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Air France Fall Schedule To US

Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:25 am

I've noticed that AF has removed the timetable portion of their web site and now only has a reservations search. Does anyone know what the aircraft and frequencies will be this fall and winter for service to the U.S.?
 
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:43 pm

 Confused

The schedule option is still there (US and French websites), and working.
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:44 pm

Quoting Cba (Thread starter):
I've noticed that AF has removed the timetable portion of their web site and now only has a reservations search. Does anyone know what the aircraft and frequencies will be this fall and winter for service to the U.S.?

The biggest change between the upcoming Air France winter schedule and the one of the same period last year will be the withdrawal of the thrice weekly B744 services from the CDG-LAX route (which currently continue to PPT) and the introduction of the B744 on the CDG-BOS route, albeit with a frequency reduction to just once daily. Other than that, the regular schedule/frequency/equipment changes between summer and winter schedules will take place.
 
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:48 pm

So the single 744 at BOS results in a net loss of seats, as compared with years past when there would be 2x A330s or 1 A330 and 1 A340. It makes sense, and I think (if I'm not mistaken) it follows the LH model at Boston by reducing to one daily in the winter, but using a bigger aircraft.

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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:19 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 3):
So the single 744 at BOS results in a net loss of seats, as compared with years past when there would be 2x A330s or 1 A330 and 1 A340. It makes sense, and I think (if I'm not mistaken) it follows the LH model at Boston by reducing to one daily in the winter, but using a bigger aircraft.

Actually, the past couple of years didn't see twice daily flights on the CDG-BOS route for the winter, but rather 12 weekly flights, with the second service only operating 5 times weekly, but still the deployment of 7 weekly B744s represents a reduction in capacity when compared to the other years.

I don't really believe there was a strategy behind the deployment of the B744 to BOS. As it went, AF had a B744 to spare after the aircraft was taken off the CDG-LAX-PPT route, and as such the B744 ended up at BOS. It might very well be just a one season thing.
 
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:51 pm

Last winter, BOS had 2 A340s 11 times a week.

AF337 was 30-261 = 291 x4 = 1164 seats
AF321 was 30-261 = 291 x7 = 2037 seats
Total : 3201 seats per week.

The winter schedule 05-06 was for the 30-261 version though the 36-236 version showed up several times on both frequencies with no regular pattern.

This winter 06-07 as HB-IWC says is for one daily 744 in the 40-393 version (or 40-396 as they slowly add 3 seats on the upper deck).
AF337 : 40-393 = 433 x7 = 3031 per week.

The real loss of seats is the offer of business class and the choice of frequencies. I hope as well that is only for this winter.
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:57 pm

Has there been any softening of tourist demand from the U.S. to France, or v.v.? I know business travel is what it is. But it seems as though French-U.S. relations have iced up some, and I wonder whether that has led to more empty seats? Anyone know how full the AF flights are CDG-BOS and BOS-CDG?

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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:07 am

Quoting Flpuck6 (Reply 5):
The real loss of seats is the offer of business class and the choice of frequencies. I hope as well that is only for this winter.

Air France had initially 12 weekly A343s programmed for this winter, but then the CDG-LAX-PPT change came along, and so they had to do something with the B744, and as such that plane ended up on the BOS route. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it were for one season only. The drop in premium seats is very significant.
 
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:44 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 6):
Has there been any softening of tourist demand from the U.S. to France, or v.v.? I know business travel is what it is. But it seems as though French-U.S. relations have iced up some, and I wonder whether that has led to more empty seats? Anyone know how full the AF flights are CDG-BOS and BOS-CDG?

