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Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:38 am

hi...!
yesterday i flew TIJ -MEX on AM... and the steward sat in front of me during take off and landing so i asked questions and she told me that the airline had just told the employees that the service to tokyo will start in one month, she said that the flight will be MEX- TIJ or LAX- tokyo and tokyo - MEX (directly)...
She also said that the route obviously will be with the 777, and that all of aeromexico's 757's will be out of the fleet shortly...!
greetings!
 
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:30 am

So a Flight attendant confirmed this.

Quoting RvA340 (Thread starter):
MEX- TIJ or LAX- tokyo and tokyo - MEX (directly)...

And where/how did they get the slots at NRT? Varig? Who? There are none available till 2009 when the runway extension is completed.
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:55 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 1):
And where/how did they get the slots at NRT? Varig? Who? There are none available till 2009 when the runway extension is completed.

Sounds like Varig. They also did LAX-NRT.
 
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:37 am

Quoting RvA340 (Thread starter):
that the service to tokyo will start in one month

If that were true the flight would already show up in all reservation systems. Maybe she's right about NRT, but not the start date.

Saludos desde Caracas,
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:43 am

All I know is that they are very committed to finalizing the slots, but whether or not they will start November is another thing. I haven't heard anything over here about an 11th month startup.
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:47 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 3):
If that were true the flight would already show up in all reservation systems. Maybe she's right about NRT, but not the start date.

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis

Just checked in Sabre, Apollo, Amadeus and Worldspan. Not there. Not in Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, etc.
 
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:11 pm

Yeah right.
The day AM shows up in NRT, is the same day EK starts service to NRT. The only new carrier that can remotely serve NRT would be JJ to replace the RG service.
 
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:24 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
Sounds like Varig. They also did LAX-NRT.

Question: Is a slot granted based on destination/origin of flight, schedule of a flight or the time in which a flight arrives/departs from an airport?

If it is time, then I would think an airline like EK would have snapped it up pretty fast. They fly NGO arrving at 5:00 and They have the money and desire to serve NRT more than NGO or KIX, which they already serve because they couldn't get NRT slots.

I guess I will just wait till an official announcement from the airline.
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:26 pm

So far, it is said, November 15th, 2006 will be the start date.

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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:34 pm

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 8):
So far, it is said, November 15th, 2006 will be the start date.

May I ask where this was said?

The "AM to Japan" threads are really starting to become a new A.net legend. Would love to see some official announcements if it is going to start so soon.
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:00 pm

Quoting RvA340 (Thread starter):
yesterday i flew TIJ -MEX on AM... and the steward sat in front of me during take off and landing so i asked questions and she told me that the airline had just told the employees that the service to tokyo will start in one month, she said that the flight will be MEX- TIJ or LAX- tokyo and tokyo - MEX (directly)...

This topic was partly discussed here: AeroMexico's CEO: GRU 10X Or GIG 3X/NRT Confirmed! (by Fyano773 Sep 6 2006 in Civil Aviation)

In a local forum here in Mexico, somebody posted that the flight would be:


  • AMX052 MEX-TIJ-NRT.
  • AMX053 NRT-TIJ-MEX.


Yes, this route is not yet in the schedules, nothing official, but where there is smoke, there is fire  Wink Perhaps the start date will be later on.
 
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:18 pm

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 8):
So far, it is said, November 15th, 2006 will be the start date.

Just enough time to not sell any seats Silly
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:21 am

Quoting RvA340 (Thread starter):
the steward sat in front of me during take off and landing so i asked questions

90% of the times FAs and pilots know rubbish about what P&A is planning ahead.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 7):
Is a slot granted based on destination/origin of flight, schedule of a flight or the time in which a flight arrives/departs from an airport?

No. You hit the nail. The slots are granted to an airline, regardless of the origin or destination of the flight.

Quoting Kanebear (Reply 5):
Just checked in Sabre, Apollo, Amadeus and Worldspan. Not there. Not in Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, etc.

