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Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:28 pm

Do you reckon Qanttas will order the 777-200LR or the A340-500?
I think the 777-200LR because it looks better and sounds better.
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:32 pm

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Thread starter):
I think the 777-200LR because it looks better and sounds better.

If they decide to order ULR aircraft it will be 772LR but not because it looks or sounds better but because they already have a large 777 order in their books and because it offers better performance that A345.
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:32 pm

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Thread starter):
I think the 777-200LR because it looks better and sounds better.

Yes.... because 'looks better and sounds better' is what makes Airline Execs choose planes.

They will go for the 777 because it has better fuel economy and can handle a higher seat density, however, personally the A340-500 looks better.
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:40 pm

I forgot to mention it has better performence
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:41 pm

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Thread starter):
Do you reckon Qantas will order the 777-200LR or the A340-500?
I think the 777-200LR because it looks better and sounds better.

Hi AeroplaneFreak and welcome to Airliners.net.

If Qantas is to opt for an airplane to fill it's ULR routes then the B777LR should have the upper hand mainly due to it's economics and performance vs the A345.

I will not be due to looks and and sound

In regards to looks, I completely disagree with you. In my eyes the A345 is with out a doubt the best looking bird that's currently gracing our skies. Before the A345, that title belonged to the B727-200.

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[Edited 2006-09-18 11:43:16]
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:42 pm

Quoting Danny (Reply 1):
but because they already have a large 777 order in their books a

Since when??????????????

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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:45 pm

Quoting Danny (Reply 1):
because they already have a large 777 order in their books

They DO!!!! Details please.

If perchance you mean 787, so what, they also have a large A380 order on the books too.

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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:47 pm

Welcome to a.net Aeroplanefreak. Hope you enjoy the flight.

I think if QF do go for the B777s then it will order both the B773ER and B772LR. Use the B773s on routes that don't need B744 capicity which inturns frees up B744s for routes that needs it or adding extra flights to popular places. B772s for routes that don't require B773s and B744s, but require extra lift compared to what the A330s offer and open up new routes in the USA that can't be operated by B744s, like BNE or SYD-ORD, AKL-ORD etc
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:56 pm

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Thread starter):
Do you reckon Qanttas will order the 777-200LR or the A340-500?

I suspect that the newly announced A350-900R would be above the A340-500 in any ULR pecking order.
If QR decide to go-ahead with a ULR plane before the A350-900R is available, it will be the 772LR, In My Opinion  Smile.

Welcome to A-net.

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(PS - only one "t" in Qantas, before any of your countrymen come down on you  Wink )
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:59 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 7):
I think if QF do go for the B777s then it will order both the B773ER and B772LR. Use the B773s on routes that don't need B744 capicity which inturns frees up B744s for routes that needs it or adding extra flights to popular places. B772s for routes that don't require B773s and B744s, but require extra lift compared to what the A330s offer and open up new routes in the USA that can't be operated by B744s, like BNE or SYD-ORD, AKL-ORD etc

While none of us know for sure, I totally disagree with you. The only B777 QF will order is a small fleet of the ULR version, IF it can do SYD/MEL-LHR to QFs satisfaction. Otherwise, forget it. The roles you describe will be done with B787s of various marks, most probably including the 787-10 and further developments

In fact do not look for QF to order ANYTHING new for several to five years. Conversions of options/purchase rights and the ULR excepted. The have about $A18 billion of aircraft on order, financially they are stretched on their capital expenditure program.


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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:10 pm



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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:21 pm

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Thread starter):
Do you reckon Qanttas will order the 777-200LR or the A340-500?
I think the 777-200LR because it looks better and sounds better.

they won't order either. geoff dixon has already said QF are not happy with the 777-200LR, and Airbus have really stuffed things with the A380...
The order for 787s will be the next big thing for Qantas opening ULR twin jet services.

The next big orders have to be for new gen 747-8s. BA, QF, CX and others will need to soon start planning for the complete retirement of their 747-400s - QF have 30 plus in service now, with some approaching their 18th birthdays.

IMHO... the A380 will be the white elephant of the QF fleet. The 12 A380s ordered will be delivered for the capacity, but once Boeing have refined the new gen 747 you'll see a big order for these planes from QFs of the world.
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:28 pm

NEITHER!

Qantas is simply skipping a generation, and going straight to the 787.