American visitors in France are increasing greatly (I think it's about +10% this year), despite the very high Euro rate. In the other way (French going to US), the decrease is important this year only because of the biometric passports isssues. First, french govt has been slow to put these new passports in place and when it was OK, the demand was too high, so the time for obtention was very long. If you don't have the appropriate passport (optical delivered before oct 2005, or biometric from oct 2005), you need to apply for a visa to the US embassy and the time for obtention was 4 to 6 months !! so with all these complications, a lot of people preferd to go elsewhere. But this is only temporary, as the biometric passports are delivered now more and more quickly.
However, this doesn't seem to have any impact on AF (as there is also a lot of connecting traffic from other countries at CDG). Their US flights are very often completely full. The load factor on US route is about 88% as far as I remember. I don't know particularly for the BOS route but every time I flew it, it was full or almost full. And as AA is withdrawing the route (which was only seasonnal for some years now), AF loads will probably improve
 
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:39 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 4):
I don't really believe there was a strategy behind the deployment of the B744 to BOS. As it went, AF had a B744 to spare after the aircraft was taken off the CDG-LAX-PPT route, and as such the B744 ended up at BOS. It might very well be just a one season thing.

The AF 747-400 programme seems to have been traded with the 777-200/777-300. Many of the ex-747-400 routes are now flown with the 777 equipment. Also, isnt Air France using the 747-400 on mainly higher tourist demand routes such as PTP, FDF, GIG and others? Such was the case with LAX gaining nearly 3 x daily 777-300 flights, versus the 2 x 747-400 flights in the past. Which on certain days was 3 x 747-400 flights in the past. Using the A340-300 makes great sense on the CVG-CDG, YYZ-CDG, LAX-PPT, CDG-BOS, CDG-SFO routes. Those routes are heavy on Y demand, and lower on the P/J cabin demand.

Anyone know if the rumor that the TN/AF relationship has chilled and that AF may re-tag Sydney from PPT?
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:10 am

Although it seems strange at first that AF would use both the A340-300 and the 772, they have done an excellent job at using different configurations to optimize revenue, by packing the 777's (both -200 and -300) with F and J seats and going light on Y, and by packing the A343 with Y seats and switching to a 2-class layout.

Regarding the A332, is that going to the 2 class camp along with the A340, or will it retain the 3 class configuration?
 
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:34 am

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 9):
Also, isnt Air France using the 747-400 on mainly higher tourist demand routes such as PTP, FDF, GIG and others

PTP and FDF were served until very recently with old 747-300 with a special configuration called COI (caraïbes/océan indien) = few J seats, plenty of Y seats and some Eco+ seats called "alize" class. These B743 have been retired this summer and replaced by brand new B773 with the same 3-class config as in the B743

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 9):
Anyone know if the rumor that the TN/AF relationship has chilled and that AF may re-tag Sydney from PPT?

AF/TN relationships are not very good since TN decided to launch PPT-JFK. AF considered this as "a declaration of war". AF/TN flights between PPT and LAX are not code-shared anymore and it's not possible anymore to earn flying blue miles on TN flights. This is one of the reason why AF add one additional weekly flight between LAX and PPT. Regarding a route PPT-SYD by AF, this seems very unlikely. This is not the shortest way to go to SYD from CDG. In addition, they would need to position an aircraft at PPT, and this will be pretty inefficient in term of cost (similar costly situation has occured in NOU when AF based an A340 there to operate the leg NOU-NRT). In addition, AF currently code-shares with Quantas on routes between SIN and Australia and it seems to work quite well.

Quoting Cba (Reply 10):
Regarding the A332, is that going to the 2 class camp along with the A340, or will it retain the 3 class configuration?

A332 have been reconfigured as 2 class aircraft (Y and J, no more P)
 
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:53 am

if AF is losing the 3x CDG-LAX-PPT service, what is the replacement strategy for getting to PPT from CDG? Tahiti is what i think what is referred to in france as a DOM (departement outre mer) which basically means overseas departement (france is divided into about 100 administrative departements). basically tahiti is as much a part of france proper as paris, marsaille, lyon, etc.

that being said, AF should have a mandate to serve its overseas departements and territories and i'm wondering what the alternative route will be to PPT. I know TN contemplated an A345 for nonstop CDG-PPT service but decided against it, probably due to the cost of the airplane and that the market is probably almost exclusively tourist and therefore less money generated in the front of the plane.

would an AF flight on a 777LR CDG-PPT be realistic, profitable and marketable?
 
