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Varig To Get A330-200?

Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:39 am

Source: Aero International October edition page 58.

This is from a German monthly aviation paper. (Maybe our expert Planehunter could comment on the credibility of that particular paper.) It says Varig's new owners want to increase the fleet to 75 planes within three years. A332 and Embraer 190 are supposed to be the backbone of the new fleet.

A332 in Varig colors would look nice.
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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:16 am

I think it's a good oppurtunity for them, because the MD-11 getting very old and the cost are getting very high due to the third engine. But I suppose they need to buy new ones from Airbus because there is no existing 'second-hand' A330 on the market.

perhabs the Brazilian gov. grants VARIG a subsidy with buying E190s?!?! IMO a good alternative to Boeing 737xxx
 
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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:35 am

Rumours of AC transferring some of their E190 slots to RG have been mentioned on this site previously. AC may be finding that they are being delivered faster than they can absorbed into the current route structure,so perhaps this could be a solution for both parties. In regards to the A332,I think it could be an excellent choice. The key for RG going forward is to simply it's fleet,a combination of the two aircraft would make a lot of sense.
 
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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:01 am

I don't think the problem is that the MD-11 is "very" old, just ask Finnair, but rather that Varig didn't take care of them well (several posts on this)...
 
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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:22 am

Sorry folks but Mr. Audi is a laugh! He can say whatever he wants to. What I really want to see is all his intentions to be put in place and what is more important is to operate in blue and pay his bills.

The new VARIG is operating in very bad shape. In fact it is operating totally irregular. Let´s see till when this will go on.
 
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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:16 am

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 4):
The new VARIG is operating in very bad shape. In fact it is operating totally irregular. Let´s see till when this will go on.

What exactly do you mean by this? Are they cancelling flights or delaying?

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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:28 am

I mean this company was not supposed to be flying. There is no "new VARIG". There is anew company named Aereo Transportes S.A and this company bought the rights to use VARIG trade mark. In fact it is not VARIG, just a brand.
As a new company, they must start from the very first begin. It means, they have to have proper authorization from the Civil Aviation Authority, homologue aircrafts, crew, maintenance, etc...like any other airlines that wants to start operations. Considering this, as they don´t have anything, they were not supposed to be flying. They are irregular.

This is what I meant.

Last month they offer to the market 4% of capacity and got only 2% of the traffic. It seems they are flying with 50% load factor and it is a sign that consumers don´t trust on them. To me is a living dead airline.
 
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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:29 am

Never heard about this (A332 on RG) but they are under negotiations with AC to get 10 767.

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 1):
perhabs the Brazilian gov. grants VARIG a subsidy with buying E190s?!?! IMO a good alternative to Boeing 737xxx

Probably they will not receive any subsidy. Embraer confirmed they are under negotiations to sell up to 50 Embraer 190/195 jets to Varig, and RG confirmed they have obtained approval from other airlines to obtain 8 planes shortly (they will grant their rights to RG)

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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
Probably they will not receive any subsidy. Embraer confirmed they are under negotiations to sell up to 50 Embraer 190/195 jets to Varig, and RG confirmed they have obtained approval from other airlines to obtain 8 planes shortly (they will grant their rights to RG)

8? Who else, JetBlue? IIRC AC offered them 6 slots, no?

I wonder how good this would be for RG... only eight now, and the rest much later. Maybe they should try to obtain a few 737s instead until EMB can start delivering the E90s (any chance RG could convert them to E95s?).

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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:27 pm

E190s and 767s (ex Air Canada) makes sense. A332 perhaps in a few years when airlines who get theirs new will be selling on with introduction on A350/ 787 into their fleets.

Also, why the heck did this new group want to keep the Varig name. The reputation of a million years was shattered in a mere week...

To me it would make sense to at least alter the name to something new and incorporate the name varig or loose it alltogether. Honestly, while I would like to succeed, this looks like another '6 months then more drama' situation!

