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Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:48 am

I tried to find the markets served out of LGA by Airways but couldn't find anything. I know they have the shuttle service, and service to PIT, PHL, and CLT, can anyone give some listings? Thanks..
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:57 am

BOS
CLT
FPO
NAS
PIT
DCA
BWI
BUF
BTV
MHT
ORF
ROA
ROC
SYR
DAY
RDU
RIC
IND
There might be more but thats a start.

[Edited 2006-09-24 02:06:31]
 
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:01 am

Quoting ANNOYEDFA (Thread starter):
I tried to find the markets served out of LGA by Airways but couldn't find anything. I know they have the shuttle service, and service to PIT, PHL, and CLT, can anyone give some listings? Thanks..

Mainline service to AUA, BOS, CLT, DCA, FPO, NAS, PIT, SJU, STT

Express service to ACK, ALB, BGR, BTV, BUF, BWI, CHO, CHS, CMH, DAY, GSO, GSP, HYA, ILM, IND, ITH, LEB, LWB, MHT, MVY, MYR, ORF, PHL, PVD, PWM, RDU, RIC, ROA, ROC, SAV, SDF

A few of the markets listed are seasonal.

Mainline markets dropped recently include BDA, FLL, MSY. Mainline markets downgraded to Express recently include BUF, PHL. There haven't been any Express markets dropped in the last year or two off the top of my head.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:01 am

Quoting ANNOYEDFA (Thread starter):
I tried to find the markets served out of LGA by Airways but couldn't find anything. I know they have the shuttle service, and service to PIT, PHL, and CLT, can anyone give some listings? Thanks..

MHT/PVD/BDL/LEB/ALB/MVY/ACK/HYA/ROC/BUF/BTV/BGR/PWM/BWI/CMH/GSO/GSP
FLL/CMH/IND/ITH/ROA/RIC/ORF/SDF/SAV/RDU/ILM.
I think I got them all. Most of these are Express flights using DH8s or Be1s.
 
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:07 am

Albany (express)
Aruba (mainline)
Baltimore (express)
Bangor (express)
Boston (mainline)
Buffalo (express)
Burlington (express)
Charleston, SC (express)
Charlotte (mainline, express)
Charlottesville (express)
Columbus (express)
Dayton (express)
Freeport (mainline)
Greensboro (express)
Greenville/Spartanburg (express)
Hyannis (express)
Indianapolis (express)
Ithaca (express)
Lebanon (express)
Lewisburg (express)
Louisville (express)
Manchester (express)
Martha's Vineyard (express)
Myrtle Beach (express)
Nantucket (express)
Nassau (mainline)
Norfolk (express)
Philadelphia (express)
Pittsburgh (mainline, express)
Portland, ME (express)
Providence (express)
Raleigh/Durham (express)
Richmond (express)
Roanoke (express)
Rochester (express)
Savannah (express)
Syracuse (express)
Washington-National (mainline)
Wilmington (express)

[Edited 2006-09-24 02:11:17]
 
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:08 am

Heh, I'm so slow.  Wink
 
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:15 am

I know US operates out of the former EA/CO terminal
leased by CO...do they utilize all their gates or is there
room to grow?
 
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:36 am

Quoting ANNOYEDFA (Thread starter):
I tried to find the markets served out of LGA by Airways but couldn't find anything.

You didnt bother to do much research on your own, did you?
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:08 pm

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 6):
I know US operates out of the former EA/CO terminal
leased by CO...do they utilize all their gates or is there
room to grow?

They are very limited on space. The Terminal has two concourses, with very few gates, one of which is considered a dwarf concourse, used exclusively for shuttle. Express flights operate out of a normal jetways, with stairs leading to the ground. Many times there is a flight boarding and a different flight deboarding at the same time. At some times, flights are pushed back because there are too many flights located at the same gate.

The answer to your question is yes- all gates are utilized, and no- no room for expansion unless during off hours.

Next time book a connection through LGA- it's very interesting to watch the way they handle their flights.
 
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:20 pm

There have been talks that Colgan may start CRW out of LGA. What is holding them back is a lack of A/C.
 
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:47 pm

Quoting DILF (Reply 7):
You didnt bother to do much research on your own, did you?

It's a web site for information... Next time don't post at all... L!@#r
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:23 pm

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 3):
Most of these are Express flights using DH8s or Be1s.

Colgan operates a lot of the routes with Saab 340's...ITH being one of them.
 
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:28 pm

LGA is a smaller station than I thought.



How many daily flights does LGA get from US Airways?
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:05 am

Although it has been like 1.5 years, the majority my flights between LGA and PHL have been on mainline, A320/A321 to be specific. Is this not the case now? All Express now?

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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:10 am

US at LGA has a lot of flights, 180-200 or so, but not many passengers. The average size aircraft US puts there is very small. If the FAA forces US to increase average a/c size at LGA, you will see more human traffic.

