na
Posts: 9129
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 1999 3:52 am

"New" 747 For Iran Air

Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:54 am

Iran Air has finally found a way to secure a new 747, well, its new compared to the rest of the fleet, but still 24 years old, and comes from Air Universal of Jordan. Once D-ABYX with Lufthansa, Air Universal bought it in 2004 and registered it JY-AUA. Now it is reportedly flying in full Iran Air colours as EP-AUA. This information comes from skyliner-aviation.de.
 
User avatar
Qatara340
Posts: 1522
Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 2:07 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:58 am

Good news, even though Iran needs new planes. I assume its not a 747-400?
لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله
 
na
Posts: 9129
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 1999 3:52 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:00 am

Its a 1982-vintage 747-230B with GE engines. All other Iran Air 747s (the youngest is from 1979) have Pratts.
 
lazyshaun
Posts: 550
Joined: Sat May 07, 2005 5:50 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:45 am

Good for Iran Air.

I'm interested in Iranian aviation; are IR due to get anymore F100's? And are all their A300's arrived yet?

Also, as for Mahan Air, are they due to recieve any more Western a/c, and when are their Tu 204's arriving? How many were ordered?

Thanks, a lot of questions I know  Smile
I came. I saw. I conquered
 
N1120A
Posts: 26467
Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:40 pm

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:18 am

Quoting Lazyshaun (Reply 3):
are IR due to get anymore F100's?

Only if they are used.

Quoting Lazyshaun (Reply 3):
and when are their Tu 204's arriving?

I believe they already operate at least one under wet lease
Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
 
User avatar
Dalavia
Posts: 406
Joined: Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:08 pm

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:34 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
Quoting Lazyshaun (Reply 3):and when are their Tu 204's arriving?
I believe they already operate at least one under wet lease

I passed through Tehran in late July and there was a line-up of several Mahan Air Tu-204s in the tarmac at the new Imam Khomeini Airport.

All had SU- registrations, indicating they are leased from an Egyption operator (perhaps Air Cairo?).

[Edited 2006-09-19 02:36:00]
 
N1120A
Posts: 26467
Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:40 pm

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:36 am

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 5):
All had SU- registrations, indicating they are leased from an Egyption operator (perhaps Air Cairo?).

Believe so
Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
 
aussie_
Posts: 1600
Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2000 10:39 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:53 am

I understand Mahan have 2 TU204s operating (SU-EAF and EAI). I was fortunate enough to fly one of them to and from Dubai in March.

Both are leased from Air Cairo and also crewed by Air Cairo pilots.
 
A388
Posts: 7159
Joined: Mon May 21, 2001 3:48 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:11 am

Good news for Iran Air and I hope they can secure more modern aircraft such as secondhand 744 aircraft. What happened to the rumor of Iran Air getting the A333? Any truth to that looking at the closer ties Iran has with France in particular?

A388
 
FlySSC
Posts: 5179
Joined: Tue Aug 12, 2003 1:38 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:50 pm

Quoting NA (Thread starter):
Once D-ABYX with Lufthansa, Air Universal bought it in 2004 and registered it JY-AUA. Now it is reportedly flying in full Iran Air colours as EP-AUA.

I saw this aircraft several times on the tarmac at THR-Mehrabad during the past months. It was already operating flights on behalf of IR, though not in IR colors.

It was initially delivered on Feb.25th 1982 to Lufthansa, as D-ABYX.
It was then stored briefly at Marana when retired by LH in May 2003 until it was acquired by Air Universal of Jordan in March 2004 as JY-AUA.

Unfortunuately, considering the political situation, I am affraid this is the onlt kind of acquisition IR can make ...
 