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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:24 pm

Quoting Thorben (Thread starter):
Source: Aero International October edition page 58

Aero International is not a very good source - is something like the "Bild" of Aviation.
 
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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:12 pm

Quoting Viasa (Reply 10):
Aero International is not a very good source - is something like the "Bild" of Aviation.

Maybe. But what would be a better paper for aviation? I know Flug Revue, but they have so much military reports that I don't care about.
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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:15 pm

Even if true, where could they get A330-200s? Certainly not for many years if they went the purchase route, given the production backlog. I have also thought that the lessors were tapped out as well?
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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:17 pm

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 8):
8? Who else, JetBlue? IIRC AC offered them 6 slots, no?

The info was given by Varig CEO during an interview on Saturday. They also say ANAC confirmed they received all the necessary documents to issue the airline certification (CHETA) and the document probably will be issued during the next 2 weeks.

After the certification we will know who grant their slot rights to RG as well as their future routes.

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 9):
E190s and 767s (ex Air Canada) makes sense. A332 perhaps in a few years when airlines who get theirs new will be selling on with introduction on A350/ 787 into their fleets

Yes, and it's hard to believe on the A332 because a lot of airlines are looking for widebodies. To fly the A332 Varig needs to obtain pilots, not so easy in Brazil nowadays (easy to find 733, M11, 763 and 772 flight deck staff, not A332). Could be something for 2 or 3 years, but it's not clear.

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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting Mpdesa (Reply 5):
The new VARIG is operating in very bad shape. In fact it is operating totally irregular. Let´s see till when this will go on.

Bad shape???? I flew New Varig regular, it is on time, great service, great price and with Smiles program!!!!! Varig is 10!
 
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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting Rbirtel (Reply 14):
Bad shape???? I flew New Varig regular, it is on time, great service, great price and with Smiles program!!!!! Varig is 10!

We're talking about the condition of the planes themselves, not the RG in-flight service.
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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:04 am

Quoting Viasa (Reply 10):
Aero International is not a very good source - is something like the "Bild" of Aviation.

I have to disagree. There is much information that doesn't even appear on a.net. And mostly, it is reliable. When a report should not be true, mostly the airlines concerned have to be "blamed" because they have changed their plans. IMO, that's peanuts.
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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:39 am

Quoting Rbirtel (Reply 14):
Quoting Mpdesa (Reply 5):
The new VARIG is operating in very bad shape. In fact it is operating totally irregular. Let´s see till when this will go on.

Bad shape???? I flew New Varig regular, it is on time, great service, great price and with Smiles program!!!!! Varig is 10!

Never said that! I'm all for RG, i loved them in the past and always will. Wish them all the luck in the world and hope they will become great again. Will always fly Varig whenever possible.

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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting Viasa (Reply 10):
Aero International is not a very good source - is something like the "Bild" of Aviation.

Definitely not - I have never read any sensational or exaggerated article in Aero. The magazine is a reliable source for news from Germany, Austria and Switzerland and is usually right with news from other regions as well.


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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:22 am

I flew today RG8740 GIG-GRU leg, operated by PP-VTK (M11), with 2F 38C 220Y, departed GIG on time (1930) arrived GRU earlier at 2035 (ETA 2040). Very good flight!

Quoting Rbirtel (Reply 14):
Bad shape???? I flew New Varig regular, it is on time, great service, great price and with Smiles program!!!!! Varig is 10!

Agree. In 2 weeks they will change their prices (they need to charge higher fares)... one thing is clear, customers are willing to fly RG again and they will return with 14 planes during the next weeks!

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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:46 am

Quoting Thorben (Thread starter):
A332 in Varig colors would look nice.

BTW, are the new owners considering to change the colors? AV and AR have changed them afeter their collapse

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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:23 pm

Thanks for the info, Felipe!

Quoting Arcano (Reply 20):

BTW, are the new owners considering to change the colors? AV and AR have changed them afeter their collapse

Doubt it. AV changed their livery cuz they had an ugly grey livery, and AR probably because of Marsans who tried to keep it similar to IB... very weird... but RG's livery is magnificent, they shouldn't change it other than make small adjustments over time (as it's been done).