They probably wish they hadn't rushed into buying the 787 though, as the redesigned A350 would have been a better 777-sized alternative.
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:35 pm

If Qantas need to focus on boosting profit, fending off union anger and reduce costs rather then ordering jets for routes with questionable profitability. There is no hub-buster currently avaliable which will suit Qantas. Even with the apparent weight reduction, I doubt the 772LR will be suitable enough.
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:03 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 5):
Since when??????????????

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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:14 pm

I suspect QF won't order any 777's at all but will firm up some if not all of it's 787 options, particularly when the 787-10 is on the table. I suspect that this will be QF's only ordering activity for the near term.
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:06 pm

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 15):
I suspect QF won't order any 777's at all but will firm up some if not all of it's 787 options, particularly when the 787-10 is on the table. I suspect that this will be QF's only ordering activity for the near term.

I think firming of some A380 options a la SQ is likely also.

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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:26 pm

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Thread starter):
Do you reckon Qanttas will order the 777-200LR or the A340-500?
I think the 777-200LR because it looks better and sounds better.

You sound like youve been on here all your life - welcome mate, you'll fit right in.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:04 pm

Qantas has not ordered 777, they did order a HUGE qantity of 787.
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:20 pm

Personally, I do not believe QF will order the 777 or A340

As others said, the 777LR offers better fuel consumption than the A340, and with their huge 1 billion dollar fuel bill, the a345 can be written off.

As they have already placed an order?? for the 787 and A380 to replace the 767,743 and older 744's, they wont place another order any time soon. I dont think it would be logical to order 100+ boeings and a couple of airbuss. Perhaps MX problems??

Maybe they are interested in the 748 as QF has been a long time 747 operator (since 1970's)?

Quoting Ecuatoriana707 (Reply 11):
they won't order either. geoff dixon has already said QF are not happy with the 777-200LR, and Airbus have really stuffed things with the A380...

Exactly true. I dont think they want any more from airbus. I highly doubt they are even remotly interested in the A350. Apprantly the a330's are crap according to what i have read on this site.
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:29 pm

Quoting Joffie (Reply 19):

Exactly true. I dont think they want any more from airbus. I highly doubt they are even remotly interested in the A350. Apprantly the a330's are crap according to what i have read on this site.

You are aware that Qantas have ordered 4 additional crappy A330's this year.

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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:54 pm

Quoting Joffie (Reply 19):
Apprantly the a330's are crap according to what i have read on this site.

Whoa there Joffie.

If you take everything you read on the site as Gospel...

* The A340-300 is the most inefficient aircraft in the world, ever.
* The A340-500 is easily 400% more expensive to run than the 777LR.
* The A340-600 is easily 400% more expensive to run than the 777-300ER.
* The A380-800 has a much higher CASM than the 747-8I.
* Every single airline in the world divides into three categories = 1 - Smart airlines (ie: Boeing users), 2 - Dumb airlines (ie: mixed fleet), 3 - Really Dumb airlines (ie: Airbus users)
* Engine and MX commonality is more important that anything, ever.
* "Because it looks cool" is a perfectly valid reason for buying a new plane, as long as its a Boeing.
* No airline that operates A340s has made a profit - ever, ever.
* All 777 users are extremely profitable.
* Airbus state-aid is wrong, immoral, anti-competitive, and Dangnammit, i'm not standing for it!
* Boeing state aid exists only so that it can compete with Airbus.
* No Boeing has ever been bought due to political pressures from the US Government.
* No Airbus has ever been bought without political pressures from the EU Governments.
* The 748I is successful - FACT.
* Airline CEOs come on the forums all the time and take notes from all the wonderful knowledge on here. Some decisions, such as the recent DL 777LR "buy" can be attributed soley to a-net lobbying.
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What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:56 pm

Quoting Joffie (Reply 19):

Exactly true. I dont think they want any more from airbus. I highly doubt they are even remotly interested in the A350. Apprantly the a330's are crap according to what i have read on this site.

Odd how the A330 in Cathay service is just super and so awful in QF service. Airbus must go to an awful lot of trouble to make two entirely different planes AND with the same name. Or is it possible that QF much vaunted expertise in configuring planes was the source of most of the brown material rather than the A330?

Presuming that Dixon does not wish Jetstar Int to fail miserably (like AA mark II) why has he given them such crap planes (A330) to start with?

Once QF get the 787 running and are competing with SQ presumably having a choice of 787 and 350, it will be interesting to see how the relativities look to QF.

