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1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:57 am

The first of 18 Boeing 777-300ER's for SQ has already rolled out. There isn't really that much of a difference from the original non-ER 773's, except that it sports General Electric GE90-115B engines while the non-ER 773's sport Rolls Royce Trent 892. By the way, if you have not notice, the new 773ER sports bigger titles (SINGAPORE AIRLINES) and they are located more closer to the front.

Here is the link to the photo.

SQ 777-300ER

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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:59 am

Singapore 777-300 ER Picture (by HARLEYF150 Sep 22 2006 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:50 am

dont forget the raked wingtips!
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:00 am

Quoting Avi8tir (Reply 2):
dont forget the raked wingtips!

That is something obvious!!!

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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:40 am

When is the beast to be delivered?
 
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:49 am

Is it just me or does the blue on the tail not go all the way down to the fuselage? Also, is the golden pigeon lower than normal?

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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:41 am

Quoting 9V-SPJ (Reply 5):
Is it just me or does the blue on the tail not go all the way down to the fuselage? Also, is the golden pigeon lower than normal?

9V-SPJ

Correct. The blue in the tail doesn't go all the way to the fuselage as this seems to be the revised SQ livery which I like, even though it's a modest change. The Golden Pigeon as you refer it to is not lowered, it just looks that way because of the blue tail color not going all the way to the fuselage.

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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:21 am

Does any body know the configuration? Will it have suites in First Class ?
 
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:03 pm

Here is another picture of The First SQ 777-300ER.
Now you can see that the blue on the tail doesn't go all the way down to the fuselage as 9V-SPJ mentioned before.


So really the only places I see changes are in:

  • The Engines
  • The Tail
  • The Titles
  • And obviously, The Raked Wingtips


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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:17 pm

Quoting American777 (Thread starter):
Here is the link to the photo.

Is that a Connexion by Boeing antenna I spy ontop ?

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 7):
Does any body know the configuration? Will it have suites in First Class ?

Not sure, heard about 240 seats
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:56 am

Quoting American777 (Reply 8):
So really the only places I see changes are in:


....and more revenue for SQ.... Wink
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:05 am

Quoting American777 (Thread starter):
The first of 18 Boeing 777-300ER's for SQ has already rolled out.

According to Boeing Orders and Delivery pages they have 19 on order. They have not taken delivery of that first one they ordered way back on 2001 yet.

Singapore Airlines Singapore Southeast Asia 777-300ER GE 29-May-2001 1
Singapore Airlines Singapore Southeast Asia 777-300ER GE 23-Dec-2004 18
Total 19
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:05 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 9):
Is that a Connexion by Boeing antenna I spy ontop ?

Good catch! It looks like one to me.

Quoting Zeke (Reply 9):
Not sure, heard about 240 seats

That would be remarkable considering that SQ's B777-200ERs seat 285.
 
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:27 am

Total seats will be 278.

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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:18 am

Anyone know the date of the first flight?
 
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 11):
According to Boeing Orders and Delivery pages they have 19 on order. They have not taken delivery of that first one they ordered way back on 2001 yet.

Singapore Airlines Singapore Southeast Asia 777-300ER GE 29-May-2001 1
Singapore Airlines Singapore Southeast Asia 777-300ER GE 23-Dec-2004 18
Total 19

No, they didn't order in 2001. The 2001 aircraft listed above was a conversion from a 2001 -200ER order. The conversion took place after the 2004 order.
 
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:51 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 14):
Anyone know the date of the first flight?

from http://www.seattle-deliveries.com/bo...p?field=OPR&find=SIA&submit=search

it has not happened yet. Watch KPAE movements on Flightaware for BOE691.
 
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:03 am

Quoting Dynkrisolo (Reply 15):
The 2001 aircraft listed above was a conversion from a 2001 -200ER order.

And... last time i checked that is still an order for an aircraft. And that order was placed in 2001. It may have been converted later but an order is an order and that aircraft has STILL not been delivered. So my claim that there is 19 x 777-300ER's instead of 18 it still valid.

I mean... i could be wrong. But i doubt it.  Wink
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Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:23 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 17):

And... last time i checked that is still an order for an aircraft. And that order was placed in 2001. It may have been converted later but an order is an order and that aircraft has STILL not been delivered. So my claim that there is 19 x 777-300ER's instead of 18 it still valid.

I mean... i could be wrong. But i doubt it.

I didn't say the 19 number was wrong, or you were wrong about the delivery status. I just pointed out the 2001 aircraft listed on Boeing's website was not ordered in 2001. I was strictly addressing the following statement by you:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 11):
They have not taken delivery of that first one they ordered way back on 2001 yet.
 
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:33 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 17):
And... last time i checked that is still an order for an aircraft. And that order was placed in 2001. It may have been converted later but an order is an order and that aircraft has STILL not been delivered. So my claim that there is 19 x 777-300ER's instead of 18 it still valid.