Thorben
Posts: 2713
Joined: Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:29 pm

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:53 pm

With American airplanes out of the race, there might be a good chance to sell them some A346 to replace those old jumbos. Some A345 for non-stops to CCS might fit in as well.
France 1789; Eastern Germany 1989; Tunisia 2011; Egypt 2011
 
ecuatoriana707
Posts: 28
Joined: Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:36 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:10 pm

Quoting Thorben (Reply 10):
With American airplanes out of the race, there might be a good chance to sell them some A346 to replace those old jumbos. Some A345 for non-stops to CCS might fit in as well.

mmm, yes and for non-stops to Pyongyang, Havana and La Paz as well...
 
Speedbird747
Posts: 121
Joined: Sun May 23, 2004 12:33 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:18 pm

Quoting Thorben (Reply 10):
With American airplanes out of the race, there might be a good chance to sell them some A346 to replace those old jumbos. Some A345 for non-stops to CCS might fit in as well.

No way! Many Airbus parts are American made. You can't sell a new Airbus to any Iranian airline.
 
rolfen
Posts: 1539
Joined: Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:03 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:58 pm

Why dont they buy tupolevs and co. ?
rolf
 
Bobski
Posts: 80
Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:00 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:02 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
What happened to the rumor of Iran Air getting the A333? Any truth to that looking at the closer ties Iran has with France in particular?

It would explain France's sudden change of heart on imposing sanctions on Iran for its nuclear weapons programme; keeping them sweet for a possible sale of refurbished Airbus aircraft (assuming they could get past the US embargo).
Who is Benjamin Breeg?
 
cx777fan
Posts: 285
Joined: Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:22 pm

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:59 pm

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 13):
Why dont they buy tupolevs and co. ?

You beat me to it Rolfen. There are plenty of Russian built airliners flying around Iran, but my understanding is that IR use mostly, if not all F100s on domestic routes.

Do current sanctions also preclude airlines in Iran from buying Russian planes and partS?

Still, good news for IR that they have been able to add a "new" 747 to the fleet. Is it to replace one of the 100s or SPs?
 
F22KA
Posts: 76
Joined: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:34 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:01 pm

I have said it before and I am going to say it again, why would iran want to use "satan's" aircraft?
Personally, if I were that "religious", I wouldn't want to be anywhere near such "satanic" plane.
The only explanation I have is that the "satan" thing is just garbage talk and the iranians do not really believe what they say.
 
jfk777
Posts: 5822
Joined: Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:23 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:10 pm

The other day they purchased the Air France Jumbo which flew the Ayatolla Khomeni from Paris to Tehran in 1979. It how an Iranian trophy.
 
na
Posts: 9129
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 1999 3:52 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:35 pm

Quoting F22KA (Reply 16):
I have said it before and I am going to say it again, why would iran want to use "satan's" aircraft?
Personally, if I were that "religious", I wouldn't want to be anywhere near such "satanic" plane.

Thats a good one. And they should ban vars as well as almost all come from the "bad" side of the world.

But, honestly, there is a difference between the official Iran and its people. I´m sure that many Iranians would be more than happy to get rid of their medieval narrowminded government. Priests with wordly powers have almost always failed. And the fundamentalistic regimes in the muslim world make a perfect example for that.
 
md90fan
Posts: 2798
Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:15 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:46 pm

Quoting CX777Fan (Reply 15):
use mostly, if not all F100s on domestic routes.

I know they fly them to TAS and maybe also ALA/Astana in the past.
http://www.devanwells.blogspot.com/
 
cedarjet
Posts: 8101
Joined: Mon May 24, 1999 1:12 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:25 pm

I saw the Air Uni 747 on the Iranair ramp at Mehrabad a couple of weeks ago. They also have an ex Delta L1011 with Air Universal titles in the storage area. I don't think this bird will fly again. The 747 looked great, they'll get plenty of flying out of it.
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
 
irobertson
Posts: 409
Joined: Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:35 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:29 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 10):
With American airplanes out of the race, there might be a good chance to sell them some A346 to replace those old jumbos. Some A345 for non-stops to CCS might fit in as well.