Same goes for Aeromexico.com. Notwithstanding, it is interesting to note AM's website shows NRT as their only Japan destination... No NGO, KIX or anywhere else.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 9):
The "AM to Japan" threads are really starting to become a new A.net legend.

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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:12 am

Reforma newspaper reports (once more) that Andres Conesa confirmed the Mexico City - Tijuana - Tokyo Narita flight AM will start on November 16, 2006...
Lets see if this time the statement is true, but so far, nothing on GDS's

http://www.reforma.com/editoriales/negocios/689208/
 
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:18 am

what equipment will they be using?
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:43 am

ERAU no doubt the 777. The 767-200 doesn't have the legs for that flight..

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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:10 am

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 14):
what equipment will they be using?

Andres Conesa cofirmed they will used the B777 to Tokyo. The article says that AM recently closed a deal with ILFC to get a 3rd B777 ex RG. We all know it is PP-VRA and should be in Mexico in October...
 
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:08 am

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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:57 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 3):
If that were true the flight would already show up in all reservation systems. Maybe she's right about NRT, but not the start date.

I wonder if the F/A may have meant they are going to start selling the flight in a month giving them a month to decide when would be the best time of year to start, # of days, time of day and cities involved etc.
 
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:41 am

Finally a Latin American airline other then Varig with a 777 at NRT. AM's prestige has grown.
 
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:52 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 19):
AM's prestige has grown.

I agree with you JFK777. This is going to be the most important addition to their network in many years.
 
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:56 am

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 14):
what equipment will they be using?

So far AM promises to be a sole B772ER operation, other sources have told me that it will be a mix of B762/3/772ER. All types are capable to fly TIJ-NRT.

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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:04 am

It would be great news if AM does make this happen. The rumors are there, lets just hope it eventually become true. I still would love to see another Asian carrier (other than JL) send its own metal to MEX. But maybe if AM does make this happen other airlines in the Far East/Asia decide to explore Latin America more aggresively.

I can see KE (being a SkyTeam member), Cathay Pacific or China Souther/Air China in Mexico sometime in the near future.

Well at least we know AM and MX have intentions to service Asia sooner or later.
 
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:40 pm

Quoting Rojo (Reply 13):
Reforma newspaper reports (once more) that Andres Conesa confirmed the Mexico City - Tijuana - Tokyo Narita flight AM will start on November 16, 2006...
Lets see if this time the statement is true, but so far, nothing on GDS's

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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:04 pm

Quoting Rojo (Reply 13):
Reforma newspaper reports (once more) that Andres Conesa confirmed the Mexico City - Tijuana - Tokyo Narita flight AM will start on November 16, 2006...

And yet nothing in the Japanese news. Nothing on AM's website. Nothing from NRT. Nani mo nai.
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:50 pm

Talked with a guy from SEAT later today, he told me that the MEX-Japan route will begin in november, not exact date but they are going for training, also they will be trained for the new 738.

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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:55 pm

Quoting N405MX (Reply 25):
Talked with a guy from SEAT later today, he told me that the MEX-Japan route will begin in november, not exact date but they are going for training, also they will be trained for the new 738

Logan... How exactly would the ground support teams need to be trained differently for a B777 flight that flies to NRT instead of MAD?

BTW, I saw MX's N405MX A320 parked yesterday at Gate 11 @ MEX. Cheers to you, my friend.

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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:01 pm

Quoting RvA340 (Thread starter):
all of aeromexico's 757's will be out of the fleet shortly...!

Exclamation point?! Why do you think this is this good news? I know AM will retire the 757 but it doesn't mean it's a good thing. IMHO, the 757 is the perfect aircraft for service out of MEX, excellent performance for hot and high and great cargo capacity. The 738s that AM is getting will never be able to fully replace them. I think that AM and MX will regret getting rid of their 757 fleet.
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:03 am

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 26):
Cheers to you, my friend.

Thanks

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 26):
How exactly would the ground support teams need to be trained differently for a B777 flight that flies to NRT instead of MAD?

