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DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:51 pm

Just read on this Italian news web site (only in Italian).

http://www.ansa.it/main/notizie/awnp...ssime/news/2006-09-22_1222745.html

It seems that the DL flight from Tel Aviv to Atlanta had problems (fire in the cockpit that caused also a break in a window with a consequent cabin depressurizing) while it was flying near Brindisi.
For this reason an emergency landing has been performed in BDS airport without consequences for the crew and the pax.

Anyone here knows something more about that?
 
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:35 pm

The news are senseless, anyone knows what actually happened?

Fire onboard+blown window+rapid decompression... WTF??????
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:06 pm

Sorry--misread BDS as BOS...too early here..TPAnx

[Edited 2006-09-22 15:07:49]

[Edited 2006-09-22 15:08:58]

[Edited 2006-09-22 15:09:21]
I read the news today..oh boy
 
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:06 pm

Sorry but this news it's not senseless at all!

At the moment there is a special DL flight enroute from LGW to BDS (DL9902), the landing is scheduled at 15.00.

Then it will be back as DL9903 to LGW with those pax, with a scheduled arrival time at 20.20.

If you check the flight status page on the Delta website, you'll find:

DL153 21sep06 TLV-BDS Status: Diverted

[Edited 2006-09-22 15:18:55]
 
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:28 pm

I'm surprised this thread got no attention at all from the DL insiders here, the link posted here is just confusing, but it is a fact that the TLV-ATL flight diverted.
With DL's 777's being on short supply this will create a challange for DL fleet managers. Hope to get a clarification from DL insiders here soon.
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:36 pm

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 5):
With DL's 777's being on short supply this will create a challange for DL fleet managers.

This morning's ATL-LAX-ATL flight (DL171/174) normally a 777 will be subbed by a domestic 763 instead as the 777 is stuck in BDS. The 763 is configured 24/228 while the 777 is 50/218.
 
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:44 pm

Quoting 777 (Reply 3):
Sorry but this news it's not senseless at all!

My fault, i wasn't clear enough, it's not the incident to be senseless but the way the news on the internet presented it. I agree this is one serious emergency that happened, I'm very surprised it hasn't been discussed... would be interesting to know what happened up there...
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:47 pm

Thank God the aircraft landed safely. It'll be interesting to hear what actually happened - I am surprised this has not made the news at all!
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:53 pm

I hope that this wasn't a serious problem, but one that reason required the emegency diversion. I suspect that it didn't get any media attention as it didn't involve a 'terror' related scare from someone who got a bottle of water on their flight.
 
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:20 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 8):
I hope that this wasn't a serious problem, but one that reason required the emegency diversion. I suspect that it didn't get any media attention as it didn't involve a 'terror' related scare from someone who got a bottle of water on their flight.

Well, looks like it was quite serious here is some more info i managed to get, still confused but a little more detailed:

-A fire developed onboard (don't know if in the cabin or in the cockpit)
-Crew managed to put it off
-A window blew (passenger window if I have to trust the news, the link between this event and the fire is unclear)
-Loss of cabin pressure and emergency descent + fuel dump
-Emergency landing in BDS
-Problems with the landing gear while on the ground due to overheat (brakes? Blown tires? Landing over MLW?)
-Everybody was ok (definitely the best news)

Probably it only made the Italian news because it happened in Italy and it was non-fatal (thank God)

[Edited 2006-09-22 16:21:44]

[Edited 2006-09-22 16:23:06]
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:20 pm

Quoting Panamair (Reply 5):
This morning's ATL-LAX-ATL flight (DL171/174) normally a 777 will be subbed by a domestic 763 instead as the 777 is stuck in BDS. The 763 is configured 24/228 while the 777 is 50/218.

Thanks Panamair, this clarifies things a little.
It would be interesting to hear what is actually wrong with the A/C. I hope its nothing serious, resulting in a long MX.
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Fri Sep 22, 2006 11:30 pm

I performed a check right now but nothing new appears on the Italian news websites.

The only update that I have is that the flight status page of Delta reports DL9902 LGW-DBS as landed and the DL9903 BDS-LGW as "at the gate".

Definitely strange that, outside Italy, nobody reports the accident!
 
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:42 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 5):
The 763 is configured 24/228 while the 777 is 50/218.

First off, thankfully all on board are ok. Now for some petty stuff. Lets see, 50 biz seats on a 777 and only 24 on the 763ER. You do the math, undoubtedly there will probably eventually be 26 unhappy people sitting in Y. Hmm, I wonder how DL decides who sits in coach and who doesnt? Probably the least of most peoples worries now but eventually, you know the way people can be................

[Edited 2006-09-22 17:42:40]

[Edited 2006-09-22 17:43:10]
 
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:47 am

Quoting Jumbojet (Reply 12):
I wonder how DL decides who sits in coach and who doesnt?