If the trade sanctions don't affect working with Airbus, this would be a smart idea, I agree. Otherwise, it would be good to put pressure on Russia to get that IL-96-400 (or at least some -300s) coming off the assembly lines. New, strong, pretty efficient, cheaper... The Tu-204s are good options too. They could theoretically get them all with western engines too, though that might not be necessarily the best idea considering Iran's status in the west.
 
Thorben
Posts: 2713
Joined: Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:29 pm

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:33 am

Quoting Speedbird747 (Reply 12):
No way! Many Airbus parts are American made. You can't sell a new Airbus to any Iranian airline.

Like the lead plates on the A340-5/600??  dopey 
France 1789; Eastern Germany 1989; Tunisia 2011; Egypt 2011
 
DAYflyer
Posts: 3546
Joined: Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:35 pm

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:37 am

I always wondered if Iran Air couldn't just wet-lease everything from another gulf state and have that airline do the mx as well to circumvent the US penalties.
One Nation Under God
 
N1120A
Posts: 26467
Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:40 pm

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:38 am

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 13):
Why dont they buy tupolevs and co. ?

They have, though mostly for Iran Air Tours. Still, the Iranian government, people and Iran Air management don't trust Russian aircraft in the way they trust Western planes

Quoting Bobski (Reply 14):
Iran for its nuclear weapons programme

Iran doesn't have a weapons program

Quoting CX777Fan (Reply 15):
but my understanding is that IR use mostly, if not all F100s on domestic routes.

Incorrect. Iran Air still flies 727s, 737s and A300s pretty intensively. Further, Iran Air has shifted a lot of domestic flying to Iran Air Tours and some of the private companies.
Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
 
Curious
Posts: 213
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:07 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:27 am

This a/c is unlikely to be purchased by Iran air, it is as before flying on its behalf but now with its own colours. The Iranian Civil aviation does not permit the purchase of aircraft for Iranian airlines that are older than 12 years(rather ironically I think considering the av age of current ac there) therefore this is rather a private arrangement between the two parties or simply an extended lease.

Iran cant get new abus it has tried even orderd some but the French just took the money and no aircraft. Tu204 arent bad but Iran wants them with Western engines which it cant get and everything else Russian is no better than what is already flying in Iran.
 
F22KA
Posts: 76
Joined: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:34 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:51 am

Instead of chasing green and purple horses, the iranians should start their own aircraft production. However, watching Ahmadinejad" on TV, makes me believe that he must be the one who invented the warm water and the chariot.
 
Curious
Posts: 213
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:07 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:28 am

Well They kinda have the An140, which a piece of junk and would only meet some regional flight requirments.

But I have always wondered why they havent approaced Embraer. the E195 woulndt be bad, but I guess the F100 they have pretty much do the same job.
 
elmothehobo
Posts: 965
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:10 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:38 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 10):
With American airplanes out of the race, there might be a good chance to sell them some A346 to replace those old jumbos. Some A345 for non-stops to CCS might fit in as well.



Quoting Thorben (Reply 22):
Like the lead plates on the A340-5/600??   

I thought it was engine parts (Rolls Royce) that were made in the US. Really silly if you ask me. Iran Air tried to get A320s, but the engines were manufactured in the US or by a US engine consortium (GE/Snecma, PW/RR).
 
cedars747
Posts: 2584
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:04 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting NA (Thread starter):
"New" 747 For Iran Air

They will use it on their THR-CCS flight  Wink
Alex!!!
Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !Jeg har en lidenskap for luftfart!j'ai
 
User avatar
Qatara340
Posts: 1522
Joined: Mon May 29, 2006 2:07 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:00 am

But, why can't Iran get used A343 or used A345 (maybe whenever they become avaiable)? Even though they have American parts, the Boeing 747-200 that they just bought is ALL made in America.
لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله
 
cedarjet
Posts: 8101
Joined: Mon May 24, 1999 1:12 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:11 am