For alternates, also they will be receiving training for the probable MTY-CDG flight.

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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:56 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 24):
And yet nothing in the Japanese news. Nothing on AM's website. Nothing from NRT. Nani mo nai.

Totemo, totemo fushigina koto da !!!.... Very, very strange thing, indeed !!!

I don´t know, maybe we are just witnessing a new marketing strategy. However, I just don´t get it. This is not the way to do things, kindly allow me to say.

To me, such an expensive, complicated and risky operation would need to have been carried out very carefully. A well orchestrated awareness and promo campaign should have been in place in the various markets involved very much in advance.

Guess we will just have to wait and see what really happens.

Justin, is there anyway to check with the Japanese Ministry of Transport about this issue ?

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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:49 am

Dont believe it until it shows up in the systems. I know I wont.
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:31 am

New date! Flight is set to depart MEX on November 16th, 2006 arriving to NRT on November 18th, 2006.

Tomorrow, Baja California Norte Secreaty of Tourism will be doing some noise in Tokio.

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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:29 am

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 31):
New date! Flight is set to depart MEX on November 16th, 2006 arriving to NRT on November 18th, 2006.

What is the source?
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:47 am

So it will be NRT and not NGO??? If true, wonder how AM was able to pull this through....???
 
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:54 am

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 31):
New date! Flight is set to depart MEX on November 16th, 2006 arriving to NRT on November 18th, 2006.

That is a very long flight are tehy flying via Madrid? If a plane leaves North America on the 16th and flies non-stop across the Pacific it will arrive on the 17th in Japan.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 31):
Tomorrow, Baja California Norte Secreaty of Tourism will be doing some noise in Tokio

Tokio? The Japanese Boy Band?

You know that Tourism people are over in Japan from all over the world all the time. In fact the Ohio Tourism Bureau was in Japan just last week. Wisconsin Tourism was in Japan last year. Yet you can't fly non-stop to MKE or CLE from Japan. It is standard fare to promote tourism and trade. And since the Embassy and major travel companies are in Tokyo, they go there.

I am excited for this flight, but I am still wary of its destination...highly slot restricted NRT. Even if AM got RG's slot, it doesn't make sense. AM would get a slot to operate to NRT before EK who has wanted one for longer than AM has had 777s? Maybe politics pushed NAA to give the slot to AM, but that would probably create problems for NAA.
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:42 am

Quoting N405MX (Reply 28):
For alternates, also they will be receiving training for the probable MTY-CDG flight.

Hi, N405MX, do you have more info? MTY deserves more nonstop flights to Europe.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 34):
That is a very long flight are tehy flying via Madrid? If a plane leaves North America on the 16th and flies non-stop across the Pacific it will arrive on the 17th in Japan.

Japan's time zone is GMT+9, Tijuana is GMT-8, i. e. NRT is 17 hours ahead of TIJ. Reading the press releases, the plane will supposedly depart 11/16 close to midnight. The estimated flight time (TIJ-NRT) is at least 10h, so the arrival date would be 11/18 very early in the morning.

Fyano
 
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:02 pm

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 35):
Japan's time zone is GMT+9, Tijuana is GMT-8, i. e. NRT is 17 hours ahead of TIJ. Reading the press releases, the plane will supposedly depart 11/16 close to midnight. The estimated flight time (TIJ-NRT) is at least 10h, so the arrival date would be 11/18 very early in the morning.

Are there links to these press releases?

I trust you are quoting the press releases. But that still doesn't sound right. I mean...LAX-SIN on SQ37 is 18hrs10min long. It departs at 20:00 and arrives 2 days later at 6:10. SIN is a 7hr flight from NRT. So subtract 7hrs from the LAX-SIN flight puts you arriving only one day ahead of when you depart from LAX.

Another example
If KE16 departs LAX at 00:05 on 11/16, it arrives on 11/17 at 5:05 at ICN. The difference between ICN and NRT is less than 2 hours by plane.