But don't worry, by then many things will have changed in ways we don't have a clue about. It must be great being a planner!
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:11 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 22):

Odd how the A330 in Cathay service is just super and so awful in QF service. Airbus must go to an awful lot of trouble to make two entirely different planes AND with the same name. Or is it possible that QF much vaunted expertise in configuring planes was the source of most of the brown material rather than the A330?

Didnt QF specifically specify a lower load floor to their A330s, one which wouldnt take their later first class cabins?
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:17 am

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 21):
If you take everything you read on the site as Gospel...

Just brilliant but you missed an extra bit on subsidies:

* Subsidies to Airbus are free money and put in jeopardy the future of capitalism and the fate of the free world
* Subsidies to B are hard earned contributions to the furtherance of the lofty aims of mankind.

[Edited 2006-09-18 17:17:53]
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:29 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 23):
Didnt QF specifically specify a lower load floor to their A330s, one which wouldnt take their later first class cabins?

Yes indeedy, but you must see Richard that it was still Airbus's fault! It could not be the fault of QF because they are brilliant at assessing airplanes, and ipso facto in choosing the right specs. So it WAS all Airbus's fault.

Perhaps I am feeling just a tad crabby tonight having been the guest of QF042 just 24 hours ago. Would that it had been an A330 with or without a weak floor (back in cattle class it matters not). Any old 330 would have been a delight compared with the 767-338! But I have to say, the cabin service was not so bad. Of course they buy their meals out of Jkt, so having spent two weeks dodging chilli (with a modicum of skill, I have to say!) you get a menu that hits you with chili or chili. So it was lucky that anticipating just this choice, I "hit" the minestrone soup in the lounge before I boarded.

The broader point is that airlines can make a mess out of a perfectly good airliner. Just as others can make a screaming success, often out of the same basin material.
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:23 am

Quoting Koruman (Reply 12):
They probably wish they hadn't rushed into buying the 787 though, as the redesigned A350 would have been a better 777-sized alternative.



Quoting Joffie (Reply 19):
I highly doubt they are even remotly interested in the A350.

I don't believe Airbus is interested in the A350 for the same reason they never consumated a 777 order - because they're not interested in a large widebody twin because for whatever reasons, they don't fit their mission profiles.

QF never bought the 773 or 773ER, even though they still fly 743s, which the 773(ER) was designed to replace and offers significantly more efficiency. I'm guessing the A333 was the better choice over the 772A for domestic routes, which probably forced their hand to buy the A332 instead of the 772ER. And they decided to predominately use 744s for long-haul service, eschewing the 777.

So I don't really see the A359 and 787-10 suddenly being a big seller with them. Instead, A380s will be replacing the 744s and 787-8s will replace the 763s on long-haul while 787-8s and 787-9s will also be replacing the 763s and A333s for domestic use. Yes, the A358 could conceivably be used in domestic ops, as well, but it seems unlikely with QF ordering so many 787s and holding so many options.
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:29 am

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 8):

I suspect that the newly announced A350-900R would be above the A340-500 in any ULR pecking order.

You are talking about a yet to come variant of an aircraft that hasn't been designed yet? What'll be 2017+ before we see something like that?

Why don't they just order some Y3's for delivery in 2020? I'm sure that'll be an excellent airplane. They can found out silly details like specifications later, you know, when they actually design it.
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:38 am

Qantas, why did you stray from the Boeing fleet ? A330's with no where to go outside Asia. 777-200ER could fly profitably to Rome, Paris, Frankfurt and other long abandoned Cities.
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:44 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 27):
You are talking about a yet to come variant of an aircraft that hasn't been designed yet?

I keep hearing this exact phrase thrown around by folks for both the 787 family and the A350 family and it really...bugs me.  Smile

Seriously, you'd think Boeing went to airlines and showed a picture of the 7E7 and said "looks good, doesn't it?" and the airlines said "Yeah, it does. Love the shark tail. It will look great taxiing in front of our lounges at our hubs. We'll take a dozen!"

And Airbus went to 777 operators and said "Look! It's like a 777, just a bit narrower!" and those operators all went "Yeah! I love the upturned wingtips. That's what the public expects a wingtip to look like, not those raked jobs on the 772LR and 773ER! We'll take a dozen!"

