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Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:51 pm

Source: Mingpao Daily, Hong Kong

Oasis Hong Kong launched its online ticket sales two weeks ago, and claimed has sold over 10,000 ticket so far through the internet. (that's very impressive)

B-LFA testflight is under going, they are hoping that the flying permit will be granded sometime next week.

BA reduced it's HKG-LHR flight to HKD$4500 return, plus a free one way ticket to any BA european destination city from LHR.
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:26 pm

Yeah, all the $1000 sgl tix have gone, the remaining seats are being sold at prices on par with Cathay, Virgin and The Airline. Oasis is not a low cost airline but a lowER cost airline. This sort of pricing structure works in Europe and America but people here are far smarter with their wallets. Thay have had all the fanfare launching their gimmicky $1k price. Nice they have sold those seats out like hot cakes but now they'll have to do better to fill the other 90% of the aircraft.
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:49 pm

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 1):

disagree, as i heard from my buddy who works for the booking dept of Oasis, flights for the first 3 weeks is already 70% full both Y and J
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:11 pm

70% for the 1st three weeks, thats rather good!
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:58 am

Quoting N754PR (Reply 3):
70% for the 1st three weeks, thats rather good!

It's good if based on the load factor but there's any other factor is called "profitable".

Even 100% load factor is doesn't mean the flight is profitable, time will tell how's Oasis idea is work or not.

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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:05 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 1):
Yeah, all the $1000 sgl tix have gone, the remaining seats are being sold at prices on par with Cathay, Virgin and The Airline. Oasis is not a low cost airline but a lowER cost airline. This sort of pricing structure works in Europe and America but people here are far smarter with their wallets. Thay have had all the fanfare launching their gimmicky $1k price. Nice they have sold those seats out like hot cakes but now they'll have to do better to fill the other 90% of the aircraft.

Thats how low cost carriers work... In simple terms... Oasis might figure they can sell 75% of the aircraft at full fare. Rather than let the other 25% of the seats fly empty... they then target the remaining seats at the low fare.

Only they sell the 25% cheaper tickets first and THEN start to bump up the price... Its business and I think they've found a niche in the market...
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:42 am

As most people know I am not from London and I am at least 380 miles away from London. So I decided to give Oasis Hongkong an e-mail asking if they will they will be codesharing with other airlines. I thought they would reply like Ryanair as Oasis Hongkong calls itself a low cost airline.

''Ryanair is strictly a ’point-to-point’ airline. We therefore do not offer, and cannot facilitate, the transfer of passengers or their baggage to other flights, whether operated by Ryanair or other carriers.You should therefore not book onward flights with Ryanair or indeed with any other air or surface carrier.

Ryanair accepts no responsibility for making connections and therefore will not be liable for any losses or expenses arising out of any failure to achieve a planned connection.

I checked my e-mail today and Oasis Hongkong did reply to my question  Smile

Quote:
Thank you for your email.''

Currently we do not have any codeshare agreements. However, this is
definitely something we will be looking at in the future.

Yours sincerely
Patrick Ling
Oasis Hong Kong Airlines

Way to go Oasis!

Can't wait until they have codeshare agreements with other airlines!

I hope they have codeshare with other airlines by sometime in 2007 or if possible in the coming weeks or months.

Another good news from Oasis Hongkong!

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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:52 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 1):
Yeah, all the $1000 sgl tix have gone, the remaining seats are being sold at prices on par with Cathay, Virgin and The Airline. Oasis is not a low cost airline but a lowER cost airline. This sort of pricing structure works in Europe and America but people here are far smarter with their wallets. Thay have had all the fanfare launching their gimmicky $1k price. Nice they have sold those seats out like hot cakes but now they'll have to do better to fill the other 90% of the aircraft.

I have to agree with the above. The thing is now that the cheaper seats are gone, consumers will shop around and tend to be loyal with there favorite airline and to earn FF miles.
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:27 am

I don't want to be a party-pooper here, but Oasis Hong Kong have entered a tough marketplace getting tougher. Not only is there BA, CX and VS, but also flights from Aus/NZ, for instance NZ's new AKL-HKG-LHR service. With BA and CX in the same alliance, it would be difficult for Oasis to capture the really golden J and F customers who are used the flexibility offered by BA and CX (I think they've got three daily roundtrips each, right?..). Also, LON-HKG is probably a route where earned FF points far exceed the redeemed ones, and Oasis - although maybe HKG origin focused - will not be able to offer redemptions to exotic places in the Caribbean etc.

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 6):
Thank you for your email.''

Currently we do not have any codeshare agreements. However, this is
definitely something we will be looking at in the future.