Applied
Let's say it leaves at 00:00 TIJ time on November 16. When the plane leaves TIJ it is 17:00 on November 16 at NRT (or NGO). The plane flies 10 hours. That means the flight arrives at NRT around 3:00am (NRT time) the next day on November 17 which is 10:00am 11/16 in TIJ. And if that is the case, NRT will not be open when they arrive. (NRT hours 5:00~24:00)

Since NRT opens at 5:00 (JST), the plane would have to leave TIJ at 2:00 in the morning (PST) which is 19:00 (JST) on the same day. Still doesn't take 2 days.

JST= Japan Standard Time
PST= Pacific Standard Time

If I am very wrong, then I will admit it. But +2 on a schedule would not fit a transpacific flight from the west coast to Japan.
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:02 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 36):
Another example
If KE16 departs LAX at 00:05 on 11/16, it arrives on 11/17 at 5:05 at ICN. The difference between ICN and NRT is less than 2 hours by plane.

NRT & ICN are GMT+9, LAX & TIJ are GMT-8, therefore, the flight takes about 12h...

Quoting Centrair (Reply 36):
Let's say it leaves at 00:00 TIJ time on November 16. When the plane leaves TIJ it is 17:00 on November 16 at NRT (or NGO). The plane flies 10 hours. That means the flight arrives at NRT around 3:00am (NRT time) the next day on November 17 which is 10:00am 11/16 in TIJ. And if that is the case, NRT will not be open when they arrive. (NRT hours 5:00~24:00)

If the plane leaves TIJ on 11/16 @ 23:30 PST (16:30 JST+1d), the flight would be arriving NRT on 11/18 @ 04:30~05:00 JST  Wink . Excellent arrival time, convenient for early connections to the rest of Asia.

BTW, the eastbound flight, yes, takes about 10h.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 36):
Are there links to these press releases?

You could visit http://news.google.com.mx, keyword: AeroMexico and you will find several related articles (in Spanish). Don't forget to order the search by date.

Fyano
 
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:24 pm

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 37):
If the plane leaves TIJ on 11/16 @ 23:30 PST (16:30 JST+1d), the flight would be arriving NRT on 11/18 @ 04:30~05:00 JST   . Excellent arrival time, convenient for early connections to the rest of Asia.

Wow... That is just bizzare to me I have never flown a trans-pac where you miss a whole day. Weird how you can leave the same day and arrive one day later, but leave the previous day and arrive two days later.

I am looking at google mexico and reading (via translation). interesting.

Still not sure how they got a slot at NRT.
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:07 pm

from the AM website:
http://www.aeromexico.com/usa/englis...ravel/what_new/flights/narita.html

Everything there except the start date (other than "fall")...

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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:54 pm

Hello,

I was wondering if there is any FA training going on? Any FA that speak Japanese? How about food, in flight movies, bilingual signs ?

Fer
 
centrair
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:03 pm

It looks like one aircraft doing the route. It flies over, arrives in Japan the next day, then returns the same day.

TIJ-NRT
AM1052
Departs 2:00 AM
Arrives 06:45 AM
Tue & Fri.

NRT-TIJ
AM1053
Departs 2:55 PM
Arrives 08:00 AM
Wed & Sat.

At least it is an official announcement in a way.

Quoting Farmenta (Reply 40):
in flight movies,

With those hours...not needed. Everyone is sleeping.

Question: When did Varig usually arrive/depart NRT?

[Edited 2006-09-22 13:25:21]
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XA744
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:56 am

Just to kill some time, I put myself to work on the schedules all the way from GRU to NRT and roughly came up with this:

GRU dp 2200

ar 1000 + 1
MEX
dp 2130 ( possible flt )

ar 0030 + 2
TIJ
dp 0200

ar 0645 + 3
NRT
dp 1455

ar 0800 ( same day )
TIJ
dp 0930 ( just guessing here )

ar 1530
MEX
dp 2230

GRU
ar 0540 + 1

I don´t know what about you fellas, but if Aeromexico is tapping the Brazilian market with this new operation, the MEX layover seems a little bit too long, especially on the outbound flt from GRU.