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:09 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 6):
French-U.S. relations have iced up some,

They de-iced a bit with the countries working together to put an end to the Hezbollah / Israeli conflict.

Outside of that, I think that most Americans will go to France anyways because it is a nice place holiday and outside of Paris (where they have to deal with tourists all day), the people could not be nicer. When I was there in July 2005, there was no shortage of Americans.

Will AF ever go to PHX? A332 service daily, perhaps?
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:57 am

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 9):
Using the A340-300 makes great sense on the CVG-CDG, YYZ-CDG, LAX-PPT, CDG-BOS, CDG-SFO routes. Those routes are heavy on Y demand, and lower on the P/J cabin demand.

Add ORD to the mix.....I took this photo yesterday... bigthumbsup 

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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:11 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
Add ORD to the mix.....I took this photo yesterday...

Grand Photo!

Isnt ORD-CDG heavy on J class demand, seeing as that AA-UA-AF all service the route?

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 13):
Will AF ever go to PHX? A332 service daily, perhaps?

What I have found amusing is the chatter of a AF or DL service SLC-CDG!
 rotfl 

Quoting Targowski (Reply 12):
would an AF flight on a 777LR CDG-PPT be realistic, profitable and marketable?

Realistic? No
Profitable? No
Marketable? Yes

Quoting Targowski (Reply 12):
if AF is losing the 3x CDG-LAX-PPT service, what is the replacement strategy for getting to PPT from CDG?

AF is increasing LAX-PPT to 4 x weekly. AF operates LAX-CDG 2 x and 3 x daily.
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:44 am

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 9):
Also, isnt Air France using the 747-400 on mainly higher tourist demand routes such as PTP, FDF, GIG and others?

There are two different 744 configurations.
- One 40J 393Y (F-GEXA, GEXB, GISC, GISD, GISE, GISF, GITH, GITI and GITJ)
- Another with 17J 457Y (F-GITA, GITB, GITC, GITD and GITF).

GIG receives the first one (40J)

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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:45 am

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 15):
Grand Photo!

thanks..I'm going to post a better one on Airliners.net soon.. biggrin 

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 15):

Isnt ORD-CDG heavy on J class demand, seeing as that AA-UA-AF all service the route?

I'm not so sure..if it that were to be true, one would probably see AA and UA fly 777's to CDG...

Actually, I flew ORD-CDG on a B777 with UA back in 1999....so if anything, it has been a downgrade....
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:56 am

Quoting Targowski (Reply 12):
Tahiti is what i think what is referred to in france as a DOM (departement outre mer) which basically means overseas departement (france is divided into about 100 administrative departements). basically tahiti is as much a part of france proper as paris, marsaille, lyon, etc.

Actually, until recently, the status of Tahiti was a TOM (Territoire d'Outre-Mer), which is still France, but a somewhat lighter relationship than with a DOM. Unless I am mistaken, Tahiti has now a specific status, with an even higher degree of autonomy, it is now a "pays".
 
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:09 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
Actually, I flew ORD-CDG on a B777 with UA back in 1999....so if anything, it has been a downgrade....

Wasnt the IAD-CDG originally a 747?

Didnt UA operate the 727 on CDG-ATH, CDG-GVA, and CDG-TXL?
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:39 pm

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 19):
Wasnt the IAD-CDG originally a 747?

I don't have my old UA time tables any more so I couldn't give you an accurate answer... Sad

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 19):
Didnt UA operate the 727 on CDG-ATH, CDG-GVA, and CDG-TXL?

Do you mean AF? I can't recall UA flying those aforementioned routes...
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:43 pm

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 9):
The AF 747-400 programme seems to have been traded with the 777-200/777-300. Many of the ex-747-400 routes are now flown with the 777 equipment. Also, isnt Air France using the 747-400 on mainly higher tourist demand routes such as PTP, FDF, GIG and others?

The B744 is now deployed to high demand/lower premium demand routes, because the B744s have been reconfigured in a 2-class configuration. The B772ER/B773ER is AF's premium aircraft, as they are the only component of the fleet with a 3-class lay-out. So, obviously, there were the F-class demand was still existing, like in HKG, the B744 had to be replaced with the triple seven.