I mean... i could be wrong. But i doubt it.

It was taken as an option in 2001 along with a B777-200ER order placed then (it was an option for a non-specific B777). In 2005, the option was converted to a firm order for a B777-300ER.
 
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:41 am

I think thats a connexion antenna on top. Can someone at Boeing confirm this please.

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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 19):
It was taken as an option in 2001 along with a B777-200ER order placed then (it was an option for a non-specific B777). In 2005, the option was converted to a firm order for a B777-300ER.

It wasn't an option. It was converted from an existing firm order. You can check their 2004 annual report. At that time, they already had 59 777s on order. They are currently flying 58 772As/772ERs/773s.
 
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:22 pm

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 7):
Does any body know the configuration? Will it have suites in First Class ?

correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the interior going to sport the new seats that are coming out on the A380? one theory that I heard as to why SQ wasn't flying the 777 yet was because they were waiting to fly the A380 first, but who knows if that will happen. (once again correct me if I'm wrong)

Quoting Zeke (Reply 9):

Is that a Connexion by Boeing antenna I spy ontop ?

I would think not, Boeing is cancelling the connexion by Boeing, unless of course that has changed. I hope that they don't cancel it!
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:29 pm

Quoting Dynkrisolo (Reply 21):
It wasn't an option. It was converted from an existing firm order. You can check their 2004 annual report. At that time, they already had 59 777s on order. They are currently flying 58 772As/772ERs/773s.

I remember clearly. It was the last option SQ held for a non-specific B777. The options taken together with the order for 18 B777-300ERs were specifically for B777-300ERs.
 
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:46 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 23):
I remember clearly. It was the last option SQ held for a non-specific B777. The options taken together with the order for 18 B777-300ERs were specifically for B777-300ERs.

But I also happen to remember clearly that wasn't the case.  Wink And I have supporting data. I had asked you to check their 2004 annual report. If you had, you would have known your memory didn't serve you well this time.  Wink

Here's the link:

http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_U...o/investor/annual/SIA_AR_0304.pdf?

The fleet summary is on page 115 (page 117 of the PDF document).

As of March 31st 2004, prior to the 773er order, they operated 52 777s, namely 12 772s, 17 772As, 15 772ers, and 8 773s. They also had 7 777s on order then, or a total of 59 first gen 777s ordered.

Today, they have 58 777s, namely 14 772s, 17 772As, 15 772ers, and 12 773s with no first gen 777s on order.

Trust me, the 19th 773er was converted from an existing order.
 
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:46 am

Quoting Dynkrisolo (Reply 24):
Today, they have 58 777s, namely 14 772s, 17 772As, 15 772ers, and 12 773s with no first gen 777s on order.

Can you clarify that for us please? Typically the 777-200 is called the 772A, and the 777-200ER, 772ER. I've never seen 772 and 772A used at the same time to represent different aircraft, as you seem to be doing here...is it the way they differentiate between the lower gross weight 772A's and the higher gross weight ones?
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:01 am

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 25):
Can you clarify that for us please? Typically the 777-200 is called the 772A, and the 777-200ER, 772ER. I've never seen 772 and 772A used at the same time to represent different aircraft, as you seem to be doing here...is it the way they differentiate between the lower gross weight 772A's and the higher gross weight ones?

I don't have the answer. I was just quoting what was in SQ's annual report. I think it has to do with the MTOW configuration of the aircraft and how it is paper-downed to. In fact, when I was checking their annual reports, I was surprised that their 772s are newer than 772As.
 
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:26 am

Quoting Dynkrisolo (Reply 24):
Trust me, the 19th 773er was converted from an existing order.

Correct.

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 25):
Typically the 777-200 is called the 772A, and the 777-200ER, 772ER. I've never seen 772 and 772A used at the same time to represent different aircraft, as you seem to be doing here...is it the way they differentiate between the lower gross weight 772A's and the higher gross weight ones?

Actually, if you want to get techincal, SQ does not have ANY non-ER 777-200's. Every one of their -200's are -200ER's. The difference is they ordered most of them with paper-reduced MTOW's and derated Trent's.


BTW - have seen the revised colors at PAE, and must say I am not impressed with the new tail. It may seem like a small revision, but IMO it really detracts.

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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:18 am

Any idea which routes on the SQ network will deploy the B777-300ER? Will it be the SIN-MXP-BCN route?
 
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:37 am

Quoting Aukahkay (Reply 28):
Any idea which routes on the SQ network will deploy the B777-300ER? Will it be the SIN-MXP-BCN route?

ZRH and CDG are the latest rumours. MXP/BCN would probably keep the B777-200ER for a while until loads and yields rise. An increase in frequency would make more sense than an upgauge -- at least until service is daily.
 
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:33 am

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 27):
Actually, if you want to get techincal, SQ does not have ANY non-ER 777-200's. Every one of their -200's are -200ER's. The difference is they ordered most of them with paper-reduced MTOW's and derated Trent's.