No, both Boeing and Airbus offered very detailed proposals based on extensive modeling and computations. Where they had to guess, they guessed conservatively (though one may have been more conservative then the other based on history) and, in the end, they were confident enough of their final numbers to offer guarantees. And those guarantees were conservative enough so that if they missed them, it wouldn't put them or their customer upside down on the deal.

Boeing and Airbus gain nothing selling an airline a plane so bad that even with maximum compensation, that airline still loses millions every flight. No airline, buying a $200 million airliner that loses them $600 million a year, is going to forgive Boeing or Airbus because they were paid $20 million in compensation, or even $60 million for that airliner.

Boeing and Airbus may have "promised the world" when they spoke to the press, but they most certainly did not when they spoke with the customer. The customers no doubt take the guarantees into account, but I would hope and expect they also run numbers 5% worse then those guarantees. Maybe even more. And then they see how those numbers look and figure them into their decision on which model(s) to buy.
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:27 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 28):
Qantas, why did you stray from the Boeing fleet ? A330's with no where to go outside Asia. 777-200ER could fly profitably to Rome, Paris, Frankfurt and other long abandoned Cities.

QF weren't looking for an aircraft to fly Asia - Europe. The A330 does just fine on the Asian routes it was purchased for.... the 772er would have been heavier than the A330 so why purchase a heavier plane when this baby does the job?

Oh... and last time I looked QF still flew daily to Frankfurt  Smile
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:00 am

LOL.. What a way to start the thread...even better, what a first response huuh!  biggrin 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:04 am

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 21):
Whoa there Joffie.

If you take everything you read on the site as Gospel...

* The A340-300 is the most inefficient aircraft in the world, ever.
* The A340-500 is easily 400% more expensive to run than the 777LR.

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Excellent. That post should be part of the Ts and Cs for airliners.net.

Quoting Joffie (Reply 19):
the A340, and with their huge 1 billion dollar fuel bill, the a345 can be written off.

Correct. In fact, the A340-500/600 series are now officially so heavy and fuel-inefficient that light actually bends past them a la gravitational lensing. However, so long as they fly in pairs, the CASM force (mediated by particularly dense moron particles) binds them together in a form of negative entropy which actually sucks subsidy dollars directly from European taxpayers pockets as they fly overhead while simultaneously harming small children and rendering soft fluffy animals sterile.

Given their $1bn fuel bill, they can also handily be traded as carbon equities.

Lucky QR and others buy them on the strength of their good looks and sound.
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:05 am

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 21):
If you take everything you read on the site as Gospel...

Chris nice work, just what I needed tonight.

Some more to add to your list :


  • Composites parts are always lighter than metal
  • Boeing has the only technology to develop composite parts
  • Airbus never had robotic technology to build composite parts
  • Airbus is broke
  • Cathay, Qantas and Singapore airlines got free A330s in the past year because of A380 delays
  • Boeing has never been unethical gaining US DoD contracts
  • The USAF cannot buy the 330MRTT as it has fly by wire controls
  • The USAF can buy the 777 tanker because it has a control column
  • Boeing has the highest flow rate air to air refuelling capability in the world
  • Only Boeing brings innovation to the aerospace industry
  • Only GE & P&W know how to build jet engines, RR does not know how to develop fuel efficient engines using advanced alloys or composites
  • Japan has not provided any state aid to the 787 production
  • Pilots do not like flying airbus aircraft, they prefer flying with a control column between their legs for 10-18 hours and eating off their laps
  • Boeings have better takeoff and landing performance than Airbus aircraft
  • Quads are the most inefficient aircraft in the world, ever.
  • The 737NG is more advanced than the 320
  • The 737NG is vastly more economical to run than a A320
  • North American airlines only bought Airbus aircraft because they got them so cheap from Airbus.
  • No airline has ever bought A320s that previously operated 737s
  • The A350 is a warmed over A330.
  • The 748I is a totally new aircraft.
  • The 748I has more usable space than the A380 as it does not have curvature on the upper deck.
  • The 747 cockpit is spacious.
  • The 767 is more efficient than the 330.
  • The 787-3 is vastly lighter than the A300 designed close to 30 years ago
  • The 787 has bleedless engines
  • The 787 is all composite
  • The 787 is made in America
  • The 787 has all been designed by Boeing
  • The 787 has a much lower CASM than the 747-8I.
  • The 787 does not have any production delays
  • The 787 design has not changed
  • The 777 is not having production delays
  • The 777 was the first aircraft to be designed on a computer
  • The 777 has the only safe fly by wire system, it has never experienced uncommanded control inputs
  • The 777-300ER has a much lower CASM than the 747-8I.
    747s have 4 times more engine failures than 777s because they have 4 engines
  • Boeing developed CATIA
  • Bleedless engines are lighter
  • The world has unlimited titanium supplies
  • The world has limited titanium supplies, Boeing has contracts to get 95% of all future production
  • Only Americans know how to project manage, and all project management expertise and techniques comes from the USA
  • Emirates is so successful because Dubai has the cheapest aviation fuel
  • Randy writes his own blogs
  • Randy, Richard Aboulafia, and Steven Udvar-Hazy are the Holy Triniy, everything they say is fact.
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:12 am