Way to go Oasis!

Can't wait until they have codeshare agreements with other airlines!
.

Well, code-shares and low(er)-cost operations have yet to go hand in hand.. don't think they should write code-shares (or interlines) off completely, but they should choose their partners very wisely, and not spent tons of resources on getting together codeshare and prorate agreements that feed three Q pax for each flight.

But it's always a joy to see a new airline on the scene of course!! Good luck Oasis!

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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:02 am

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 8):
it would be difficult for Oasis to capture the really golden J and F customers who are used the flexibility offered by BA and CX (I think they've got three daily roundtrips each, right?..).

oneworld have the follwing flights from LHR to HKG:

12:20 LHR 07:15 HKG QF 0030 744
12:45 LHR 07:25 HKG CX 0252 744
18:20 LHR 13:10 HKG CX 0250 744
18:25 LHR 13:15 HKG BA 0025 747
19:50 LHR 15:05 HKG CX 0256 346
21:15 LHR 16:05 HKG BA 0031 747
22:15 LHR 17:05 HKG BA 0027 747
22:35 LHR 17:50 HKG CX 0254 343

On top of this, you have VS and NZ offering daily flights each, with VS increasing their service to double daily in the near future. I think competition will be fierce for Oasis Hong Kong, but if its cost base is low enough, it could do well.
 
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:04 am

VS cancelled their 2nd daily flight. Its gone from the system and people booked on it have been moved to the other flight.
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:00 am

Quoting N754PR (Reply 10):
VS cancelled their 2nd daily flight. Its gone from the system and people booked on it have been moved to the other flight.

Any particular reason?
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:18 am

I'm just waiting for Oasis to announce more routes. Or I should say, launch more routes.
 
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:03 pm

Dont know why VS cancelled... but thats what I've seen in this forum.
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:24 pm

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 8):
I don't want to be a party-pooper here, but Oasis Hong Kong have entered a tough marketplace getting tougher.

It's my belief that the connection carriers will see the market get tougher, and that Oasis will draw mainly from that pool. Why connect in DXB, AUH, BKK, SIN, ICN, etc. at a higher price when you can fly a 747 non-stop?

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 8):
With BA and CX in the same alliance, it would be difficult for Oasis to capture the really golden J and F customers

It's not apparent that those are the passengers Oasis is targeting, and I highly doubt you'll see many of those flyers switch. Their business class fares are priced for those who would probably be flying in premium economy or highly-discounted business class. That's also reflected in the cabin setup. You don't see lie-flat sleeper seats in their business class.

To assume that Oasis will be going head-to-head with the large network carriers product-for-product may be in error.
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:28 pm

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 9):
oneworld have the follwing flights from LHR to HKG:

12:20 LHR 07:15 HKG QF 0030 744
12:45 LHR 07:25 HKG CX 0252 744
18:20 LHR 13:10 HKG CX 0250 744
18:25 LHR 13:15 HKG BA 0025 747
19:50 LHR 15:05 HKG CX 0256 346
21:15 LHR 16:05 HKG BA 0031 747
22:15 LHR 17:05 HKG BA 0027 747
22:35 LHR 17:50 HKG CX 0254 343

On top of this, you have VS and NZ offering daily flights each, with VS increasing their service to double daily in the near future. I think competition will be fierce for Oasis Hong Kong, but if its cost base is low enough, it could do well.

Thank you! Forgot about QF... even though VS have cancelled their 2nd roundtrip (maybe because of Oasis??), there is still a lot of competition.

Don't really know how low their cost base can be compared to BA, CX etc.; flying long-haul dilutes many traditional LCC advantages, and Oasis - as far as I know - is not going to be a Ryanair-747. I think they're in for a tough one.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 14):
It's my belief that the connection carriers will see the market get tougher, and that Oasis will draw mainly from that pool. Why connect in DXB, AUH, BKK, SIN, ICN, etc. at a higher price when you can fly a 747 non-stop?

Agree that they will try to take a lot from that pool, and I agree that nonstop with Oasis is preferred to onestop with e.g. EK. However, what is the traditional response by 6th freedom carriers when someone starts a nonstop service? Beating them on the fares. With EK, QR and EY having bought enough widebodies to accomodate half the worlds population simultaneously, I think Oasis could be in for a tough battle for the price-sensitive travellers.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 14):
To assume that Oasis will be going head-to-head with the large network carriers product-for-product may be in error.

Well, I agree that the service concepts are different etc., but it's not black-and-white, that is, no competition between Oasis and the others OR head-to-head. History has not been kind to low-cost long-haul ops; the "big ones" have always fighted back seriously, and more than often won (though maybe using dirty tricks, however, sadly these are difficult tu put up with...)

