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DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:08 am

Ive noticed that the only partner that DL has that serves Australia and New Zealand is Korean Air. This means a HUGE out of the way conection for people in the US. I was wondering is there any speculation on if Delta will get a Sky Miles partner who will serve the South Pacific? I dont know if the major airlines like Air New Zealand or Qantas would go for it, but what about Air Tahiti Nui or Air Pacific? I do know that there is an Air France flight that goes from LAX to PPT. But other than that it seems like Skyteam and Delta's big hole is the South Pacific from the US.
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:16 am

Well, other than the fact that DL plans to serve that area themselves in the distant future, no there aren't any partners other than Korean.

Malaysian is a very attractive partner to SkyTeam, but nothing is in the works at this time.

What a lot of people don't know is just how close Air Tahiti Nui came to joining SkyTeam about a year ago. Those plan have fallen thru with no hope of it happening presently.
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:25 am

Air Tahiti Nui actually just recently strenghtened its relationship with AA, with new ability to earn AAdvantage miles on ATN, while Air Pacific also has FF relationship with AA and is partialy owned by Qantas so its unlikely it would ever hook up with DL/Skyteam.
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:39 am

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 1):
Well, other than the fact that DL plans to serve that area themselves in the distant future, no there aren't any partners other than Korean.

Yeah it stinks because I fly there alot and would like to earn the miles with DL, but not enough to stop in ICN. Where would DL serve the South Pacific from? My guess either LAX or perhaps HNL. Probably from a flight from ATL through one of those cities.
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:42 am

Malaysian joining SkyTeam is the most plausible thing to happen. It is a big hole in the Delta and more so SkyTeam network. I just got back from Sydney and flew Singapore Air out of Newark to get there. I got SkyMiles for the trip but unfortunately they didn't count towards Medallion status.
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:44 am

Or Hawaiian. They serve SYD already (only 3x a week from HNL) but with more SkyTeam feed they could probably go daily. Also, they already codeshare with CO and NW.

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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:47 am

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 5):
Or Hawaiian. They serve SYD already (only 3x a week from HNL) but with more SkyTeam feed they could probably go daily. Also, they already codeshare with CO and NW.

That would be a good idea for them.
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:57 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
I got SkyMiles for the trip but unfortunately they didn't count towards Medallion status.

that really sucks. That would've been a goldmine of MQM's
 
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:15 am

Would be nice to have another mainland USA carrier operating down here. more choices compared with NZ and QF at AKL and UA, QF and NZ(via AKL) in Australia. NZs LAX and SFO flights are getting more and more Aussies on them now
 
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:38 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Thread starter):
. I was wondering is there any speculation on if Delta will get a Sky Miles partner who will serve the South Pacific? I dont know if the major airlines like Air New Zealand or Qantas would go for it, but what about Air Tahiti Nui or Air Pacific?

Seems unkiley. QF is a foundation member of OneWorld, NZ is a member (foundation, I think) of StarA and Air Pacific is a member of OneWorld. TN would have seemed like the best bet, but as Laxintl says in reply 2 they seem to be moving closer to OneWorld, at the moment.

HA via HNL would currently seem to be the best chance. As for Delta itself serving the SW PAcific, I strongly doubt it, unless some MAJOR event occurs to change the whole economic structure of international civil aviation. I have no idea what such an event would be.

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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:43 am

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 9):
and Air Pacific is a member of OneWorld.

FJ isn't a member of One World. Aer Lingus, AA, BA, CX, FinnAir, IB, LAN and QF are One World members. FJ only code-shares on QF flights and is owned partly by QF.
 
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:25 am

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 9):
HA via HNL would currently seem to be the best chance. As for Delta itself serving the SW PAcific, I strongly doubt it, unless some MAJOR event occurs to change the whole economic structure of international civil aviation. I have no idea what such an event would be.

There are a couple of strong rumors regarding SkyTeam down here.

a/Hawaiian Airlines entering SkyTeam thus making Honolulu a SkyTeam hub.

b/Delta Airlines starting LAX-PPT-SYD with the 763 3 x weekly in addition to Delta Airlines starting LAX-PPT-MEL 3 x weekly. Aircraft utilization would be 2 x 763. These two would seem to be a stretch at best. With the right tour operator contracts Delta could do more than well on both flights. The other one floating around is SYD-AKL-LAX with a Delta 777 6 x weekly. Again requiring the use of 2 aircraft, this time 2 x 777. However, not one person can forecast Delta lately. Since LGW-JFK, KBP-JFK, ACC-JFK, JNB-DKR-ATL seemed to shock many when they were announced.

c/Air France re-commencing PPT-SYD 3 x weekly using the 343 equipment. The flight would originate in LAX. This would give SkyTeam a long needed "efficient" connection aside from the marathon route via ICN to Australia.
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:08 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
Malaysian joining SkyTeam is the most plausible thing to happen

How are they doing finacially? I remember a while back they were running out of money and fast. Have they turned things around?