Several years ago I was working with some QF employees on a project and the 777 was discussed. The feeling was that QF was going to buy the 777, but then they got a very good deal on the 330/380 combination and went with the 330s. The thinking was that the 777 was still in QFs future, but then the 787 was ordered, probably putting the 777 off the table - maybe until Y3.

On the 478i side, I personally believe that QF will go for some, but not a full replacement of the 744s - the 380s will eat up some of those replacements, and the 787s might eat up some more. QF will, however, have routes where the 748i will be the best option. I'd be surprised to see a 748i order in the near future, but believe they will eventually be placed.
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:18 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 33):
Cathay, Qantas and Singapore airlines got free A330s in the past year because of A380 delays

Cathay?

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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:25 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 34):
On the 478i side, I personally believe that QF will go for some, but not a full replacement of the 744s - the 380s will eat up some of those replacements, and the 787s might eat up some more. QF will, however, have routes where the 748i will be the best option. I'd be surprised to see a 748i order in the near future, but believe they will eventually be placed.

I would be very surprised unless they were to set up a cargo arm.
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:27 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 33):
Only GE & P&W know how to build jet engines, RR does not know how to develop fuel efficient engines using advanced alloys or composites

Amen Zeke.

I would tend to agree with you on this one as the new GEnx is on the cusp of advanced technology with regards to composites. After all, the 90 is the first big fan to successfully swing partial composite blades.
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:27 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 35):
Cathay?

Yep everyone gets free A330s because of A380 delays, it has nothing to do with the capability of the aircraft at all.
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:30 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 36):
I would be very surprised unless they were to set up a cargo arm.

If QF does not take any 747-8s, do you feel that they will fly A380s to all their current 747 destinations? Or do you feel it will be a mix of A380s to cities with three or more 747 daily services and two to four 787-9s to cities with one or two daily 747 services?
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:44 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 39):

QF will fly their 380s on their most money making routes for these craft.
If they opt for 747-8s, this will drive them GE's way.
Then we all know what happens to their 787 eng choice..  wink 
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 39):
If QF does not take any 747-8s, do you feel that they will fly A380s to all their current 747 destinations? Or do you feel it will be a mix of A380s to cities with three or more 747 daily services and two to four 787-9s to cities with one or two daily 747 services?

They may fly the 380s on all their 744 destinations, but still not replace all 744s with 380s. If you look at, say, SYD-LAX-SYD the 380 will probably replace at least one of the 744s, but it is doubtful that it will replace all of them. The noon flight from LAX (the one I prefer) will probably stay a 744 for now, and opens up the potential need for a 748i down the road. That might be impacted by SYD-DFW-SYD routed in the future, but I believe that QF will continue to need the 747s for some of their routes. The 748i is therefore more of a long term option in my opinion, but one I believe that they will go for.
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:02 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 39):
If QF does not take any 747-8s, do you feel that they will fly A380s to all their current 747 destinations? Or do you feel it will be a mix of A380s to cities with three or more 747 daily services and two to four 787-9s to cities with one or two daily 747 services?

I would not be surprised if they pull out of Frankfurt, Johannesburg, and New York and retain the remaining schedule with 380s. They dont have a lot of destinations.

I see Jetstar operating to many ports in Europe with 787s, and QF just going to LHR, see more ending up with Jetstar than Qantas.

Apparently no promotion has been signaled to the QF pilots ranks for the next 8 years, that to me means shrinking fleets.
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:16 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 41):
They may fly the 380s on all their 744 destinations, but still not replace all 744s with 380s. If you look at, say, SYD-LAX-SYD the 380 will probably replace at least one of the 744s, but it is doubtful that it will replace all of them.