Anybody got the abbreviation for Oasis by the way???

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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:40 pm

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 15):
Anybody got the abbreviation for Oasis by the way???

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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:11 pm

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 15):
History has not been kind to low-cost long-haul ops; the "big ones" have always fighted back seriously, and more than often won

Okay, let's talk apples to apples. Name the low-cost long-haul airlines that have failed. I can think of one off-hand, Laker. How many can you list?
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:17 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 17):

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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:27 pm

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 18):
Citybird

Okay, I found an old thread on Citybird. Sounds like they were a disaster from day one.
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:28 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 17):
Okay, let's talk apples to apples. Name the low-cost long-haul airlines that have failed. I can think of one off-hand, Laker. How many can you list?

Off the top of my head:

Tower Air

PeopleExpress should never have entered long-haul

Canada 3000 shouldn't have either

SWE FLY

I'm sure there are more

Also, basically there aren't nearly as many market opportunities in longhaul VS shorthaul markets; mainly because long-haul competition many times is fierce enough between the legacy airlines.

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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:39 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 14):
Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 8):
I don't want to be a party-pooper here, but Oasis Hong Kong have entered a tough marketplace getting tougher.

It's my belief that the connection carriers will see the market get tougher, and that Oasis will draw mainly from that pool. Why connect in DXB, AUH, BKK, SIN, ICN, etc. at a higher price when you can fly a 747 non-stop?

And this is exactly a key market that Oasis is targetting.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 14):
Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 8):
With BA and CX in the same alliance, it would be difficult for Oasis to capture the really golden J and F customers

It's not apparent that those are the passengers Oasis is targeting, and I highly doubt you'll see many of those flyers switch. Their business class fares are priced for those who would probably be flying in premium economy or highly-discounted business class. That's also reflected in the cabin setup. You don't see lie-flat sleeper seats in their business class.

 checkmark  Exactly right. They know damn well they're not going to pick up BA and CX's golden passengers. But they do believe there is a market for cost concious travellers on the route - ones who simply don't collect FF miles, of whcih there are rather more in the world than some people seem to think. There is a large potential market in the Pearl River Delta that they are chasing too. With increased Chinese travel, and the huge market in language students to the UK, they may well find themselves a good little niche there. They are also doing some smart work with HongKong travel agents, for which CX is unlikely to respond (or at least i'd be surprised).

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 6):
So I decided to give Oasis Hongkong an e-mail asking if they will they will be codesharing with other airlines.

While not codesharing in the full sense, they are looking for some smaller agrements with a few LCCs, and flying to LGW and later CGN and OAK they envisage being able to offer some connections (short of a full interline or codeshare deal) with a couple of LCCs. Another they are looking at is to do the dsame to the Philippines from HongKong, especially as there are no direct flight between the UK and the Philippines.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 17):
Name the low-cost long-haul airlines that have failed. I can think of one off-hand, Laker. How many can you list?

Would Tower Air be another? - or were they actually full service.

Oasis have put together a sound business idea from what I've seen and heard. Whether they will be able to make it a success, only time will tell. They know there is a risk going up against the big boys, but one of those of course is Virgin Atlantic, and they are fully aware of how they started out and where they got to today  Smile
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:40 pm

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 20):
Tower Air

PeopleExpress should never have entered long-haul

Canada 3000 shouldn't have either

SWE FLY

Okay, great list, but of the airlines I'm familiar with, Tower and PeoplExpress, neither can be directly related to Oasis. How many high-volume high-profile routes did those airlines fly? I know PE flew EWR-LGW as one, for example. (I'm not trying to be a pain in the butt about this, but I'd like to see if Oasis is merely repeating history, or if they are indeed something completely new and different.)

Also, PeoplExpress never "failed". It was bought out by Continental, who now operates their very successful EWR hub as a result of that purchase.
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:44 pm

Quoting Cornish (Reply 21):
There is a large potential market in the Pearl River Delta that they are chasing too. With increased Chinese travel, and the huge market in language students to the UK, they may well find themselves a good little niche there.

Didn't I read somewhere that the dynamics of their potential pool of UK-based flyers somewhat different as well, flying out of Gatwick vs. Heathrow? I think that was in one of the past threads about Oasis.
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:48 pm

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 20):
Canada 3000 shouldn't have either

I beg to differ on that. They only started to run into trouble when they started expanding their domestic flights after acquiring Royal and CanJet. The 340 flight to India would have probably been succesful if they hadn't waited so long.