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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:34 pm

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 11):
This would give SkyTeam a long needed "efficient" connection aside from the marathon route via ICN to Australia.

I would take any of the options you mentioned. It does seem that LAX or HNL will be the benifitiary (which is great for me)! I would like to see DL take the lead, but I dont see it to be honest. If DL does, I highly doubt the service will be from ATL unless its through LAX or HNL.
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:20 pm

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 11):

There are a couple of strong rumors regarding SkyTeam down here.

a/Hawaiian Airlines entering SkyTeam thus making Honolulu a SkyTeam hub.

b/Delta Airlines starting LAX-PPT-SYD with the 763 3 x weekly in addition to Delta Airlines starting LAX-PPT-MEL 3 x weekly. Aircraft utilization would be 2 x 763. These two would seem to be a stretch at best. With the right tour operator contracts Delta could do more than well on both flights. The other one floating around is SYD-AKL-LAX with a Delta 777 6 x weekly. Again requiring the use of 2 aircraft, this time 2 x 777. However, not one person can forecast Delta lately. Since LGW-JFK, KBP-JFK, ACC-JFK, JNB-DKR-ATL seemed to shock many when they were announced.

c/Air France re-commencing PPT-SYD 3 x weekly using the 343 equipment. The flight would originate in LAX. This would give SkyTeam a long needed "efficient" connection aside from the marathon route via ICN to Australia.

Hmm, I like the sound of those but will they really happen? I can't see DL flying to AKL/SYD.

A is probably the most likely of those with HA joining Skyteam and making HNL a hub.

AF returning to SYD could be possible but with TN on the route I don't think it would be that viable considering TN are struggling.
 
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:59 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
Aer Lingus

Air Lingus will no longer be part of OneWorld in the not-so-distant future..

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
AA, BA, CX, FinnAir, IB, LAN and QF are One World members.

add MA, JL, and RJ to the OneWorld list... Smile
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:29 pm

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 11):
The other one floating around is SYD-AKL-LAX with a Delta 777 6 x weekly.

I think DL could do well on the AKL-LAX route with a B772. A early afternoon or mid afternoon departure with an early morning arrival into LAX would really do well, especially with familys with kids, which in turn provides quicker connections at LAX, compared to waiting 5-9 hours for a connecting flight to places like ORD after arriving on a QF or NZ flight from AKL mid day.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 15):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
AA, BA, CX, FinnAir, IB, LAN and QF are One World members.

add MA, JL, and RJ to the OneWorld list...

I was going by the current members, not future members
 
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:38 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 16):
I think DL could do well on the AKL-LAX route with a B772. A early afternoon or mid afternoon departure with an early morning arrival into LAX would really do well, especially with familys with kids, which in turn provides quicker connections at LAX, compared to waiting 5-9 hours for a connecting flight to places like ORD after arriving on a QF or NZ flight from AKL mid day.

I agree! Maybe a schedule like this or close to

LAX 2030
AKL 0630
AKL 0810
SYD 0935
SYD 1120
AKL 1615
AKL 1755
LAX 0900

First DL do need a few more 777's.
 
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:52 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
FJ isn't a member of One World. Aer Lingus, AA, BA, CX, FinnAir, IB, LAN and QF are One World members. FJ only code-shares on QF flights and is owned partly by QF

OK

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 11):
b/Delta Airlines starting LAX-PPT-SYD with the 763 3 x weekly in addition to Delta Airlines starting LAX-PPT-MEL 3 x weekly. Aircraft utilization would be 2 x 763. These two would seem to be a stretch at best. With the right tour operator contracts Delta could do more than well on both flights. The other one floating around is SYD-AKL-LAX with a Delta 777 6 x weekly. Again requiring the use of 2 aircraft, this time 2 x 777. However, not one person can forecast Delta lately. Since LGW-JFK, KBP-JFK, ACC-JFK, JNB-DKR-ATL seemed to shock many when they were announced.