But the 744s will have to go away, eventually. And if QF does not replace them with 748s, as Zeke believes could happen, then that means QF either has to use one A380 or two 787s unless, as he suggested above, they just stop serving the city, period.
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:57 am

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Thread starter):
I think the 777-200LR because it looks better and sounds better.

eventhough i'm a large boeing fan i have to admit the A345 looks EXTREMELY beautiful
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:42 am

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Thread starter):
Do you reckon Qanttas will order the 777-200LR or the A340-500?
I think the 777-200LR because it looks better and sounds better.

I do not reckon they will buy either of them. I honestly think that the current generation of widebodies is not ready for good ULR planes. Looking at how badly both 345 and 772LR sell definitely tells something!
One major ULR route for QF is obviously SYD-LHR and with today's published performance data, flying it both ways in a commercially viable way is not realistic, even with a 772LR which is supposed to outclass the 345.

The next generation which will be a competition between the 350 and the 787 seems to offer planes that are much more capable than a 772 or 340 in their standard configuration. Then, it is logical to think that their possible ULR derivatives will be also much more capable than a 345 or 772LR and ready to operate Oz-Europe non-stop fully loaded.

Quoting Joffie (Reply 19):
Exactly true. I dont think they want any more from airbus. I highly doubt they are even remotly interested in the A350. Apprantly the a330's are crap according to what i have read on this site.

I don't know how crap the 330s are (probably quite better than crap to be frank!), but you should not trust that piece of information too much if you read it on this forum!!!

Their "remote" interest in the 350 is another debate IMO. Especially if Airbus can offer a good ULR derivative of it... (see above)
I would be tempted to say that QF and Airbus might be working together closely to develop it, but I have no facts to prove this, so please don't consider this statement for more than it really is : a thought.
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:53 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 33):
Composites parts are always lighter than metal

Boeing has the only technology to develop composite parts

Airbus never had robotic technology to build composite parts

Airbus is broke




Wow, why so much hate?

The first bunch of these anti-Boeing one liners was kinda witty in a left-handed backhand sort of way but the 2nd bunch was just a bit over the top. I am a long time reader and I just don't see such drastic differences in the biasness between Boeing and AB supporters that you evidently do...sure I see some but it's a bit more balanced then what you showed.

Should be infer from your posting's that you AB lovers are all suffering from a HUGE WHALE JET of an inferiority complex? <-----This is a joke AKA a Funny or a very small attempt at HUMOR.

Lighten up.

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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:30 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 33):
Boeing has the only technology to develop composite parts
Assume you're talking advanced composites as Airbus (via BAe) were using composites in their A300 fins et al quite some years ago.

Quoting Zeke (Reply 33):
Boeing has never been unethical gaining US DoD contracts
Wrong! KC-767 tanker fiasco a few years back. Boeing paid US$615 million in fines and where are Condit and Stonecipher now? Not at Boeing.

Actually Zeke, looking at the rest of your comments, I've realised you really need to broaden your information sources as, at best, you're at risk of looking a little ignorant and, at worst, dogmatic and bigoted.

BTW, I don't believe QF will invest in either the 772LR or the A345. Their strategy for ULR craft is to offer more point-to-point from secondary airports like MEL, BNE, PER etc with the 787 and for key slot restricted trunk routes, the A380. I.E. They just not need a craft the size of the 772 or A345 right now.

If in the future, QF's requirement develops and changes, there may be an A350-900LR available as well as an A350-1000 as a large twin option to outperform the 773LR (should they later be looking at this category as well).

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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:38 am

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 47):
Actually Zeke, looking at the rest of your comments, I've realised you really need to broaden your information sources as, at best, you're at risk of looking a little ignorant and, at worst, dogmatic and bigoted.

I imagine both Zeke and CHRISBA777ER were being sarcastic (at least mostly so  Wink ).

Unfortunately, a lot of people aren't when they say these things.

And remember that each of those Boeing "slams" is a counter to an Airbus "slam", so alas, both companies are villified on this site...
 
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RE: Qantas 777 Or A340

Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:58 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 48):
I imagine both Zeke and CHRISBA777ER were being sarcastic (at least mostly so Wink ).

Doh! Don't I feel the E-Jit. Apologies Zeke, I read you as some ignorant white-trash red-necked hill-billy LOL, missing your sense of irony.

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