So, please correct me if I'm wrong... All it takes is an update to the computer software to "grade" all of SQ's 772s to ERs?

What does it mean by "Paper-reduced MTOW"?

Thanks.
 
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:45 am

Quoting FlyingHippo (Reply 30):
So, please correct me if I'm wrong... All it takes is an update to the computer software to "grade" all of SQ's 772s to ERs?

I think there is also a plug that needs to be changed in each engine.

Quoting FlyingHippo (Reply 30):

What does it mean by "Paper-reduced MTOW"?

It means that SQ contracted with Boeing for a particular MTOW.
 
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:43 am

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 22):
I would think not, Boeing is cancelling the connexion by Boeing, unless of course that has changed. I hope that they don't cancel it!

That was a fairly recent change, it will take some time for that to trickle into the production line.

I understand that someone is looking at taking it over, the only change in the existing hardware will be a modem change.

Quoting FlyingHippo (Reply 30):
What does it mean by "Paper-reduced MTOW"?

Many airlines have paper reduced performance changes to their aircraft.

Reductions are used to reduce costs. The common method of attributing airways charges, landing, and parking charges is via the maximum mass of the aircraft, have a paper mass reduction, you get a lower charge.
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:04 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 32):
Reductions are used to reduce costs. The common method of attributing airways charges, landing, and parking charges is via the maximum mass of the aircraft, have a paper mass reduction, you get a lower charge.

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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 9):
Is that a Connexion by Boeing antenna I spy ontop ?



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 12):
Good catch! It looks like one to me.



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 20):
I think thats a connexion antenna on top. Can someone at Boeing confirm this please.

It is, in fact, a Connexion phased array receiver.

However, there is no more Connexion by Boeing. McNerny axed it, so they will have to find a new vendor.

Quoting FlyingHippo (Reply 30):
So, please correct me if I'm wrong... All it takes is an update to the computer software to "grade" all of SQ's 772s to ERs?

The reason for that is because SQ operates no 777-200s. They ONLY operate 777-200ERs and have some of them rated for lower thrust and MTOW.

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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:29 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 34):
However, there is no more Connexion by Boeing. McNerny axed it, so they will have to find a new vendor.

"Service Advisory
On Aug. 17, 2006, the Boeing Company announced that a detailed business and market analysis of Connexion by Boeing is complete, and the company has decided to exit the high-speed broadband communications connectivity markets. Boeing will work with its customers to facilitate an orderly phase out of the Connexion by Boeing service. Passengers traveling on Internet-equipped flights will be able to use the service until it is phased out between now and the end of the year, depending on the airline."

That is from the http://www.connexionbyboeing.com/ website.

I don't beleive there IS another vendor... why would they be still installing Connexion antenna on aircraft that will be useless in a few months? Thats a complete waste.
Though there are rumors that Boeing has been shopping Connexion.

I suggest LH purchase it as they are far and beyond the largest "subscriber" to the service. Almost as many flights as all the other airlines combined. http://www.connexionbyboeing.com/ind...cfm?p=cbb.serviceavailable&lang=en
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:28 am

Here is a picture of PAE that was taken yesterday by Matt Cawby. It's amazing to see two DT 772ER's and two SQ 773ER's. I think SQ will take delivery of those two 773ER's this month.

Here is the picture: SQ 773ER's

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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:31 am

One notes 9V-SWB does not seem to have a Connexxion hump.

Thanks for the photo!
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:36 am

we were sitting there yesterday trying to figure out if the titles on the left plane are bigger, or chunkier, than the one on the right.

SWA was supposed to fly yesterday but it had problems, it is up in the air now, but of course the weather is shit and I couldn't be bothered with going to shoot it.
 
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:06 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 38):
it is up in the air now, but of course the weather is shit and I couldn't be bothered with going to shoot it.

Weather turned out great. I got tons of shots(SQ 773ER) along with the NCA 744F, Ethiopia 757PF, New Zealand 772ER first flight.
They have been uploaded... we shall see.
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:13 am

What a nice pair of Singapore 773ER ready to go home to Changi. I just think the 773ER is becoming to Asia what the 747 was.
 
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:39 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 39):
They have been uploaded... we shall see.

Here they are! The SINGAPORE AIRLINES titles just look more better in that bigger size.


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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:43 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 39):
New Zealand 772ER first flight.

Do you mean their latest 772ER which is ZK-OKG?

If not which? ZK-OKA their first one?

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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:41 am

Quoting American777 (Reply 42):
Do you mean their latest 772ER which is ZK-OKG?

Yes ZK-OKG's first flight. Not the first 772ER for New Zealand.

90 seconds after departure... we received the "airworthy" call back from the pilot. I guess it can fly.  Wink lol
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RE: 1st Singapore Airlines Boeing 777-300ER

Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:06 pm

Here are some new images of the First SQ 773ER and NZ's latest 772ER (ZK-OKG) at PAE.

Regards.

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