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Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:43 am

Hi Guys, I just have finished reading an article about Sabiha Gökcen Airport
in Turkey. The Mag called Airliner World says that there is yet an undisclosed major US Airline, that will start service to SAW next Year.
It makes me wonder which Airline that could be.

American out of JFK? But I doubt it.

United makes no sense since TK is joining Star.

Delta already flys to IST

NWA forget it

Continental it would make sense to me.

What do you think?

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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of

Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:06 pm

Out of the big 6, CO would really be the only realistic possibilty, though seeing as SAW is too far for a 757 and hence would require a 762ER, I doubt it. Of course, one could also wonder what Airliner World considers a "Major US Airline", being that airlines like B6, FL, WN or ATA are majors as well, financial-definition-wise, with only ATA being the only somewhat realistic option, and even that appears far out.
 
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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:17 pm

There was a thread here few weeks ago on this. It just seems to good to be true, and highly unlikely for now. As far as I can remember the reasons:
-not to many connections internationally out of SAW
-most likely CO, but have to wait till 787s.
-US-Turkey is well served with TK 8xweekly JFK, 4Xweekly ORD, and DL non-stops, and TK's plans for another US and a Canadian point.

On the other hand, I will be one of the first ones to use the service.
 
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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:51 pm

i d vote for CO as well.
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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:05 pm

Quote:
-most likely CO, but have to wait till 787s.

Continental probably has a long list of possible B787 destinations before this one.

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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:16 pm

This was mentioned here before, and I suspected CO from EWR since the Turkish community around is huge and the increasing constant business pax between IST and NYC.
I just can't get myself to believe the SAW part of the story, if a major like CO is going to serve Istanbul, then I'm thinking the airport of choice will be IST.

Quoting TokyoNarita (Reply 4):
Continental probably has a long list of possible B787 destinations before this one.

Have you seen the loads, yields, and the cargo revenue DL is enjoying on this route? You'd be surprised.
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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:57 pm

Oh heck its probably MesaAir running CR900 from CLT. Will believe it when someone announces it.

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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:53 am

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 5):
and I suspected CO from EWR since the Turkish community around is huge and the increasing constant business pax between IST and NYC.

You could say the same thing about an LAX flight. That doesn't mean its going to happen.
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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of

Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:58 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
You could say the same thing about an LAX flight. That doesn't mean its going to happen.

Not quite since LAX-IST is a thinner route when compared with NYC-IST. LAX-IST and NYC-IST routes are much different. Plus given CO's EWR presence and their extensive Intl ops there, it makes CO from EWR a better guess.
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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:28 am

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 8):
Not quite since LAX-IST is a thinner route when compared with NYC-IST. LAX-IST and NYC-IST routes are much different.

LAX has to rely on O&D while NYC has connections, but the connection possibilities in Turkey from LAX could well drive a route.
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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:42 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
but the connection possibilities in Turkey from LAX could well drive a route.

But then again, there is the equipment problem.
 
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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:25 pm

SAW hasn't got the facilities for operating a flight to the US. And it wouldn't make any sense to me because the major airport in Istanbul is IST with a lot of possibilities for domestic connecting traffic.
 
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:54 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 11):
SAW hasn't got the facilities for operating a flight to the US. And it wouldn't make any sense to me because the major airport in Istanbul is IST with a lot of possibilities for domestic connecting traffic.

With the number of domestic flights at SAW growing, the reduced connecting oppurtunities aren't such an issue now
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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:22 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 12):
With the number of domestic flights at SAW growing, the reduced connecting oppurtunities aren't such an issue now

They are still nowhere near the opportunities IST offers, and likely won't be for the foreseeable future.
 
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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:45 pm

Could it me US Airways?

They have the 757's in place on routes to Western Europe and has free up some of the 767-200's.
 
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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:46 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 10):
But then again, there is the equipment problem.

Their A340s should be able to fly the route.
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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 14):
Could it me US Airways?

I was thinking that too, but would say no since US doesn't fly into SAW. If they did, then i'd yes.

My vote goes to CO.

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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:52 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 14):
They have the 757's in place on routes to Western Europe and has free up some of the 767-200's.

762, do they have the range?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
Their A340s should be able to fly the route.

I am not that technically savvy, but many here say that the A340 have to take a huge weight restriction especially flying westward.
Also I don't know about the runway length at SAW, knowing A340s takes the whole length of the runway to get airborne.
 
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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:16 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 17):
762, do they have the range?

Theoretically yes, but I am not sure of the MTOW of the US models, which are some of the earlier examples of the 762ER

Quoting TK787 (Reply 17):
I am not that technically savvy, but many here say that the A340 have to take a huge weight restriction especially flying westward.
Also I don't know about the runway length at SAW, knowing A340s takes the whole length of the runway to get airborne.

Actually, SAW and Ataturk have the same runway length, which is slightly short at 3000m. I did notice that TK's A343s are all non-X models, which explains their short range.
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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:04 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
Theoretically yes, but I am not sure of the MTOW of the US models, which are some of the earlier examples of the 762ER

US Airways 762's would be able to operate the route without any issues...

The route between SAW-PHL is about 5100miles and 762ER has a range on 6500miles, and leaves plenty room for winds and margin for errors. I think this would be a great for US Airways and would open up a new market...
 
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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:10 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 19):
I think this would be a great for US Airways and would open up a new market...

If US Airways was to consider Istanbul, it certainly would not be SAW especially now with THY joining Star. They would want to be over at Istanbul Ataturk to benefit from connectivity with TK.
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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 19):
US Airways 762's would be able to operate the route without any issues...

The route between SAW-PHL is about 5100miles and 762ER has a range on 6500miles, and leaves plenty room for winds and margin for errors.

You didn't read the post, did you? First, the 762ER's maximum still air range at full MTOW is 6600 Nautical Miles, while SAW-PHL is 4460 Nautical Miles (check your measurements). That means that a fully spec'ed 762ER would have no problem with the route. The problem lies in that there are not actually very many fully spec'ed 762ERs flying around. Continental and El Al certainly fly them, but most of the aircraft flying are of significantly lower MTOW, particularly the older ones. USAirways' aircraft are ex-Piedmont and the follow on from that order, and the newest one is 13 years old. I don't know what gross weight they fly around at, but there is a strong possibility they don't have the range to do the route without taking restrictions.
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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:18 am

Did the article specify if it was a passenger carrier ? If not maybe FedEx or UPS ?
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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:57 pm

The airline is CA Air and I am the chief pilot. We will be flying on my EMB-120ERs. Just wait until I get out of ground school  Smile

Seriously though, why would anyone fly in SAW in their right mind? It's terribly full with not enough police to staff the passport control. In addition, there are hardly any connections , unless they are going to codeshare with Pegasus. If that happens then Ali Sabanci will serve them hot dog for $5.  Smile
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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:24 pm

Quoting Bahadir (Reply 23):

Seriously though, why would anyone fly in SAW in their right mind? It's terribly full with not enough police to staff the passport control. In addition, there are hardly any connections , unless they are going to codeshare with Pegasus.

I don't think the point of flying into SAW is connections, Baha. The Euro LCCs seem to have taken a liking to the place.
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RE: Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07

Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:42 pm

Just throwing this out there to stir up the pot...but who says the service has to be non-stop? Doesn't Germany have one of the largest Turkish ex-pat communities in the world...? Possibly a one-stop through a smaller German city?

...stranger have happened.

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