Quoting Cba (Reply 10):
Regarding the A332, is that going to the 2 class camp along with the A340, or will it retain the 3 class configuration?

All A332s have been reconfigured to a 2-class lay out. There are no more A332s with a 3-class configuration.

Quoting Targowski (Reply 12):
if AF is losing the 3x CDG-LAX-PPT service, what is the replacement strategy for getting to PPT from CDG?

AF will fly an A343 into LAX once weekly, which will then shuttle between LAX and PPT four days in a row before returning to CDG. CDG-PPT passengers will mostly face an aircraft change at LAX, unless they are booked on the one weekly flight which repositions the A343 to/from LAX.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 16):
There are two different 744 configurations.
- One 40J 393Y (F-GEXA, GEXB, GISC, GISD, GISE, GISF, GITH, GITI and GITJ)
- Another with 17J 457Y (F-GITA, GITB, GITC, GITD and GITF).

Actually, there is one more configuration: F-GISA and F-GISB are still flying with the old 13P 56J configuration. These aircraft are currently mostly deployed on the JNB route, but will be withdrawn from the passenger fleet to receive a cargo conversion. As such, they won't be receiving the cabin retrofit any more.

some or all of the 5 frames in 'COI' (Caribbean and Indian Ocean Configuration) might be retrofitted to the 40J/393Y configuration once 3 more B773ERs in COI configuration will join the fleet for flights to RUN. Currently, flights between ORY and FDF/PTP are already operated with these COI B77Ws.
 
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:01 pm

From an Air France press release regarding AirFrance/KLM


For the winter 2006/2007 season, the Air France KLM Group’s seat capacity will grow by 3.6% compared with winter 2005/2006, with a 3.0% increase on the long-haul network and 5.7% on the medium-haul network.

Both airlines will expand capacity to long-haul destinations, particularly to Latin America (up 9.5%) and Asia (up 6.1%). Capacity to Africa and the Middle East will be increased by 2.1%. Capacity to North America (up 0.2%) will remain stable compared with the winter 2005-2006 season, while capacity to the French Caribbean & Indian Ocean networks will be slightly reduced (down 1.9%).

On the medium-haul network, Air France is boosting capacity mainly to Eastern Europe, while the addition of the seventh connecting bank at Schiphol airport this summer will enable KLM to increase its number of frequencies.

The fleet modernization programme continues, with the arrival this winter of three Airbus A330-200s at KLM to replace their Boeing 767-300s, the phasing out of Air France’s remaining Boeing 737-500s, replaced by Airbus A318/319/320s and the continued roll-out of the new Boeing 777-300ERs on the Caribbean and Indian Ocean routes. By the end of this winter season, practically the entire Air France long-haul fleet will be equipped with the new cabin interiors.

Air France and KLM are coordinating flight times and expanding their respective schedules to provide their customers with the most attractive combined offering. Passengers now benefit from a choice of two flight times on the same day by opting to travel one way with either KLM via Amsterdam or with Air France via Paris at the most attractive fares available. Flying Blue programme members can benefit from a privileged service, earn and use Miles on all routes served by both airlines.

Focus on the Air France schedule

Long-haul schedule (2.7% increase in available seat-km)

In line with this summer, Air France has upped its capacity to the Middle East by 13.8% in available seat-km.

This winter, Djeddah will be served non-stop four times weekly by a “Dedicate” Airbus A319. The suspension of the onward segment from Cairo to Djeddah has resulted in more available seat capacity to Cairo.

There will be more frequencies to Riyadh (six weekly flights by a “Dedicate” A319). This summer’s new daily service to Amman is maintained and the three weekly flights to Damascus will be increased to four this winter.

