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Air India Is Planning To Lease 12 Aircraft

Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:42 am

4 wet-lease A330-A340-B747-B777-MD11
For: NewYork, Chicago, Los Angeles, and Canada

5 wet-lease A310-A330-B757-B767
For: Seoul, Shanghai, Singapore, Jakarta, Kuala Lumpur, Dubai

3 dry-lease B747-B777
For: mixed

http://www.justplanes.com/News006.htm

Anybody know where they could get such aircrafts from?
 
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RE: Air India Is Planning To Lease 12 Aircraft

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:04 pm

Wet-leases? Are AI in that much need of capacity?

Aren't their new 777's coming next spring? That's not soon enough?  Confused
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:21 pm

Quoting Ba777-236 (Reply 1):
Wet-leases? Are AI in that much need of capacity?

Aren't their new 777's coming next spring? That's not soon enough?

Leases expire on 3-4 of their current 747s.
 
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RE: Air India Is Planning To Lease 12 Aircraft

Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:57 pm

Looks like 1 x B744 will come from Air NZ (GE powered)
 
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:25 pm

AI is in a very desperate situation at the moment. 3 B747-400s have to be returned before the end of this year unless it manages to extend the lease. 2 A310s also are due to be returned early next year. 2 B747-400s are to be returned by October 2007.

It is even considering using the B737-800s of Air India Express till it's own a/c start arriving.
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:36 pm

Apparantly NZ B744 ZK-SUH is bound for AI, complete with NZs state of the art IFE and business seats
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:15 pm

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 4):
AI is in a very desperate situation at the moment. 3 B747-400s have to be returned before the end of this year unless it manages to extend the lease. 2 A310s also are due to be returned early next year. 2 B747-400s are to be returned by October 2007.

It is even considering using the B737-800s of Air India Express till it's own a/c start arriving.

Himmat infact AI will be short of 6 A310s by March 2007 --4 leased to be returned and 2 owned ones are being sent for freighter conversions.

As a result of shortage 6 AIX 737-800s will be configured in BIZ/ECO configuration to accomodate this shortage.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Apparantly NZ B744 ZK-SUH is bound for AI, complete with NZs state of the art IFE and business seats

If true that is great news and really fortunate for thos passengers who will get to fly that particular aircraft.

Karan
 
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RE: Air India Is Planning To Lease 12 Aircraft

Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:16 pm

On the topic of India, can anyone confirm that Indian Airlines have only 3 x A300s for long haul ie wide bodies??

Are any other widebodies likely to come into the fleet soon??
 
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Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:41 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):
On the topic of India, can anyone confirm that Indian Airlines have only 3 x A300s for long haul ie wide bodies??

Are any other widebodies likely to come into the fleet soon??

Yes, IC at the moment has only three A300s. It has dry leased two A330-200s which would be joining it's fleet soon.
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RE: Air India Is Planning To Lease 12 Aircraft

Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:57 am

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 8):
It has dry leased two A330-200s which would be joining it's fleet soon.

Wow. Thats news to me. What routes will the 330's be used on?
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:23 am

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 8):
Yes, IC at the moment has only three A300s. It has dry leased two A330-200s which would be joining it's fleet soon.

Do you know where they are coming from ?
 
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RE: Air India Is Planning To Lease 12 Aircraft

Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:28 am

Wow,looks like some mixed color leased a/c coming soon.

I wonder if the New Zealand 747 will be put in service with New Zealand
colors and AI titles?
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:44 am

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 8):
It has dry leased two A330-200s which would be joining it's fleet soon.

v interesting news indeed...from where are these A 332s coming from?
 
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:49 am

Quoting Manny (Reply 10):
Do you know where they are coming from ?



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 12):
interesting news indeed...from where are these A 332s coming from?

The aircrafts are expected to start schedule service by DEC, and the senior commonders of IC will go for training to TLS in batches of 6.