The Shuttle concourse has plenty of room for more mainline flights to depart there (5-6 gates IIRC). The Express concourse is far busier, but seating is plentiful. US could easily pump up LGA seat count 50% and suffer no ill effects by using larger aircraft. Plenty of check-in counters, gates, concessions, club, etc. Overall a nice facility.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:20 am

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 6):
know US operates out of the former EA/CO terminal
leased by CO

At what airport? At LGA, it operates out of what was the Trump Shuttle terminal, built by The Donald for his fledgling airline. USAirways completed the terminal when it bought the Trump Shuttle, and moved on in.
 
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:22 am

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 9):
There have been talks that Colgan may start CRW out of LGA. What is holding them back is a lack of A/C.

Its been talked about and calculated. They would likely take weight penalties on every flight, however the high yields of the route would offset them.
 
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:42 am

The US Terminal was built for EA then EA/CO, but US took over the lease about mid-way thru constuction, allowing US to make some but not all desired changes to it's plan, it opened in Sept 1992. I am not sure when the EA Shuttle Terminal was built, I believe late 70's, early 80's and was eventually taken over by the Trump Shuttle, and at one time was also shared with Air Canada. The US Terminal is connected to the now US Shuttle Terminal in a way it is in essence one building but with a significantly different look. Most of the US Mainline flights actually operate out of the Shuttle building as it's design allows these flights to deplane front (jetway) and rear (airstairs) just like the Shuttle flights. On a full A-321 this can shave up to 10 mins off the turn time and is very popular with passengers who would be otherwise stuck in the back of the bus for an extra 5-10 minutes. Once inside the Terminal these customers follow lower level hallways right to baggage claim, ground transportation, and the street, an extremenly convenient option for inbounb US customers !


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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:54 am

The point is that LGA has saturated its perimeter zone. So CRW might support a flight; oh boy. We are talking about a slot restricted airport next to NYC. In a natural situation every flight out of LGA would be mainline and full to the rafters bound for LAX, SEA, etc which in turn would enhance traffic on express flights out of LGA! LGA passenger traffic would soar, without affecting congestion.

If the NY Port Authority wants to maximize their LGA resource, they would drop perimeter restrictions. This would increase the revenue to the Port Authority from LGA operations. Why not make LGA the premier NYC domestic airport?

JFK and EWR have now fully matured, and are rock solid. But LGA is suffering now. It needs to serve the whole nation to really function at its best.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 18):
JFK and EWR have now fully matured, and are rock solid. But LGA is suffering now. It needs to serve the whole nation to really function at its best.

Can LGA deal with the added aircraft movements? As it is now, it is pretty congested and delay prone. Or are you suggesting that, with the removal of the perimetre restrictions, airlines like US would reduce RJ/Prop use, and increase mainline jet service?

Still asking about PHL/LGA service. IS it all Express now? Cuase early morning, and late night arrivals were mainline not too long ago.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:26 am

Quoting ANNOYEDFA (Reply 10):
It's a web site for information... Next time don't post at all... L!@#r

In your original post, you said you tried to find out information on where US flew out of LGA ... but couldnt find anything? Where were you looking for your information anyway? For future reference, the US website might have been a good place to start - - or possibly the website for LGA itself.

And name calling is hardly necessary or mature. But then again, you've demonstrated your lack of maturity in nearly all of your posts on this site, so I'm not too surprised.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:27 am

Quoting Captaink (Reply 13):
Although it has been like 1.5 years, the majority my flights between LGA and PHL have been on mainline, A320/A321 to be specific. Is this not the case now? All Express now?



Quoting Captaink (Reply 19):
Still asking about PHL/LGA service. IS it all Express now? Cuase early morning, and late night arrivals were mainline not too long ago.

As I noted in my reply 2:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 2):
Mainline markets downgraded to Express recently include BUF, PHL.



Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 14):
The average size aircraft US puts there is very small. If the FAA forces US to increase average a/c size at LGA, you will see more human traffic.

The FAA's proposed new rules will actually not affect US nearly as much as they'll affect AA, since US sends a ton of its Express flights to small hubs and nonhubs, which will have exemptions from the proposed rules on aircraft size.

What will be more of a factor in leading to an increase in US's aircraft size at LGA will be their replacing two-thirds of the Chautauqua ERJ-145s with Republic EMB-175s.

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 14):
The Shuttle concourse has plenty of room for more mainline flights to depart there (5-6 gates IIRC). The Express concourse is far busier, but seating is plentiful. US could easily pump up LGA seat count 50% and suffer no ill effects by using larger aircraft. Plenty of check-in counters, gates, concessions, club, etc. Overall a nice facility.

Yes, US has plenty of room to expand the number of pax they move through LGA, as their operation has been significantly larger there in terms of mainline flights and seats in the past. Specifically, what is now the Express concourse once handled Metrojet in the not-so-distant past, so those gates were built with the expectations of mainline-sized aircraft and pax loads.

In terms of movements per gate, while it is not surprising that the US Shuttle concourse is the least-busy of all LGA terminals, it may surprise some to learn that the US Express concourse is in fact the most busy.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:30 am

Quoting Captaink (Reply 19):
Or are you suggesting that, with the removal of the perimetre restrictions, airlines like US would reduce RJ/Prop use, and increase mainline jet service?

Yes.

There are plenty of marginal RJ/prop flights happening out of LGA whose slots would be put to better use going to LAX, plus about 10 other western cities.