Two-digit growth in capacity on the Latin America network, up 11.9%. There will be more flights to Sao Paulo with twelve weekly frequencies, including one flight operated with a Boeing 777-300 and a second flight five times weekly by Airbus 330-200. Thanks to the cooperation agreement signed with the Brazilian airline TAM in July 2006, Air France now serves a total of 16 destinations in Brazil.
There will be more flights to Mexico City, with twelve weekly flights instead of nine last winter, and an additional daily flight operated with our SkyTeam alliance partner, Aeromexico.
Air France is increasing its capacity to Argentina and Chile, offering a total of twelve weekly frequencies, up from last year’s ten. Flights to Santiago (five times weekly) and Buenos Aires (one daily flight) are all non-stop.

In Asia (capacity increase of 5.6%), Air France and Delta, SkyTeam partners, have coordinated their flights to India. Delta has suspended its Paris-Chennai (Madras) service, a route which Air France will be operating as of 30 October with three weekly flights by Airbus A340.
There will be more flights from Paris to Mumbai (Bombay), operated with Boeing 777-300 during the peak season between December and February, and also to Bangalore, now served daily.

Flights to Vietnam (Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City) will continue to connect in Bangkok with larger aircraft (Boeing 747-400) to cater to increased demand.

Finally, the three additional frequencies to Hong Kong and Shanghai, launched this summer, have been maintained, making a total of ten weekly flights.

In Africa, the main changes concern Johannesburg which will benefit from two additional frequencies, making a total of twelve weekly flights. There will be a fifth weekly frequency to Port Harcourt, once the airport reopens. Kenya Airways will be reopening its Paris-Nairobi route served three times weekly in partnership with Air France.

In addition to the roll-out of the new Boeing 777-300 on the Caribbean and Indian Ocean routes, there will be more flights to most destinations to cater to increased demand during the winter season: non-stop flights to and from Punta Cana and Santo Domingo will resume. Havana and Mauritius will once again be served daily and there will now be six weekly flights to the Seychelles, in cooperation with Air Seychelles, instead of the previous five.

In North America, as was the case last winter, the summer flight schedule has been reorganized to match seasonal traffic demand. There will be fewer frequencies and aircraft changes to a certain number of destinations.

On this network, the main change concerns the reorganization of services to Los Angeles and Papeete. The new flight schedule will enable Air France to offer four weekly flights to Papeete via Los Angeles, and sixteen flights instead of the previous fourteen between Paris and the Californian capital. Our code-share agreement with Air Tahiti Nui has been terminated.

The twice-daily service launched this summer between Paris and Houston will continue, with twelve weekly frequencies.

Since the beginning of September, a code-share agreement with our SkyTeam partner Northwest has enabled Air France to boost seat capacity on flights to Detroit. This winter, the Paris-CDG – Detroit route will be served with twelve weekly flights.

Medium-haul schedule (7.2% increase in available seat-km)

Growth will mainly focus on Eastern Europe in addition to the three new destinations added to the medium-haul network this summer: Katowice in Poland (three daily flights), Leipzig in Germany (two daily flights) and Yerevan in Armenia (three weekly flights) and more frequencies to Zagreb in Croatia (now served twice-daily).

There will be more flights to Dublin (seven daily flights since this summer) and Edinburgh (three daily flights). The Paris-CDG – Helsinki service has been supplemented with a fifth daily departure, in cooperation with Finnair.

In southern Europe, Air France will serve Athens four-times weekly instead of the previous three last winter. Air Europa has been operating twice-daily to Valencia and three-times daily to Malaga on a code-share basis with Air France since this summer. Portugalia operates four daily flights to Oporto.

In line with this summer, the Paris-CDG – Algiers route will be supplemented with a third daily departure. Finally, the launch this summer of a second daily flight to Tel Aviv will be continued.

On the inter-European network, the Nantes-London Gatwick and Bordeaux-Dublin flight services have been suspended.

Domestic schedule (1.4% increase in available-seat km)

The Paris-Orly - Annecy route will be supplemented with three weekly frequencies (thereby increasing the number of daily flights to four during peak periods) and the introduction of an ATR-72 seating 70 replacing the ATR-42 seating 48.

The third daily Paris-CDG-Rennes flight and the fourth daily Lyon-Rennes flight, launched this summer, will continue to operate during the winter season.

