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Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:35 pm

Flag carrier Thai Airways International has said it would buy four Boeing 777-200ER aircraft worth 560 million dollars to expand its fleet amid strong foreign demand.
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"We want to meet strong foreign demand as we open new direct flights from Bangkok to Johannesburg in October," a company official said, adding that Thai Airways would receive the planes in the next fiscal year to September 2007


http://www.todayonline.com/articles/143231.asp

Are these new orders or part of the existing 6 which they ordered in 2004 which have yet to be delivered?

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RE: Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:01 pm

It seems unlikely that a new order placed now would provide for delivery of four B777s by September 2007 unless TG already held delivery slots somehow.
 
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RE: Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:10 pm

It seems improbable that this is a new order. I suspect it's some rather ill-informed reporter belatedly picking up on the previous order.

The clue might be in the statement that this takes to 44 the number of Boeings in their fleet. Can anyone work that out?
 
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RE: Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:24 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 1):
placed now would provide for delivery of four B777s by September 2007 unless TG already held delivery slots somehow.

They most recently ordered 6 x 772ER powered by RR in December 2004 so they hold delivery slots. QRs recently confirmed order had the first delivery for November 2007. I'm not sure of the definition of the Thai fiscal year.

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
I suspect it's some rather ill-informed reporter belatedly picking up on the previous order.

It could well be in which case they have quoted the incorrect number as TG have 6 on order with delivery commencing this year. A quick check of Boeings site shows these as being unfilled.

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Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:25 pm

http://www.thaiairways.com/About_Tha...tion/Information/AircraftFleet.htm

Thai lists 44 Boeing aircraft, including 4 leased to Nok Air. No idea if the website is up to date.

edited, website says UPDATE AUG 2006

[Edited 2006-09-18 07:27:53]
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RE: Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:54 pm

The list at Thai's website excludes aircraft yet to be delivered. If those additional 4 bring the fleet to 44 (excluding 4 for Nok Air), why isn't there any mentioning of the other 2 aircraft ordered in december 2004? Cancelled?

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
four Boeing 777-200ER aircraft worth 560 million dollars to expand its fleet amid strong foreign demand.

That's an interesting bit. Usually listprices are mentioned, it would be US$720 million to US$848 million for the 772ER, or US$190 to US$212 million a piece. Assuming the average of US$201 million, Thai's 772ER's seem to come with a discount of 30%.
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Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:04 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 5):
Thai's 772ER's seem to come with a discount of 30%.

That would be within the range of normalcy.
 
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RE: Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:46 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6):
That would be within the range of normalcy.

It certainly is IMO. It's just that it happens not often that it is made public.
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Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:57 pm

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RE: Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:54 pm

The original 6 they ordered in 2004 have a delivery schedule from August 2006 through to October 2007. As Manni noted, why mention 4 and what happened to the other 2? Not likely to be cancelled IMO but this could be a case a journalist quoting the wrong number.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q1/nr_050126i.html

We'll have to wait and see if any further updates occur but it might be awhile given the last order was a UFO. Would be nice to see 4 more RR 772ERs ordered but a question mark hangs over this one IMHO.

[Edit - Correction of original 6 order year to 2004 from 2006]

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RE: Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:57 pm

Considering that 2 of the 6 have already been allocated to MEL, another to JNB, that leaves only 3.

another 4 would come in handy, especially for sector to Europe such as MAD, MXP and others generating reasonable J class traffic.
 
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Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:43 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 10):

Considering that 2 of the 6 have already been allocated to MEL, another to JNB, that leaves only 3.

another 4 would come in handy, especially for sector to Europe such as MAD, MXP and others generating reasonable J class traffic.

Agreed. They really could use another 4 besides the 4 they have on order for further expansion.

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RE: Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:47 pm

Will TG be starting flights to Manchester, UK as rumoured for 2007? The 772ER would be the ideal aircraft for the flights.

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Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:49 pm

THai still has two types of long range airplanes for every mission, A345, A346 and 777-200ER's. Short Range, 777-300 and A330-300, ehat next A380 adn 748?
 
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RE: Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:02 pm

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 13):
ehat next A380 adn 748?

I think TG will go for the 748I. If they go for the A380, i'll be surprised.

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RE: Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:04 pm

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 14):
I think TG will go for the 748I. If they go for the A380, i'll be surprised.

They went for the A380 last year. Ordered 6.
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RE: Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:07 pm

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 14):
I think TG will go for the 748I. If they go for the A380, i'll be surprised.



Quoting Lumberton (Reply 15):
They went for the A380 last year. Ordered 6.


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They ordered them in 2004 IIRC. Anyway, MCOflyer surprised now? And why?
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RE: Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:09 pm

Quoting Kalakaua (Reply 8):
Forbes is reporting it.

I think a.netters have pointed out repeatedly just how bad Forbes reporting often is. I think we need a better post
 
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RE: Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:48 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 16):
They ordered them in 2004 IIRC. Anyway, MCOflyer surprised now? And why?

Manni with the utmost respect I ask that you look at when MCOflyer joined A.net for his first flight  Smile He only joined in June of this year and is learning from a period of time in which he was not a member and therefore is unaware that they had ordered the A380 already. I saw a similar instance when he mentioned JAL and the 787.