Here's hoping that Oasis does get codeshares set up...I would be very interested in flying them soon. LGW is a pain to get to on the train from Manchester...a codeshare with Jet2 perhaps would be fantastic.
 
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:49 pm

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 18):
Citybird

Well citybird is a poor example really. They weren't really driven off the market due to the strength of competition - BRU has always been a weak transtlantic market. And Sabena collapsing hardly suggest the competition was any better.

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 20):
Canada 3000 shouldn't have either

But Zoom, Air Transat etc have been ok so far.

Canada 3000 expanded at completely the wrong time, and again Canada has never been a strong aviation long haul market. That's why it is down to only real major long haul carrier now, just like Australia.

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 20):
SWE FLY

again not a market with big prospects.


GB-HKG is a very different kettle of fish - plus the nearby mainland chinese population (remember there is Guangzhou-LON flights yet).

Also flying to LGW is a smart move. All other flights go to LHR, and there is a decent catchment area in south london and the south coast that would LGW direct flights would appeal to. CAA data suggests many of those are currently flying EK via DXB at present. Just the market Oasis wants some of.

But perhaps the important thing of all, is that Oasis doesn't see itself pinching passengers from BA,CX and VS but instead actually growing the overall market. Something that is certainly a common case in Europe with LCCs on many markets.
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:51 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 23):
Didn't I read somewhere that the dynamics of their potential pool of UK-based flyers somewhat different as well, flying out of Gatwick vs. Heathrow? I think that was in one of the past threads about Oasis.

yep - as i've just answered in the post above  Smile
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:01 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 17):
Name the low-cost long-haul airlines that have failed. I can think of one off-hand, Laker.

It is debatable whether or not Laker (the 'Skytrain' Laker) failed. True they had a severe cash crisis that led to the banks calling in a Receiver to liquidate the airline, but it is possible that Laker might have survived if McDonnell Douglas had invested in the airline. The collapse of Laker was more attributed to a conspiracy by the major airlines (PanAm, TWA, BA, BCal and others) than failure of the airline. Besides, Laker received an out-of-Court settlement whereby all Laker creditors were paid in full and he received a personal settlement rumoured to be in excess of £6 million. Failure? I do not think so!

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 17):
Name the low-cost long-haul airlines that have failed

Highland Express immediately comes to mind.

Whilst I would not wish a new venture to fail, and I am sure that they have done their homework, personally I am sceptical about Oasis Hong Kong's chances of success. I think we might see a repeat of the Laker Conspiracy with CX, BA, QF, AZ and VS reducing some of their fares to match or beat Oasis Hong Kong's fares. As CX, BA and others offer multiple frequencies, an established product, secure financial backing plus back up aircraft if any might go tech, Oasis will need to have some other clear advantages.
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:12 am

Quoting BCAL (Reply 27):
Failure? I do not think so!

Excellent summary on Laker, thank you.

Quoting BCAL (Reply 27):
As CX, BA and others offer multiple frequencies, an established product, secure financial backing plus back up aircraft if any might go tech, Oasis will need to have some other clear advantages.

As has been pointed out before, Oasis isn't necessarily going after the CX/BA flyers, but growing the market and siphoning off of connection carriers. It will be interesting to see how they respond to other challenges in the market.
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RE: Goodnews From Oasis Hong Kong.

Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:17 am

OK OK..... I know that SWE FLY and Tower Air might not be the best airlines to compare Oasis to. Also, others were in different contexts as well, especially Canada 3000, I am aware of this, and next time I'll come up with some better ones...!  Smile

Also, Oasis' seems much more focused than any of the above cases.

So let me clarify: I'm not dooming Oasis at all. I'm just saying - again, not to be a party pooper here - that there are reasons (apart from regulation) for the low degree of low-cost penetration in the long-haul market in general.

As mentioned previously, many of the LCC-advantages fade when going long-haul. In addition to this, competition has always been more fierce on long-haul between legacy carriers. Also, people's service preferences become different on long-hauls - even Oasis has recognized this, as their service level is standard, if not better, than many long-haul legacy carriers. Citing from the Oasis web-site:

"Not only low fares but also the same high standard of comfort" - 32 inch pitch, Y/C class, personal screens, compl. meals..

I agree totally with Oasis, that a business model a la FR on long-haul is not a good idea - but then I just ask the question: Where is this big cost advantage, that more than offsets the lack of the "golden" J and F customers? Maybe Oasis got better labour agreements etc., I wouldn't know, but still, would this be enough?

Again, I think Oasis stands a fair chance - but I don't think it's gonna be easy.

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