Finally, the Le Havre-Rouen-Lyon service will be suspended early January. The Le Havre-Lyon and Rouen-Lyon routes will be operated three times daily with the ATR42 with a seat capacity for 48 passengers.
 
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:35 pm

Quoting Bkkair (Reply 22):
sixteen flights instead of the previous fourteen between Paris and the Californian capital.

When did L.A. become Cali's capital? And they say American's are bad at geography!

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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:08 pm

Quoting Flpuck6 (Reply 5):
in the 40-393 version (or 40-396 as they slowly add 3 seats on the upper deck).

I have just flown 744 upper deck (a trip report will be done next week, after the return leg), and was happy with the pitch, which is something to be noted for an AF plane !

Does this 3 seat increase mean AF is already starting to reduce the pitch ?  scared 
Avoid 777 with 3-4-3 config in Y ! They are real sardine cans. (AF/KL for example)
 
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:25 pm

Quoting Bkkair (Reply 22):
Flights to Vietnam (Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City) will continue to connect in Bangkok with larger aircraft (Boeing 747-400) to cater to increased demand.

This is a commercial way of announcing that the nonstop France-Vietnam flights - thrice weekly CDG-SGN and twice CDG-HAN -, which had been operating for a couple of winters, will not return this year. Instead AF will upgrade the existing CDG-BKK-SGN/HAN flight from an A343 in summer to a B744 this winter and thereby revert to the situation it used before the start of nonstops to Vietnam. Overall, the Thailand and Vietnam markets will see a capacity decline when compared to last year, though.
 
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:03 pm

Quoting Bkkair (Reply 22):
By the end of this winter season, practically the entire Air France long-haul fleet will be equipped with the new cabin interiors

Does anybody know if the new interior will be ready on 777-200s operating to EZE in November? I am scheduled fly that route then with AF.
 
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:31 pm

Quoting Bkkair (Reply 22):
In southern Europe, Air France will serve Athens four-times weekly instead of the previous three last winter

ATH will be served by 4 DAILY flights . Not weekly.

Quoting Bkkair (Reply 22):
Delta has suspended its Paris-Chennai (Madras) service, a route which Air France will be operating as of 30 October with three weekly flights by Airbus A340.

A 5 x Weekly frequency on CDG-MAA is planned in a short term, with an ultimate DAILY service for the 2007/2008 program.

Quoting TGV (Reply 24):
Does this 3 seat increase mean AF is already starting to reduce the pitch ?

No. The 3 seats will be added on the last row, on the left, replacing a closet where Newspapers and many other things were stored when the upper deck used to be a Business class. This closet is now unused, since the U/D is Economy.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 26):
Does anybody know if the new interior will be ready on 777-200s operating to EZE in November?

 no  Not in November. B772ER with the new interior should start operate EZE on January 29th.
Only the nonstop flights to SCL (starting Oct.29) will be operated with a reconfigured B772ER.
 
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:39 pm

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 23):
When did L.A. become Cali's capital? And they say American's are bad at geography!

Come on ! you know what they mean by "Capital" !
L.A is often refered a the "California's Capital", just like Miami is often Florida's Capital and ... Sydney is Australia's !
(God ! who knows where are Sacramento, Talahassee and Canberra !  Wink )
 
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RE: Air France Fall Schedule To US

Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:43 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 27):
Not in November. B772ER with the new interior should start operate EZE on January 29th.
Only the nonstop flights to SCL (starting Oct.29) will be operated with a reconfigured B772ER.

Thank you for the info. For a 13.5 hour overnight flight, I shall have to resort to induced sleep if the seats themselves are not so comfy  

Incidently, I shall fly back from BOG on an A343. How is the interior of these?

[Edited 2006-09-22 11:45:06]
 
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:48 pm

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 29):
Thank you for the info. For a 13.5 hour overnight flight, I shall have to resort to induced sleep if the seats themselves are not so comfy

The old configuration is not all that bad, and the seat are comfortable enough. The interiors are just getting a bit long in the tooth and are in need of upgrading.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 29):
Incidently, I shall fly back from BOG on an A343. How is the interior of these?