MCOflyer if you are interested in which airlines have ordered a particular model you may find the following links of some assistance;

For Airbus the following link is all their orders on one spreadsheet

http://www.airbus.com/en/corporate/orders_and_deliveries/

For Boeing the following is for year to date sales and user defined searches for previous years;

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

Not all orders are listed as it takes sometime between the announcement before the order is finalised. Another highly respected member keeps the following thread updated with all announced orders that have yet to be finalised between the airlines and OEMs.

I hope this is of some assistance sir.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 17):
just how bad Forbes reporting often is. I think we need a better post

I concur as Forbes and all other reports since the initial report all lead back to the same source. In this case we need a more accurate report or statement from the airline or Boeing. Until then we remain, to some degree,  confused  as to the accuracy of this report.

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Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:09 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 14):
I think TG will go for the 748I. If they go for the A380, i'll be surprised.

"TSUNAMI-struck Thailand has been told by the European Commission that it must buy six A380 Airbus aircraft if it wants to escape the tariffs against its fishing industry.

"While millions of Europeans are sending aid to Thailand to help its recovery, trade authorities in Brussels are demanding that Thai Airlines, its national carrier, pays £1.3 billion to buy its double-decker aircraft."

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=66782005
 
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RE: Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:33 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 18):
Manni with the utmost respect I ask that you look at when MCOflyer joined A.net for his first flight

I understand what you're saying, however with 856 posts in just 3 months I dont consider MCOflyer as a newbie.

My question to MCOflyer remains. What is so surprising about TG ordering the A380? Not only do they already operate a sizeable Airbus fleet and also operate a fleet of the largest airliner currently in service, the 744. Thailand is also one of, if not the worlds most popular holiday destination.
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Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:47 am

I would think that the A380 is more aircraft to satisfy their needs. I just hope TG uses it to destinations such as LAX where loads demand it.

I like TG and hope that its new fleet of 777's and the 380 will bring in profit.

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RE: Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:08 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
That's an interesting bit. Usually listprices are mentioned, it would be US$720 million to US$848 million for the 772ER, or US$190 to US$212 million a piece. Assuming the average of US$201 million, Thai's 772ER's seem to come with a discount of 30%.

Does anyone know what PIA paid for their 777LRs ? I believe they must have got some good discounts as the launch customer for LR model and also since they bought the test planes.

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Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:20 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 21):
I would think that the A380 is more aircraft to satisfy their needs. I just hope TG uses it to destinations such as LAX where loads demand it.

I respect your opinion too, but how can you say that when they have cut their frequency to LAX from a daily flight (via KIX or NRT) to a nonstop 350?

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Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:18 pm

TG will likely use their 6 A380s on their main BKK-LHR & FRA runs where adding frequencies is not highly probable and wouldn't surprise me if it shows up at NRT too.
 
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RE: Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:32 pm

Luchtvaartnieuws has the newsreport aswell now. The only variation is that it brings Thai Boeing fleet to 48. Thai's has 40 Boeing aircraft in their fleet, they've also 4 leased out to Nok, the additional 4 777's would bring the fleet to 48. If we exclude these 4 from Nok we would only count 44. If we then include the remaining 2 of 6 ordered at the end of 2004, we'd have 46 or 50 including the 4 of Nok. The numbers dont add up.

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RE: Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:12 pm

Just had a look at TG website, which shows the BNE will increase from 3 to 5pw, with aircraft change from B773 to B772ER...

so 12 pw MEL, 5pw BNE already confirmed.

that's 3 aircraft more or less just there...

MXP also goes to 3pw B772ER, 4pw to DME.
MXP eats up another aircraft pretty much, and DME uses it on a turnaround basis.

so that's more of less the 5 aircraft there.


AKL, JNB and ZRH get/keep A346...
1.5 for AKL, 1 for JNB and almost 2 for ZRH.
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RE: Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:19 pm

The CEO of TG said earlier this year that they would like to start services to MAN, but had been waiting until they had the right a/c for the route.

A 2 class 772ER would be ideal for this.
 
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RE: Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:55 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 27):
where are the rest going??



Quoting Pieinthesky (Reply 28):
The CEO of TG said earlier this year that they would like to start services to MAN, but had been waiting until they had the right a/c for the route.

BIAC is rumoured to be negotiating with TG aswell, according to a Belgian aviation enthousiast website. Perhaps a route BKK-BRU-MAN? MAN has been linked before with BRU by a South East Asian carrier, SQ.
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RE: Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:40 pm

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 13):
THai still has two types of long range airplanes for every mission, A345, A346 and 777-200ER's. Short Range, 777-300 and A330-300,

You forgot the 743 and 744.

Had TG gotten rid of their MD-11s?

Can someone explain the logic of their fleet, it seems as though they have a lot of overlapping a/c types. And they still seem to make money and provide excellent service...
 
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RE: Thai Airways To Buy 4 More B777-200ER

Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting Manni (Reply 29):
MAN has been linked before with BRU by a South East Asian carrier, SQ.

It has, but it's a pain, and if they want to compete with SQ they'd be better off going nonstop, as the low ex-MAN loads on the twice weekly SQ345 744 flights via ZRH testify.

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