It is coming from a French based leasing company [name unknown]

IC is expected to fly to the following LON/MAN/HKG/JNB/ATH/SYD/PER with the help of 10 such aircrafts [330 or 340] which they expect to lease from various places----I just dont know how they are gonna get these additional 330/340s in their fleet.

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RE: Air India Is Planning To Lease 12 Aircraft

Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:34 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 13):
IC is expected to fly to the following LON/MAN/HKG/JNB/ATH/SYD/PER with the help of 10 such aircrafts [330 or 340] which they expect to lease from various places----I just dont know how they are gonna get these additional 330/340s in their fleet.

Forgive my ignorance, but is this essentially IC's first expansion into the international market? I was under the (possibly entirely false) impression that IC was the domestic arm of AI and essentially the same company.

If they get the a/c they need, I'd love to see an Indian airline flying into SYD (though was privately hoping to see Jet come here...)
 
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:46 am

Quoting CX777Fan (Reply 14):
Forgive my ignorance, but is this essentially IC's first expansion into the international market? I was under the (possibly entirely false) impression that IC was the domestic arm of AI and essentially the same company.

They have always been separate entities although both are owned by the Govt of India.

Initially AI onlyflew international and IC flew domestic. However in the last few years IC has been flying to a few South East destinations like HKG, SIN, KUL and BKK and to the middle east.

Only now is it looking to go towards Europe an Oceania.

However what I fail to understand is why are IC and AI not ordering more a/c their current orders are by no means sufficient.

Also is the NZ 744 going to AI the one with the Premium Economy? Wonder what AI will do with those seats. Maybe sell them as Business and the Business Premier as First  Wink
 
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RE: Air India Is Planning To Lease 12 Aircraft

Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:54 am

C'mon...where is the service to SYD?
They have been planning one since anyone can remember!
 
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RE: Air India Is Planning To Lease 12 Aircraft

Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:50 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
-A340



Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
For: NewYork, Chicago, Los Angeles, and Canada

And yet we still se no non-stop or direct between India and SFO. What the hell is wrong with them. One of the largest Indian populations is located in the by area and still nothing. Are we ever going to see it happen or what?
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 15):
Also is the NZ 744 going to AI the one with the Premium Economy? Wonder what AI will do with those seats. Maybe sell them as Business and the Business Premier as First

All of NZs B744 have the new cabins. -SUH was the last one finished only recently
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RE: Air India Is Planning To Lease 12 Aircraft

Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:16 am

Quoting Flamedude707 (Reply 17):
And yet we still se no non-stop or direct between India and SFO. What the hell is wrong with them. One of the largest Indian populations is located in the by area and still nothing. Are we ever going to see it happen or what?

I expect them to start this when AI gets their 777-200LR's...
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:38 pm

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Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:45 pm

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 4):
AI is in a very desperate situation at the moment. 3 B747-400s have to be returned before the end of this year unless it manages to extend the lease. 2 A310s also are due to be returned early next year. 2 B747-400s are to be returned by October 2007.



Quoting Karan69 (Reply 6):
Himmat infact AI will be short of 6 A310s by March 2007 --4 leased to be returned and 2 owned ones are being sent for freighter conversions.

Has AI located where they will lease all these aircraft from? So far 1 744 from NZ, sounds like a wish list to me!

How many 777-200LR's are scheduled for delivery next year?
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RE: Air India Is Planning To Lease 12 Aircraft

Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:52 pm

Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 15):
However what I fail to understand is why are IC and AI not ordering more a/c their current orders are by no means sufficient.

You don't think 50 additional widebody aircraft are enough for AI? How many more do you feel they need?
 
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RE: Air India Is Planning To Lease 12 Aircraft

Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:11 pm

Quoting Wsan581 (Reply 21):
How many 777-200LR's are scheduled for delivery next year?

Complete delivery schedule of Air India and Air India Express:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2612236/
 
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:04 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 23):
Complete delivery schedule of Air India and Air India Express:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...2236/

Thanks!
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:10 pm

Quoting Sammyk (Reply 22):
You don't think 50 additional widebody aircraft are enough for AI? How many more do you feel they need?

