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US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:24 am

An interesting article on azcentral.com

Here's the link: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...usairways0917hitsandmissesAR0.html

Some new info on how the merger is going from the man at the top.
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:43 am

They still have alot of hurdles ahead, especially merging seniority with pilots, etc. It will only get tougher for a time from here on out.. but I believe they have the right man to do it.
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:16 am

Sounds like a bunch of old US unionized fatcats are watching what little cash is rolling in the door and trying to stake a claim on it. Does the IAM represent anyone at HP/US?
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:01 am

ramp and c.s. at old us are represented by the i.a.m. i believe the new u.s. will also be covered for ramp and c.s.
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:57 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 2):
Sounds like a bunch of old US unionized fatcats are watching what little cash is rolling in the door and trying to stake a claim on it. Does the IAM represent anyone at HP/US?

Although I would say it differently, the work groups need to be a little more patient. After all, they could be worse off.
 
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:06 am

Quoting TropicBird (Reply 4):
Although I would say it differently, the work groups need to be a little more patient. After all, they could be worse off.

I agree I'm about to join the US workforce, and I think it will be a few years before the employees can see the benifit of the merger, if there is any benifits to be had other than A JOB.

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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:22 am

Hey US Airways. Do you want to get rid of your problems? Dump the unions.
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:32 am

Quoting Freedom747 (Reply 6):
Hey US Airways. Do you want to get rid of your problems? Dump the unions.

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How would you get rid of the unions? I think it would be impossible. I guess you could "pink slip" everyone and rehire them as regular employess. Wait... this isnt General Motors...
 
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:55 am

Quoting EmSeeEye (Reply 7):
How would you get rid of the unions?

Legally? Close up operations for about 7 days and re-open as a non-union operation... but that wouldn't stop the workers from voting unions back in and wold probably cost as much in lost business in the short term as the Unions do.
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:42 am

Quote:
It ranked in the bottom half of the industry in on-time arrivals, baggage handling and complaints in July.

That's part of the crux of the problem--the merger combined two poorly operating carriers. At the end of the day, unless or until they improve the basic block and tackling of running a good operating airline, the rest of the "honeymoon" talk is irrelevant. They need someone strong to turn the operational culture of that company around....that alone would do wonders for the merger of disparate corporate cultures and go toward unifying them.

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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:03 am

From the article, Parker wants to put off the union integration as long as possible. + side: US builds it cash reserves and keeps employee costs down. - side: This is a pressure kettle building steam; the longer you put off integration, the longer the animosity between the two sides (US EAST/ HP WEST) will build. Eventually they will have to waring unions going against each other.

Better to get the integration underway this next year and get the bad feelings behind them.
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:04 am

Quoting Slider (Reply 9):
That's part of the crux of the problem--the merger combined two poorly operating carriers.

In retrospect, only US was the poorly operated airline. HP itself had been largely turned around.
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting CXB744 (Reply 10):
Better to get the integration underway this next year and get the bad feelings behind them.

I agree. You know it's coming, get it over with! This thing can still work and I think Parker needs to get back out in the trenches and sell his plan to the grunts. Don't let grumblings fester into real operational issues. He needs to step up and lead.
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:25 am

Quoting Freedom747 (Reply 6):

....yup...get rid of the unions and that'll solve all the problems 'cuz we all know management never has a GIMME, GIMME, GIMME mentality!
 
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:34 am

Quoting TommyBoy (Reply 13):
management never has a GIMME, GIMME, GIMME mentality!

Now now! Parker is doing better than some, he has a lower salary than some other CEOs but I'm not sure of the stock options. Anyway, I think the profit sharing is a great idea - 10% of pre-tax profit is fairly generous and a good "carrot" to get the best from your employees.
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:35 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 2):
Does the IAM represent anyone at HP/US?

Unfortunately, they now "represent" our West ramp.

Quoting Slider (Reply 9):
That's part of the crux of the problem--the merger combined two poorly operating carriers.

US was poorly run beforehand. HP was doing just fine. Not really getting any bigger, but not withering on the vine.

I would like to say, in response to the thread title...if this is a marriage, then we are barely past the point the paperwork has been signed. We are all still waiting for the consummation  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 15):
We are all still waiting for the consummation

Yeah, ya gotta get the bride and groom in the same room first. It would also help if they were speaking to each other, but the groom usually thinks talking is overrated, especially on the wedding night!
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:12 am

Quoting KYAir (Reply 16):
Yeah, ya gotta get the bride and groom in the same room first. It would also help if they were speaking to each other, but the groom usually thinks talking is overrated, especially on the wedding night!



Quoting HPRamper (Reply 15):
We are all still waiting for the consummation

Intersting way of putting it... I don't even think that all divisions of labor are even merged yet, as I think some of us have already stated on here. I believe I read somewhere that it could be up to another year or so before everything is finallized; set in stone...
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:13 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 15):
Unfortunately, they now "represent" our West ramp

Yikes, there goes a perfectly good airline....
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:42 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 18):
Yikes, there goes a perfectly good airline....