All A343s have been reconfigured with the new seats so you should enjoy the NTC for the return flight.
 
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:04 pm

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 29):
For a 13.5 hour overnight flight, I shall have to resort to induced sleep if the seats themselves are not so comfy

Well, to tell you the truth, personnaly, though they don't recline to a "full flat" position, I think the "old" Business Class seats were much more comfortable than the new ones.

As HB-IWC said, all the A343 & A332 have been reconfigured so you will be able to compare, after your flight back from BOG.
 
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:19 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 31):
Well, to tell you the truth, personnaly, though they don't recline to a "full flat" position, I think the "old" Business Class seats were much more comfortable than the new ones.

I agree 100% with you ! I use frequently the new J seats on the A343 and I just cannot find a comfortable sleeping position, I always feel that I am sliding off the seat. But, I do like the fact that the new seats are in a sort of "shell", making a more separate space, compared with the old lay-out.
 
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:12 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 28):
Come on ! you know what they mean by "Capital" !
L.A is often refered a the "California's Capital", just like Miami is often Florida's Capital and ... Sydney is Australia's !
(God ! who knows where are Sacramento, Talahassee and Canberra ! )

Not to enter a war here. However, one is placing Canberra, alongside Tallahassee? Canberra, is a World class city. Tallahassee is know for? In addition Sacramento is nearing what 3 million residents in and around the county? Lastly, Sacramento must be somewhere on the map since they have AA, HP/US, HA, AQ, AS, QX, MX, WN, B6, UA, DL, NW, F9 on a daily basis. Sydney is referred to as the capitol of Australia by many because there would seem to be a sever lack of education.. Joking of course..  wink 
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:28 pm

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 33):
Canberra, is a World class city.

Have you been there?!
 
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:29 pm

Quoting Flpuck6 (Reply 5):
or 40-396 as they slowly add 3 seats on the upper deck).

I flew the upper deck in last Nov but where will they put those extra 3 seats? I could not find add space up there?
 
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Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:31 pm

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 35):
I flew the upper deck in last Nov but where will they put those extra 3 seats? I could not find add space up there?

See my reply #27 :

This new row will be 69A/B/C (69JKL already exists).
Last row on the left at the U/D, against the stairs.
At the moment, there is a large space behind row 68ABC and a closet where pillows, blankets, newspapers were stored.
This closet will be removed, as it is not used anymore.

 
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:56 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 36):

Ahh ok, yes I remeber now that there was some space in the rear.

Thank you!
 
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:57 am

can anyone advise if CDG-EWR is still using A343 or will B777 be introduced?
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:31 am

Quoting Warren747sp (Reply 38):
can anyone advise if CDG-EWR is still using A343 or will B777 be introduced?

No more A343 on CDG-EWR next winter ... but no B777 either.
The Daily AF018/AF019 CDG-EWR-CDG will be operated by an A332.
 
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:19 am

To.FlySSC
thanks still have to go to JFK for 777 service.
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:23 am

To.FlySSC
thanks still have to go to JFK for 777 service.
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Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:53 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 27):
No. The 3 seats will be added on the last row, on the left, replacing a closet where Newspapers and many other things were stored when the upper deck used to be a Business class. This closet is now unused, since the U/D is Economy.

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I had noticed the space, but not the unused closet. Just made CCS-CDG-CCS on the U/D and I have to say the pitch increase is really noticeable. I will post a trip report in the coming days. The only problem is that it is a 3-0-3 config, which is obviously included in my disliked 3-X-3 configs.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 31):
Well, to tell you the truth, personnaly, though they don't recline to a "full flat" position, I think the "old" Business Class seats were much more comfortable than the new ones.

100 % agree. The best night I had in J on an AF 343 was with the intermediate config used during some time: increased pitch but still the old seats.
Avoid 777 with 3-4-3 config in Y ! They are real sardine cans. (AF/KL for example)
 
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Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:27 pm

Quoting TGV (Reply 42):
100 % agree. The best night I had in J on an AF 343 was with the intermediate config used during some time: increased pitch but still the old seats.

Same here. This was a great configuration for sleeping.