I don't know why the Russians don't get their act together, there are plenty of state-run national airlines that would prefer to buy non American, ie Venezuela (which doesn't really have an airline at the moment, but will, so there's a big fleet right there), Cuba, Iran. Iran has a big airline industry, there are more than a dozen airlines flying jets, and the traffic is there, Tehran to Mashad is like, 12.50, 13.10, 13.15, 13.40, with airlines like Caspian, Iran Aseman, Saha, Eram, Iran Air Tours etc. I don't know how many jets are flying in Iran today but it's probably 100, and with the exception of a couple of F100s and leased MD80s, every single one needs replacing (although I favour the 707s keep flying as long as possible). So Cuba, Iran and Venezuela alone is probably good for 250 planes of various sizes. The thing is, the Russian product isn't really happening, I've flown on a Mahan Tupolev 204 and it was a piece of crap, the interior was very poor, instead of proper plastic trays it's nasty fibreglass painted eggshell white, chipping away and bubbly. And a billion degrees in the cabin, for the whole two hour flight. If I was working at Iran Aseman and wanted to replace my incredibly aging ex-Air France non-ADV 727s, I wouldn't really consider the Tu204 an option.

But yeah yeah, the Air Universal 747 has been sitting on the Iranair ramp at Meherabad for a while and looks absolutely immaculate.
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
 
KATL757
Posts: 62
Joined: Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:07 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting F22KA (Reply 16):
I have said it before and I am going to say it again, why would Iran want to use "satan's" aircraft?

The US Government is referred to as Satan all the time over there. I don't think they have a beef with civilians that I am aware of.

Unless you're in Iraq of course and we know what happens to civilians there.
Wherever you go, there you are.......
 
N1120A
Posts: 26467
Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:40 pm

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 31):
I don't know why the Russians don't get their act together, there are plenty of state-run national airlines that would prefer to buy non American

The issue there is that Iran specifically has stated repeatedly a preference for Boeing aircraft specifically and has had a beef with the Russians over TU-154 crashes and their aid in a project to build commercial aircraft in Iran.
Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
 
User avatar
LTU932
Posts: 13069
Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:34 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 28):
I thought it was engine parts (Rolls Royce) that were made in the US.

Not just that. If I recall correctly, the avionics are also made in the US, don't know if it's Rockwell Collins or Honeywell.
 
cedarjet
Posts: 8101
Joined: Mon May 24, 1999 1:12 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:10 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 33):
The issue there is that Iran specifically has stated repeatedly a preference for Boeing aircraft specifically

This really makes sense. Iran may fly 707s and Russian planes but it isn't a backwards or underdeveloped country in any way, and I'm sure an airline with the engineering and quality expectations standards of Iranair & Co have no interest in the Tu204. Better to stick to the 727s, 747 classics and low-cycle 707s and wait for a diplomatic solution to the US sanctions.
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
 
N1120A
Posts: 26467
Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:40 pm

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:45 pm

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 35):
I'm sure an airline with the engineering and quality expectations standards of Iranair & Co have no interest in the Tu204.

Well, the Tu204 is a hell of a plane, probably the best one the Russians have ever build from an economics and quality standpoint, but generally that is correct.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 35):
Better to stick to the 727s, 747 classics and low-cycle 707s and wait for a diplomatic solution to the US sanctions.

Iran Air Engineering actually has the ability to fully overhaul all Boeing narrowbody aircraft pre-757. They also, obviously, have lots of 747 experience and put it to use. Hopefully in the not so distant future (read 2009-2010, when George has gone away) Iran Air will be introducing 748Is on the THR-LAX sector.
Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
 
elmothehobo
Posts: 965
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:10 am

RE: "New" 747 For Iran Air

Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:12 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
Iran Air will be introducing 748Is on the THR-LAX sector.

LOL. You must be out of your mind! They would need at LEAST an A380 for LAX-THR!