LAX-PPT-SYD/MEL! What would be the market? You would get very little LAX/SYD/MEL O&D traffic, NO business traffic US/Oz. Tourist traffic yes, but enough to support 6 weekly? I strongly doubt it. If Delta has two B763s its looking for work for, I would think that ATL/JFK-Europe would be more profitable.
SYD-AKL-LAX! Again whats the market? Yes they would get very price sensitive traffic if there prices were low enough, but even this traffic perferrs to minimise stops. As for business traffic from SYD, none, well execpt for some manic Skyteam FF. But I cant belive they would make the route viable. Once again if Delta is looking for work for two B777 North Asia/India/Europe would almost certainly be more profitable.

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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:58 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 17):
LAX 2030
AKL 0630
AKL 0810
SYD 0935
SYD 1120
AKL 1615
AKL 1755
LAX 0900

That would be an excellent arrival time at LAX. It would enable a midday arrival in ORD etc and also provides way better connections compared to NZ and QFs services
 
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:52 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 17):
I agree! Maybe a schedule like this or close to

LAX 2030
AKL 0630
AKL 0810
SYD 0935
SYD 1120
AKL 1615
AKL 1755
LAX 0900

This is pretty much what QF, UA and NZ do one way or another... nothing creative there.
 
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:59 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 20):
Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 17):
I agree! Maybe a schedule like this or close to

LAX 2030
AKL 0630
AKL 0810
SYD 0935
SYD 1120
AKL 1615
AKL 1755
LAX 0900

This is pretty much what QF, UA and NZ do one way or another... nothing creative there.

QF and NZ don't have a 9am arrival in LA or 5pm departure from AKL. QF comes close
 
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:35 pm

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 11):
a/Hawaiian Airlines entering SkyTeam thus making Honolulu a SkyTeam hub.



Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 11):
b/Delta Airlines starting LAX-PPT-SYD with the 763 3 x weekly in addition to Delta Airlines starting LAX-PPT-MEL 3 x weekly.



Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 11):
The other one floating around is SYD-AKL-LAX with a Delta 777 6 x weekly

There is zero truth to any of those rumors. Hawaiian is not coming into SkyTeam, and even if it were announced tomorrow, it would still be about two years before their membership took effect.

Any announcement regarding Delta service to Australia is at least a year away, nothing will be done until more 777's are online.

It's so distant it's really not worth talking about right now.
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:55 am

Can the 772LR do AKL-ATL both ways?

Direct distance is 8096mi, but according to great circle mapper that flies through some areas not usable with ETOPS 180 or 207. However, the Boeing website indiciates a range of 9,420 nautical miles and includes New York-Auckland as a city-pair.

A feed into Atlanta would provide great connections into America and Europe, whereas Asian hubs can only provide limited feed (to major cities) in Europe.
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:13 am

I seem to remember a route map showing that Delta once flew Honolulu-Seoul during the days of the Portland Gateway...would Delta flying one of the 764ER's HNL-SYD (and return) be a possibility?
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:45 am

*only* passing along some info:
Delta Air Lines - not Delta Airlines
oneworld -not OneWorld, One World
SkyTeam - not Skyteam, SKYteam, Sky Team...etc
US Airways - not USAirways, USAir
Aer Lingus - not Air Lingus

You'd get miffed if your name got constantly mispelled, right!
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:53 am

Quoting Freedom747 (Reply 25):
*only* passing along some info:
Delta Air Lines - not Delta Airlines
oneworld -not OneWorld, One World
SkyTeam - not Skyteam, SKYteam, Sky Team...etc
US Airways - not USAirways, USAir
Aer Lingus - not Air Lingus

You'd get miffed if your name got constantly mispelled, right!
There.....I feel better

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QANTAS not QUANTAS

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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:51 am

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 24):
I seem to remember a route map showing that Delta once flew Honolulu-Seoul during the days of the Portland Gateway...would Delta flying one of the 764ER's HNL-SYD (and return) be a possibility?

Something tells me if we do see DL service the area, that is indeed how it will manifest. If they could do a HNL-SYD service, this would:

- Provide perfect connections from ATL, CVG, SLC, SFO, and LAX.
- They could Utilize a 763 or 764 (preferably) instead of a 777

I think we might also see a JFK-HNL route if this does indeed manifest.

As I have said before a nonstop from ATL is not going to be the best way on this one.
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RE: DL Partners To Australia And NZ

Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:15 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 21):
QF and NZ don't have a 9am arrival in LA or 5pm departure from AKL. QF comes close

It's much of a muchness on such a long sector.
Basically all airline follow the same pattern. Midday ex-Australia, morning arrival into LAX, evening departure ex-Lax, morning arrival Australia/NZ.

Something different would be a midnight departure ex-MEL, arriving USA around 8pm, then an immediate turnaround around 11pm, arriving back in MEL next morning..

I hear this is something Viegin Blue long haul is considering in order to maximise aircraft utilisation..

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