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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:44 pm

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 18):
Definitely not - I have never read any sensational or exaggerated article in Aero. The magazine is a reliable source for news from Germany, Austria and Switzerland and is usually right with news from other regions as well.

But they wrote not too long ago that Aeromexico was to get A346 and I haven't herad anything about that ever since. Maybe they found out the truth about that plane from your posts on a.net.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 20):
BTW, are the new owners considering to change the colors? AV and AR have changed them afeter their collapse

I have no information about that, however I think it is possible to go with a new livery for a fresh start, especially when taking new planes.
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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:35 pm

Quoting Thorben (Reply 22):
But they wrote not too long ago that Aeromexico was to get A346 and I haven't herad anything about that ever since.

Did I suggest anywhere that the magazine is 100% right in any case?

Quoting Thorben (Reply 22):
Maybe they found out the truth about that plane from your posts on a.net.

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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:32 pm

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 23):
Did I suggest anywhere that the magazine is 100% right in any case?

Overreactions are often a sign of weak self-confidence.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 23):
Mockery is often the result of a poverty of wit.
Jean De La Bruyere

And sometimes it's used to show somebody the absurdity of his position.
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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:36 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 24):
Overreactions are often a sign of weak self-confidence.

Wow, it's amazing what you call an overreaction...

I mean, EVERY magazine makes mistakes. Just because once there has been one, you complain like a small child whose toy has been taken away...:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 22):
But they wrote not too long ago that Aeromexico was to get A346 and I haven't herad anything about that ever since.
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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:05 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 24):
Overreactions are often a sign of weak self-confidence.

Sorry? I asked a simple question - which means "Frage" in German, btw.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 24):
And sometimes it's used to show somebody the absurdity of his position.

Just in case you refer to the A346 vs B77W discussion - get over it, finally. One model has proven to be superior and that's it. No reason to continually spam threads with personal drivel. If you have to tell me anything, use the IM function.

Quoting A342 (Reply 25):
I mean, EVERY magazine makes mistakes. Just because once there has been one, you complain like a small child whose toy has been taken away...:

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Yes, and the question is what exactly they wrote.


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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 27):
Maybe you should read it again. I speak of one incedent, that doesn't necessarily have to be a mistake, because negotiations could still be going on, and Planehunter goes: "Did I suggest anywhere that the magazine is 100% right in any case?" He could have reacted somewhat more relaxed.

So, in your opinion, what should he have answered ? I'd be very interested to hear that.

Anyway, your answer about the self-confidence showed that you weren't really interested in discussing the accuracy of AeroInternational. You clearly wanted to guide us away from the topic.

Before you really start crying and run to the mods, I should mention that this is only an observation, not an insult or whatever else you might consider it.
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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:42 pm

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 21):
Doubt it. AV changed their livery cuz they had an ugly grey livery, and AR probably because of Marsans who tried to keep it similar to IB... very weird... but RG's livery is magnificent, they shouldn't change it other than make small adjustments over time (as it's been done).

Varig's colors are too generic, except for the compass on the tail there's nothing interesting about that livery.

Varig should get colors that are more exciting, something along the colors of the flag. If not, then a more classy livery.

Cover the yellow symbol on the tail and the basic scheme looks like a million other boring liveries out there. Those shots of planes that clearly said VARIG clumped together missing engines aren't exactly great publicity.
 
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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:07 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 28):
Varig should get colors that are more exciting, something along the colors of the flag. If not, then a more classy livery.

Their old livery is amazing IMO... i believe could be a smart move to use it again !

A side note, RG received today airline basic certification from ANAC, now they can improve their fleet and network !

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RE: Varig To Get A330-200?

Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:44 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 29):
Their old livery is amazing IMO... i believe could be a smart move to use it again !

Indeed

Felipe, when do you think Varig will be going back to Miami, JFK?