In a way he is right, 50 does not seem enough especially given the aircrafts they currently have on their fleet are almost around that number --43 aircrafts i think--not counting AIX.

Dont forget that the 77Ws would have to be direct replacements for 9 747s [7 leased 744s from SQ/AC/KE and 2 743s] so they will first and foremost replace the leased 744s.
The remaining 6 77Ws will probably replace the 6 owned 744s 10-15 years down the line..

The 27 787-8s offer AI unparalleled flexibility , but since it is gonna be configured in only biz and eco classes---it is a safe bet it will be used on the current A310 routes in addition to what they manage to do with the routes it can offer---24-25 A310s currently in their fleet so that would mean around 3 spare 787-8s for extra capacity.

But then again dont forget AI has to replace 4 772 ERs whose lease expires in 2009--so there go the spare 787s .


THE 772LRs ARE PROBABLY THE ONLY ONES FOR EXPANSION, along with most of the 737-800s---but as far as Widebodies go AI are definitly short of them.

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Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:37 pm

Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 15):
However in the last few years IC has been flying to a few South East destinations like HKG, SIN, KUL and BKK and to the middle east.

"In the last few years" gives the impression of last 4-5 years....just FYI, IC started operating on the SIN sector some time in the mid 80's and to SHJ and BKK in the early 90's I think....plus of course, services to Pakistan (on and off), Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh....so they have had international operations for over 20 years now.....but not as far spread as AI....limited to neighboring ccountries only....

BTW, is IC flying to HKG? Never heard of that....as far as I know it's BKK, KUL, SIN in S.E. Asia and MCT, SHJ in the M.E.

[Edited 2006-09-24 15:39:55]
 
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Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:42 pm

Why in the world do they still fly those A 300??? Aren't they ready for the scrap yard???
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Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:33 am

Quoting Qslinger (Reply 27):
Why in the world do they still fly those A 300??? Aren't they ready for the scrap yard???

You're right, they are.....but I guess they are using them out of sheer need for capacity and the incapacity of the Govt. to order new aircraft for them in a timely manner....

[Edited 2006-09-24 19:33:47]
 
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Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:27 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Apparantly NZ B744 ZK-SUH is bound for AI, complete with NZs state of the art IFE and business seats

Which AI will summarily turn into trash.
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Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 29):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Apparantly NZ B744 ZK-SUH is bound for AI, complete with NZs state of the art IFE and business seats

Which AI will summarily turn into trash.

I don't think AI keeps the all the airlines seats and interiors. Based on what a few of my friends told me when they flew on an AI (ex SQ) 747, was that it still had the SQ economy seats, but the first and business were standard AI.
 
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Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:47 am

The reason for that could be that SIA took them out so AI had to put in their own. I agree with Jaysit, whatever seats will be in there will be trashed. It's embarrasing. I'd love to go to these people's homes and trash their furniture. "Hey, it's not mine, why should I care?"
 
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Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:00 am

Quoting Sammyk (Reply 31):
It's embarrasing. I'd love to go to these people's homes and trash their furniture. "Hey, it's not mine, why should I care?"

Uh... first, just to let you know, I am from India. Second, your comment makes no seance. There are hundreds of other countries that have sanity levels far far below India. Now, since you live in Texas, I take it you don't know what the term "rest of the world" means.

Secondly, it is not the management of Air India that purposely destroys these seats. The aircraft carry a wide array of Indian passengers every day, some of which are not very clean them selves. This from time to time leads to the seats getting dirty. Look at some of the domestic Chinese airlines. I bet you won't find spotless seats in most aircraft.

Bottom line.... Air New Zealand payed alot for those custom seats. (I estimate that an average 1st class seat cost them about $500USD?) That is alot of money. The most logical thing is for them to take those seats out and use them to refit another 747 which is still in the old config.