As per the schedules ex MEX, well they are not that bad; they allow for connections from almost everywhere in the country. Ex TIJ it becomes a real red eye that would take pax to the extreme. Return flights also provide for good domestic Japanese connections at NRT. Arrival times at both TIJ and MEX are excellent. Any comments ?

In regards to crew rest, due to aircraft turnaround times, how is AM going to handle this at NRT?

I´ve got a lot of questions in regards to the ops of this flight. Kindly excuse me for being so darn fuzzy !!! ...   

Best regards

[Edited 2006-09-22 18:04:21]
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:17 am

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 35):
Hi, N405MX, do you have more info? MTY deserves more nonstop flights to Europe.

They want the MTY-CDG flight long ago, they expect it for october or november this year, but they´ll need more frames, also the T7 coming from MAD was supossed to have a technical stop in MTY for some apron testing here, but it didn´t came.

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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting N405MX (Reply 43):
also the T7 coming from MAD was supposed to have a technical stop in MTY for some apron testing here, but it didn't came

Has there ever been a flight with the T7 to MTY?

And I heard from a friend of mine that about 15 years ago LH used to fly to MTY. I tried to look for more information but I couldn't find anything.
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:35 am

Hey everyone, I found this on the newspaper today. Kinda scare someone to believe that they have the security to feel that they're gonna sell those tickets in just a few days.



For those that don't speak Spanish this is what it says:

"The best airline keeps expanding the presence of our country around the world. The arrival of our amazing Boeing 777s reaffirms Mexico's presence in Asia and viceversa, putting closer ancient cultures and opening an important gate of entrance to key centers in the globalized economy.

Starting NOVEMBER 16th, twice a week Mexico - Japan - Mexico. The first and ONLY non-stop flight from Latinamerica to Asia is from Aeromexico. It couldn't be another way (... no comments)."

Kinda cheesy if you ask me haha.

Cheers!

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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 45):
Hey everyone, I found this on the newspaper today

What an awful waste of space in the paper !!!

Again, so much lack of creativity, imagination and talent in our airline industry !!!

Well, these characters at AM still have to prove that their flight to Japan would take you there in less hours than JAL. JL´s MEX-NRT stopover at YVR is only 75 minutes.

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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:29 am

Quoting XA744 (Reply 46):
What an awful waste of space in the paper !!!

Again, so much lack of creativity, imagination and talent in our airline industry !!!

I know, it's like they just wanted to put something "funny" in the paper or keep up with their traditional all blue ad's that tell you nothing.
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:55 am

Quoting XA744 (Reply 46):
What an awful waste of space in the paper !!!

Again, so much lack of creativity, imagination and talent in our airline industry !!!

Well, these characters at AM still have to prove that their flight to Japan would take you there in less hours than JAL. JL´s MEX-NRT stopover at YVR is only 75 minutes.

Agree...

Bear in mind that the add does not specify where in Japan will the B777's land... it could be KIX, NGO, NRT, etc.
I wonder if they are still working the NRT slots.
 
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RE: Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November

Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:37 am

Cheesy or not, publishing this ad seems to be a point of no-return for AM. Interesting to note -as Rojo points out- there are no departure and destination cities mentioned herein, but only "Mexico" and "Japan". Interesting also, the small print below implying tickets will be for sale "soon". After this, only lack of pertinent governmental authorizations should impede the flights to start, regardless of the economic success given the fact Nov 16 is less than eight weeks away... They should start making the tickets available NOW!

Perhaps another reason no to start selling tickets could very well be landing slots are still not secured for NRT, and AM keeps NGO and KIX as back-ups.

Notwithstanding, a source of mine tells me AM is actively looking into bringing DL, MX, KE, and JL to codeshare with them on this flight. After all, AM codeshares with JL on their B744 run via YVR as AM 9311, and MX codeshares with JL via LAX, as MX 900/3844 to NRT. Doesn't sound that bad... What do you fellow a.netters think?

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