Shortest straw?  silly 
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:53 am

Quoting Jumbojet (Reply 12):
First off, thankfully all on board are ok. Now for some petty stuff. Lets see, 50 biz seats on a 777 and only 24 on the 763ER. You do the math, undoubtedly there will probably eventually be 26 unhappy people sitting in Y. Hmm, I wonder how DL decides who sits in coach and who doesnt? Probably the least of most peoples worries now but eventually, you know the way people can be................

Well, I doubt all those seats are full F fares, most of them are Medallion upgrades so the higher up you are on the DL Medallion Ladder, the better chances you have.

Its odd that still no news related with the incident.
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 1:02 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 8):
someone who got a bottle of water on their flight

it might have helped to put the fire out  Big grin

great news that everyone is ok
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:27 am

Which 777 was it...?
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:42 am

This sounds like a very serious incident (cockpit fire + depressurization) Serious enough that it should show up elsewhere in the media. Even the AJC, which will run anything DL related, has nothing.

Do we have any further info?
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:35 am

Quoting N160LH (Reply 16):
Which 777 was it...?

seems to be N863DA

ACARS mode: G Aircraft reg: N863DA [Boeing B772]
Message label: 80 Block id: 0 Msg no: M09A
Flight id: DL0153 [TLV-ATL] [Delta Air Lines]
Message content:-
3C03 0153/20 LLBG/KATL /POS NURMO /OVR 0051/NXT MAC56 /ETA 0151 /ENS 5920N /ALT 340/FOB 1490/SAT 51 /WND 194033/MCH 83/TRB SMOOTH /SKY CLEAR /ICE NONE
----------------------------------------------------------[ 21/09/2006 02:53 ]-
A318/A319/A320/A321 AB3/A306/A310/A333/A343/A346 732/733/735/736/744/752/763/764/772/773 DH3 F70 F100 CR2 CR1 CR7 ATR42
 
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:36 am

It was Ship 7002. The lower right corner of the R1 Co-Pilot's window heater overheated and flames were seen. Flight attendants reported smoke in the cabin also, probably due to the recirculating fans re-distributing air throughout the airplane. No injuries were reported, evacuation was performed normally. The heater was MCOed, and as stated is set up to ferry to LGW as DL9902. It will now make up DL11 on 23 Sep 06.

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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:46 am

Quoting Jumbojet (Reply 12):
Lets see, 50 biz seats on a 777 and only 24 on the 763ER. You do the math, undoubtedly there will probably eventually be 26 unhappy people sitting in Y. Hmm, I wonder how DL decides who sits in coach and who doesnt? Probably the least of most peoples worries now but eventually, you know the way people can be................

Rarely is that ATL-LAX flight full in F before the flight. Usually it is filled up at the last second by a bunch of upgraders.
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:07 am

Sounds like simple windshield heat problem, not quite so dramatic
 
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:33 am

Quoting Dairy (Reply 18):
Quoting N160LH (Reply 16):Which 777 was it...?


seems to be N863DA

WOW! This aircraft was the one that first got me interested in airplanes after my brother got a model of it (the exact reg and everything) as a gift a few years back.

Glad that everybody is OK.
 
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:54 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 20):



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 20):
Rarely is that ATL-LAX flight full in F before the flight. Usually it is filled up at the last second by a bunch of upgraders

This flight originated in TLV and was flying to ATL and is set up as biz elite, comp upgrades not available on this type of int. flight.
 
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:00 am

Quoting Jumbojet (Reply 23):
This flight originated in TLV and was flying to ATL and is set up as biz elite, comp upgrades not available on this type of int. flight.

No, what he's talking about is that that particular 777 was scheduled to operate the ATL-LAX-ATL roundtrip this morning after arriving from TLV. The BE section of the 777 is the premium cabin on that domestic flight and thus would allow for domestic upgraders.
 
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:02 am

Quoting Jumbojet (Reply 23):
This flight originated in TLV and was flying to ATL and is set up as biz elite, comp upgrades not available on this type of int. flight.

I think you are misunderstanding what we are saying here, I am saying ATL-LAX is upgraders(complimentery), not TLV-ATL.
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:02 am

Sounds like hell...glad I was not on that plane!
 
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:26 am

Quoting Aero0729 (Reply 26):
Sounds like hell...glad I was not on that plane!


let's not be so dramatic. If it was a simple divert because of a windshield heater problem, then I wouldn't characterize it as "hell".
 
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:31 am

Quoting Jumbojet (Reply 23):
This flight originated in TLV and was flying to ATL and is set up as biz elite, comp upgrades not available on this type of int. flight.

I'm sorry but you posted a very confusing post. It seemed like you were talking about the ATL-LAX leg since you were referring to what Panamair said. Panamair was talking about the ATL-LAX leg as well.
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:58 am

Actually DL has some great pricing on the ATL-LAX "F" fares and is mostly sold out. There are very few upgrades on this flight. You can buy them around $900 well before the flight for an "I" or an "D" fare. Even PMs have a hard time getting upgraded on this flight.