Also, back on topic, AI could get some RR 772ERs from SQ I suppose. Air France also said they are planning to lease out some of their older 772ERs.
 
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Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:38 am

I've flown AI's 744s that were ex-SQ 744s in J Class, and they still had those awful SQ ultimo seats, which are just terrible in terms of pitch and comfort. However, at least on SQ, the ultimo seats had good IFE. AI can't even get the IFE to work on their ex-SQ aircraft. The few channels that worked had one grainy trashy Bollywood flick on all channels. When the purser was queried why it didn't work, she said "what do do? this hasn't worked for months."
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Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:14 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 32):
Uh... first, just to let you know, I am from India. Second, your comment makes no seance. There are hundreds of other countries that have sanity levels far far below India. Now, since you live in Texas, I take it you don't know what the term "rest of the world" means.

Secondly, it is not the management of Air India that purposely destroys these seats. The aircraft carry a wide array of Indian passengers every day, some of which are not very clean them selves. This from time to time leads to the seats getting dirty. Look at some of the domestic Chinese airlines. I bet you won't find spotless seats in most aircraft.

Uh...just to let you know, I am also of Indian origin and have flown Air India plenty of times. I have seen the disrespect of public property first hand. Also, I am not talking about other countries, I am talking about India/Air India. Who cares if the Chinese act the same way, does it justify Indians acting that way?

I never said it was the management and I never said it was on purpose. It is the passengers that don't give a damn. I guarantee they would not treat their own home like they do the aircraft. These people are really useless. They would not step one foot onto an ST bus but they treat the aircraft as such. I have seen these people spit on the floor. Spill food and drink on the floor and not even concern themselves to try and clean it up. I can't imaging what they do in the bathroom causing it to overflow and have feces and water spill out into the cabin. Absolutely disgusting.

Oh and nice dig at Texas. I'm sure Texans are quite familiar with the "rest of the world".  sarcastic 
 
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RE: Air India Is Planning To Lease 12 Aircraft

Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:56 pm

Quoting Sammyk (Reply 22):
You don't think 50 additional widebody aircraft are enough for AI? How many more do you feel they need?

Mate as Karan pointed out earlier. Most of these a/c will be used to replace existing ones. They need almost twice what they have ordered.

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 26):
"In the last few years" gives the impression of last 4-5 years....just FYI, IC started operating on the SIN sector some time in the mid 80's and to SHJ and BKK in the early 90's I think

I know mate and thts what I meant. Sorry if i sounded confusing.

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 26):
BTW, is IC flying to HKG?

Now THAT started bout 4-5 years ago. IIRC

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Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:15 pm

Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 35):
Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 26):
BTW, is IC flying to HKG?

Now THAT started bout 4-5 years ago. IIRC

IC has not started flying to HKG yet.
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Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:20 pm

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 36):
IC has not started flying to HKG yet.

Are you sure coz there was talk amongst pilots as to who wud get to fly tht route about 6 or 7 years ago and it was almost definite so I thought the HKG had already started. Anyway will check up on that.

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Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:25 pm

Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 35):
I know mate and thts what I meant. Sorry if i sounded confusing.

No problem....just clarifying for the benefit of non-Indians who would be visiting this thread.... smile 

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 36):
IC has not started flying to HKG yet.

That's what I thought too.....and there's no pics of IC at HKG, on this site....
 
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 38):
That's what I thought too.....and there's no pics of IC at HKG, on this site....

you must be confusing it with SIN...as far as HKG is concerned, the bilateral is pretty tight and hasn't been liberalized even after 2 rounds of negotiations.
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:43 am

Quoting Aseem (Reply 39):
Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 38):
That's what I thought too.....and there's no pics of IC at HKG, on this site....

you must be confusing it with SIN...as far as HKG is concerned, the bilateral is pretty tight and hasn't been liberalized even after 2 rounds of negotiations.
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Uhh...Aseem, what are you saying....? We feel that IC does not currently fly to HKG....are you agreeing...?  smile 
 
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:56 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 32):
Bottom line.... Air New Zealand payed alot for those custom seats. (I estimate that an average 1st class seat cost them about $500USD?)

for 500USD it would be a bargain... when i flew AA's First on the B77 first class flagship suite, the FA told me each seat cost around 900000USD !!!

Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 15):
Initially AI onlyflew international and IC flew domestic. However in the last few years IC has been flying to a few South East destinations like HKG, SIN, KUL and BKK and to the middle east.

IC have been flying to KUL for at least 10 years... i saw many of those flying above my high school cuz my highschool was below the flight path to Subang Airport... i'm out of highschool for 10 years now
 
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:30 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 32):
(I estimate that an average 1st class seat cost them about $500USD?)

A more realistic $50,000.00 USD is in order..
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:07 am

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 42):
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 32):
(I estimate that an average 1st class seat cost them about $500USD?)

A more realistic $50,000.00 USD is in order..

Honestly... for a seat? It is just metal, leather, plastic, a tv screen, and a few LED light bulbs all neatly put together.

Well, if it is closer to $50,000.00 USD, there is more reason for NZ and SQ to not give up their seats to other airlines.
 
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:22 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 43):
Honestly... for a seat? It is just metal, leather, plastic, a tv screen, and a few LED light bulbs all neatly put together.

Honestly, the prices for the seats are as greatly inflated as the catering cost. For example the average catering cost for a Club World meal service on a JFK-LHR flight operted by BA is approximately $475.00 USD. The average cost for a Qantas First Class meal service LAX-SYD in approximately $630.00 USD.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 43):
Well, if it is closer to $50,000.00 USD, there is more reason for NZ and SQ to not give up their seats to other airlines.

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RE: Air India Is Planning To Lease 12 Aircraft

Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:54 am

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 44):
Honestly, the prices for the seats are as greatly inflated as the catering cost. For example the average catering cost for a Club World meal service on a JFK-LHR flight operted by BA is approximately $475.00 USD. The average cost for a Qantas First Class meal service LAX-SYD in approximately $630.00 USD.

Is that one way or return??

it sound mightly expensive...

I was once told that for 'other airlines' pax to use the Qantas club it costs them $25 per pax.

is this accurate??
 
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:10 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 45):
Is that one way or return??

Per flight, and of course it varies from route to route. Routes such as LAX-SYD, LAX-MEL, and LHR-HKG are the most expensive in the Qantas network for catering costs.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 45):
I was once told that for 'other airlines' pax to use the Qantas club it costs them $25 per pax

The fee I believe is more expensive and varies on which airport it is at.
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:05 pm

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Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 37):
Are you sure coz there was talk amongst pilots as to who wud get to fly tht route about 6 or 7 years ago and it was almost definite so I thought the HKG had already started. Anyway will check up on that.

IC had planned to fly to HKG back in the mid 1990s. There were rumours in the industry that IC pilots were unable to land using the IGS at Kai Tak. I once again clarify that this news was a rumour and was never confirmed.
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karan69
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RE: Air India Is Planning To Lease 12 Aircraft

Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:11 pm

Quoting KULatICT (Reply 41):
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 32):
Bottom line.... Air New Zealand payed alot for those custom seats. (I estimate that an average 1st class seat cost them about $500USD?)

for 500USD it would be a bargain... when i flew AA's First on the B77 first class flagship suite, the FA told me each seat cost around 900000USD !!!



Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 42):
A more realistic $50,000.00 USD is in order

I had read that each aircraft cost Air Newzealand half a million dollars to upgrade.

Karan
 
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RE: Air India Is Planning To Lease 12 Aircraft

Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:24 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 48):
Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 42):
A more realistic $50,000.00 USD is in order

I had read that each aircraft cost Air Newzealand half a million dollars to upgrade.

Karan

The NZ cabin crew had been given strict instructions to see that nobody damages the seats. Will the AI cabin crew be so considerate about an aircraft which is not owned by AI?
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