive!

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aGKk2QfBz3YQ

FYI 747LCF to be certified by Dec. 7, 2006.

[Edited 2006-09-18 03:08:30]
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RE: Boeing Will Begin Shipping Wings, Fuselage For 787

Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:48 pm

Getting back to the article, sort of.

I just had to see a picture of the 747LCF freighter after the article quoted the pilot as saying ``It's not the prettiest plane in the world, but it is such an important part of the company's plan, I can get past its looks,''.

After a quick photo search on Airliners.net, I have to agree. It looks like a 747 wrapped in a hot dog bun. I suppose all that is important is getting the job done.
 
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RE: Boeing Will Begin Shipping Wings, Fuselage For 787

Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:02 pm

Can't wait to see the future of flight take off and NZ receive the first B789
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RE: Boeing Will Begin Shipping Wings, Fuselage For 787

Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:28 pm

This is fantastic...not only do we get to see the LCF coming into NGO, but there should be some local festivities as well when shipping begins. You should see the cuties MHI has on staff  Wink
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RE: Boeing Will Begin Shipping Wings, Fuselage For 787

Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:57 pm

Excellent! The 787 juggernaut marches on! How exciting!

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RE: Boeing Will Begin Shipping Wings, Fuselage For 787

Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:09 pm

Quoting Justapassenger (Reply 5):
I just had to see a picture of the 747LCF freighter after the article quoted the pilot as saying ``It's not the prettiest plane in the world, but it is such an important part of the company's plan, I can get past its looks,''.

By comparison, the WhaleJet looks like a balerina.  Smile
 
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RE: Boeing Will Begin Shipping Wings, Fuselage For 787

Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:20 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 7):
You should see the cuties MHI has on staff

Hey...some of them are former students of mine...

Thanks to the LCF NGO could finally make the photo search!

On topic...wonder how much you can bend a Carbon fiber wing compared to the ones used on say the 777?
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RE: Boeing Will Begin Shipping Wings, Fuselage For 787

Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:19 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 11):
On topic...wonder how much you can bend a Carbon fiber wing compared to the ones used on say the 777?

CFRP is considerably stiffer than aluminium, but how stiff can be varied depend on resin, layup, etc.
 
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RE: Boeing Will Begin Shipping Wings, Fuselage For 787

Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:22 pm

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 8):
another correction to the article should be made:

iso:

"Boeing Will Begin Shipping Wings, Fuselage For 787"

it should read:

"Boeing will begin taking delivery of outsourced wings and fuselage for 787"

Aw, come on now! Your comment here is overly simplistic and disingenuous. You have to give the good folks at Boeing credit for this decision to farm out a portion of the manufacturing process to potential large customers of this aircraft. While Boeing could have completed the manufacturing process without outside help, doesn't the inclusion of countries who now have a vested interest in the success of this aircraft make good business sense?

Using Japan as an example, if Nagoya wasn't so involved in the manufacturing process, do you think Boeing could have booked so many (80 firm/ 70 options)
from ANA and JAL?
 
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RE: Boeing Will Begin Shipping Wings, Fuselage For 787

Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:35 pm

When is the first 787 prototype rolling out...? And how many will there be? I think four, for the testing program?

Quoting Thebry (Reply 4):
Right you are, Manni. Thanks for the correction. The largest SELLER of airliners.

I guess it'd be too wordy to say "Boeing Co., the airline maker with the largest installed base..." "largest number of airliners in service..." or something like that.

Does it really matter who is the largest? Airbus have been caught in this one-upmanship game for years and brought out models that the market didn't really desperately need, just to prove that "we have the longest / biggest".....see where it's got them....
 
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RE: Boeing Will Begin Shipping Wings, Fuselage For 787

Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:36 pm

Quoting SkepticAll (Reply 13):

Using Japan as an example, if Nagoya wasn't so involved in the manufacturing process, do you think Boeing could have booked so many (80 firm/ 70 options)
from ANA and JAL?

Most likely.

Airbus had no competitor to the 787 when the two airlines placed their order, and they would have needed to wait two years for even the slightest details on the A350-XWB. Even today, Airbus has no competitor to the short-haul 787-3 which constitutes the bulk of the ANA and JAL orders.

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RE: Boeing Will Begin Shipping Wings, Fuselage For 787

Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:52 pm

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 14):
When is the first 787 prototype rolling out...?

I believe it will happen in June/July next year.

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 14):
And how many will there be? I think four, for the testing program?

Six flying and to for static and fatigue-testing. More info here:
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RE: Boeing Will Begin Shipping Wings, Fuselage For 787

Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:58 pm

Quoting Brendows (Reply 16):
Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 14):


Six flying and to for static and fatigue-testing. More info here:

Thanks.... smile 
 
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RE: Boeing Will Begin Shipping Wings, Fuselage For 787

Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:37 am

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 8):
another correction to the article should be made:

iso:

"Boeing Will Begin Shipping Wings, Fuselage For 787"

it should read:

"Boeing will begin taking delivery of outsourced wings and fuselage for 787"

other than that, interesting article.

You can put that spin on it if you'd like, but it really is Boeing doing the shipping (their ship, management subcontracted to Evergreen), not the ones doing the manufacturing.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 15):
Even today, Airbus has no competitor to the short-haul 787-3 which constitutes the bulk of the ANA and JAL orders.

And you can also make the argument that they have no direct competitor to the 787-8: the smallest A350XWB is bigger than the 787-8. That's why you see SQ taking 787, 777 and A350XWB.
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RE: Boeing Will Begin Shipping Wings, Fuselage For 787

Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:38 am

Neat to see how this whole project os moving right along....on schedule.
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RE: Boeing Will Begin Shipping Wings, Fuselage For 787

Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:41 am

Quoting Manni (Reply 3):
It will be the worlds largest seller of commercial aircraft, the worlds largest maker (based on deliveries) will remain Airbus for the time being. Wink

Well, my guess is when 787 production goes online, that will only help Boeing delvieries. Wasn't Boeing talking about increasing 737 production at one point? The A320 is Airbus' wonder. Biggest mistake in Boeing history was underestimating that.

And biggest aircraft maker? Airbus ships more units, but correct me if I'm wrong, Boeing is very close, if not - already do ship a greater value of aircraft?

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 10):

By comparison, the WhaleJet looks like a balerina. Smile

Perhaps this is why Boeing elected not to offer a double decker 747, they couldn't bear to look at it.
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