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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:05 am

Quoting DL763DFW (Reply 19):
It was Ship 7002. The lower right corner of the R1 Co-Pilot's window heater overheated and flames were seen. Flight attendants reported smoke in the cabin also, probably due to the recirculating fans re-distributing air throughout the airplane. No injuries were reported, evacuation was performed normally. The heater was MCOed, and as stated is set up to ferry to LGW as DL9902. It will now make up DL11 on 23 Sep 06.

There wasn't an evacuation. The plane taxied to a gate and passengers deplaned there. The passengers were sent to hotels for the evening except a few that elected to stay at the airport.
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 30):
It was Ship 7002.

This was the first 777 I ever rode on, back in 1999.
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:15 am

For those who make ironic jokes on the seriousness of such an event, please take a look at this reminder here:

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19980902-0&lang=en
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:26 am

The media here are insisting on a cracked windshield and loss of pressure... do you think that this incident will be on the NTSB website anytime soon? That would be a reliable source...
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:50 am

Quoting CURLYHEADBOY (Reply 33):
do you think that this incident will be on the NTSB website anytime soon?

Doubt it. A failed window de-ice thermistor would not involved the NTSB. They happen quite often. Just must have been a slow news day. When they do fail they make quite the spark show and smoke smell, but are far from serious.

Quoting DeC (Reply 32):
For those who make ironic jokes on the seriousness of such an event, please take a look at this reminder here:

Not even in the same ballpark....
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:37 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 34):
Not even in the same ballpark....

Maybe not, but it could have been.

I'm just glad that the Boeing 777 maintains its zero-pax-fatality, zero hull-loss safety record, and that, more importantly, everybody got down unharmed.
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:58 am

Quoting FiveMileFinal (Reply 35):
Maybe not, but it could have been.

Ahh... No it could not.
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:45 am

Brindisi has never seen an aircraft this big, I'm sure as evidenced by the need for the flight to stop in FCO on its way on to ATL. The fact that the replacement 777 and the original one left within hours says it wasn't such a big deal. BDS is not exactly a major maintenance base for anyone.
 
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:46 pm

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 37):
The fact that the replacement 777 and the original one left within hours says it wasn't such a big deal.

Our well trained pilots did what they were supposed to in this instance and put down at the nearest suitable airport, BDS. In the end, it really wasn't that big of a deal but, when it happened, nobody knew that. The so called details reported on this thread have been wildly exaggerated. In fact, the a/c should be ready for a revenue flight on Saturday.
 
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:53 pm

So quick to be back in service. Great to hear Widget.

Thanx for the update.
 
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:21 pm

I landed yesterday on DL12 (ATL-LGW) and soon realised after looking on the departuire screens that the DL T7 (N867DA) back to ATL as DL11 had been cancelled. The a/c was then put on a stand at the otherside of LGW.

This was the a/c that obviously flew to BDS to collect the pax and crew.
Because of this the DL12 flight back to LGW today (22/09/06) has also been cancelled obviously due to lack of T7's and rotation purposes. N867DA will pick DL11 back up in LGW today (23/08/06) and everything should be back to normal on this route.

Surprising what effects it can have on the whole fleet and rotation of a/c. It amazes me how people work out what will be subbed and what will fly where etc. Good job to those who worked that out at DL HQ.

I knew something was wrong during the flight on DL12 (21/09/06) as the flight attendent told me she had just got a DL message saying she now is staying in London 2 nights instead of one, and she was worrying as she is going on holiday on Sunday night with her family.

Anyhow I hope that helps this thread somewhat.

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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:12 pm

Ryanlock,
Your comment re: the effects a single aircraft out of service can have on the whole fleet is pretty much correct (although I have never seen a single aircraft incident affect an entire airline's fleet). Aircraft scheduling and dispatch is a highly specialized craft...and the people who have to shuffle things around to get the bird back work miracles (as evidenced by only a few cancellations).

As an aside, if the aircraft will be back in service on 9/23 (basically one day), it doesn't sound like the incident was very major; Brindisi is a diversion airport for most size aircraft and has good fire coverage, as do most airports in Italy. My guess is, however, it doesn't see many 777s. Kudos to Delta maintenance for getting things back in order so quickly.

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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:17 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 34):
Not even in the same ballpark....

Yeah, easy for me and you to say it but imagine flying up there and having flames in the cockpit and smoke in the cabin…yeah I know the causes of the two incidents have nothing to do with one another but nevertheless, this kind of malfunctions and their results in an airborne plane are always dangerous, imo.
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RE: DL B-772 Emergency Landing In BDS Last Night

Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:49 pm

If the aircraft is back into service in just 1 day, this means the media exaggerated quite a bit telling the story...

Though, one thing came to my mind that could have led to the "blown window and loss of pressure" reports: Could it be that the procedure for fire/smoke/fumes in the cockpit includes opening the cockpit window for venting? This would mean getting the aircraft below FL150 and unpressurized.

What do you think?
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