Good one  Wink
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:56 am

While I have made the decision not to return to US, I still have lots of old friends from my HP world. I dont envy them and this merger. Parker has a shot at making US a better airline, only time will tell. But if the old guard IAM people dont want to work things out with him then the company will be back where it was before HP came along.
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:00 pm

Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 20):
While I have made the decision not to return to US, I still have lots of old friends from my HP world. I dont envy them and this merger. Parker has a shot at making US a better airline, only time will tell. But if the old guard IAM people dont want to work things out with him then the company will be back where it was before HP came along.

I couldnt have said it better myself. Once those idiot union-rats get somethign stuck up there butts, a great company is ruined.
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:52 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 15):
Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 2):
Does the IAM represent anyone at HP/US?

Unfortunately, they now "represent" our West ramp.

   Good luck with them, they have done NOTHING for me as a member in the 6+ years I have been with UA. Oh yeah, they got me laid off twice, 3 pay cuts, and a demotion to part time. All this for 41 dollars a month. Woo Hoo! Seriously, you all made a mistake by going with them.

Well, since our views on the I.A.M. are the same, welcome to my R.U.L. list. get ready for years of agony my freind.

[Edited 2006-09-20 05:56:09]
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:20 pm

Quoting United767 (Reply 22):
Good luck with them, they have done NOTHING for me as a member in the 6+ years I have been with UA. Oh yeah, they got me laid off twice, 3 pay cuts, and a demotion to part time. All this for 41 dollars a month. Woo Hoo! Seriously, you all made a mistake by going with them.

Well, since our views on the I.A.M. are the same, welcome to my R.U.L. list. get ready for years of agony my freind.

IAM "represented" us at TWA for a while, thats where I saw FIRST HAND of how inpet they are. I swear the ONLY people supporting this union are the people who DONT want to work for a living ($27.50/hr for a f***ing janitor??)
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:34 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 23):
IAM "represented" us at TWA for a while, thats where I saw FIRST HAND of how inpet they are. I swear the ONLY people supporting this union are the people who DONT want to work for a living ($27.50/hr for a f***ing janitor??)
No wonder Eastern crashed in the short time it did after Texas Air bought it.

I could not agree with you more on this. All the IAM does is represent the lazy asses out on the ramp at UA, and every other airline. I would rather have my 40 dollars a month go to a union that is worth a damn, and fights for the descent workers out here on the ramp. Not to mention they give in to mgmt all the time.
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:09 pm

All I can say is that unions are a thing of the past in my opinion. They create a lot of controversy and make good managers look terrible. Parker has done an excellent job turning the company around. The union isn't looking at the large picture, which is the profitability of the airline.
 
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:17 pm

Quoting MLIGRBZW825 (Reply 3):
ramp and c.s. at old us are represented by the i.a.m. i believe the new u.s. will also be covered for ramp and c.s.

Ramp is IAM...customer service is IBT/CWA. The old US was CWA..HP was IBT..they joined forces to form a "new" union if you will.

Most of the disgruntled employees are in the east....they took pay cuts and I can understand why they would be upset. For us west employees...even with their paycuts..I'm making $5 an hour more than I was before! We're hardly disgruntled...actually tickled pink..lol.

Hopefully things will get better....I'm getting tired of the whining actually....like some employees said, "At least we have a job".
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:53 am

Quoting United767 (Reply 22):
Seriously, you all made a mistake by going with them.

We didn't have a choice. Under the incredibly obsolete Railway Labor Act, whatever name is kept is the union that takes full control. So US Airways = IAM.
Or that's how the IAM douchebag that came and "talked" to us put it. He didn't seem interested in anything but the IAM pension plan...something that we really aren't worried about right now.
HP employees: "Are we going to get outsourced?"
IAM guy: "Ahhhh, ummm, anyway, how about this great IAM pension plan?"

Not kidding, that's how it went on a number of subjects including outsourcing, seniority, pay scales, vacations etc.

We didn't even get a chance to vote on it. The TWU wasn't the greatest but I'd take them any day over the train wreck that is the IAM.
 
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RE: US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)

Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 27):
We didn't have a choice. Under the incredibly obsolete Railway Labor Act, whatever name is kept is the union that takes full control. So US Airways = IAM.
Or that's how the IAM douche bag that came and "talked" to us put it. He didn't seem interested in anything but the IAM pension plan...something that we really aren't worried about right now.
HP employees: "Are we going to get outsourced?"
IAM guy: "Ahhhh, ummm, anyway, how about this great IAM pension plan?"

Not kidding, that's how it went on a number of subjects including outsourcing, seniority, pay scales, vacations etc.

We didn't even get a chance to vote on it. The TWU wasn't the greatest but I'd take them any day over the train wreck that is the IAM.

Well, I believe that if enough of the workers don't like their union (majority), it can be voted out. Time to start organizing.
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