If they nixed the perimeter at LGA, the mainline mix at LGA would go up by a lot. Plenty of RJ/prop flying would remain, but only the strong performers.

I hasten to add that this would increase LGA tax revenue and fees by a lot. If there is a downside, it would take some load off JFK, but at this point, NY/NJ need to maximize the assets they have.

[Edited 2006-09-24 22:43:14]

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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:52 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 18):
We are talking about a slot restricted airport next to NYC.

Only until January 1st, 2007.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:23 am

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 23):
Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 18):
We are talking about a slot restricted airport next to NYC.

Only until January 1st, 2007.

Thats true. I think it will be very interesting to see what US does when LGA is no longer slot restricted.
 
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:33 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 21):
As I noted in my reply 2:

Sorry didn't notice. Thanks for the response though.

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 24):
Thats true. I think it will be very interesting to see what US does when LGA is no longer slot restricted.

That it would be.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:58 am

The FAA isn't dropping the slots at LGA. That idea got the axe.

Air Canada doesn't park at the US terminal these days. I see their aircraft parked at a different terminal. Can't remember which one.
 
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:21 am

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 26):
Air Canada doesn't park at the US terminal these days. I see their aircraft parked at a different terminal. Can't remember which one.

They park at the central terminal. Can't remember which concourse.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:58 am

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 23):
Only until January 1st, 2007.

You just keep telling yourself that.  Yeah sure

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 24):
Thats true.

No, it's completely misleading, and he knows that full well.

The FAA has already issued a Proposed Order to institute a rule maintaining the status quo at LGA during the time period between the nominal expiration of the HDR and the implementation of the new rule(s) to be instituted pursuant to the recent NPRM.

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 24):
I think it will be very interesting to see what US does when LGA is no longer slot restricted.

Well, the last time it happened, US announced (and in some cases began) completely new service from LGA to BDL, BED, BGM, ELM, HEF, PHF, ROA and additional service to ACK, ALB, BHM, BTV, BWI, CAE, CHO, CHS, GSO, GSP, HYA, LEB, MDT, MHT, MVY, ORF, PVD, PWM, RIC, SYR. And that's not counting the literally dozens of new routes added by Delta Connection, American Eagle, and Continental Express.

You can see why it turned the airport into a giant parking lot.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:08 am

"Only until January 1st, 2007."

LGA slots will never be dropped. Period. The airport is above capacity.

In the future, the number of slots will most likely drop and airlines will be forced to use larger aircraft.

When I say future, I mean 1/1/07.


As for US at LGA . . . is there any other station for any airline on the face of the planet with this Express/Mainline ratio??? It's an absolute abuse of LGA slots. US can no longer afford to fill even a reasonable portion of their slots with mainline aircraft. These slots (of which there are none available) should not be wasted on 19 seat aircraft.

To have a percentage of regionals is one thing. To have a half/half ratio(which LGA as a whole has) is not great either. But to use the majority of slots on rjs and turboprops is not only inefficient, but is unfair to other carriers that would like to use these slots for mainline flights.

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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:27 am

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 9):
There have been talks that Colgan may start CRW out of LGA. What is holding them back is a lack of A/C.

Probably because they are stuck in the EAS cities that RegionsAir was suppose to take over!
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:58 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 21):
What will be more of a factor in leading to an increase in US's aircraft size at LGA will be their replacing two-thirds of the Chautauqua ERJ-145s with Republic EMB-175s.

That's happening in Jan 2007 for the ERJ-175's to come in.
As a temp replacement, starting in Nov. Republic is sending in 170's to replace the 145's while they are sent to the paintshop to be painted in CO colors and sent to EWR.

What I'm worried about the ERJ-170 in Nov. is the gate space. Currently there's a mix of ERJ-145's, CRJ-200's, Dash-8's and Saab 340's at the express terminal. Right now it's like about 10-15 ft from wingtip to wingtip if there's 2 ERJ-145's parked side to side.

Hopefully PANYNJ will repaint the yellow gate line adjusted for the ERJ-175 before Nov. and start using the jetways instead of the stairs connected to the jetways currently because these won't work with the ERJ-175's.
 
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:23 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 29):
To have a percentage of regionals is one thing. To have a half/half ratio(which LGA as a whole has) is not great either. But to use the majority of slots on rjs and turboprops is not only inefficient, but is unfair to other carriers that would like to use these slots for mainline flights.

Agreed - however, I don't think LGA slots are worth much $$. With the perimeter rule, there is little to no additional mainline service that would make money for anybody IMO. ORD, STL etc are well served. The trouble is everybody is jealously guarding/abusing slots just becuase it's prudent to do so until they become more valuable- say, if perimeter were lifted.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:49 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 14):
US at LGA has a lot of flights, 180-200

Wow, then the LGA focus city is certainly bigger than PIT... Sad, but what can we say...

Quoting A330323X (Reply 28):
Well, the last time it happened, US announced (and in some cases began) completely new service from LGA to BDL, BED, BGM, ELM, HEF, PHF, ROA and additional service to ACK, ALB, BHM, BTV, BWI, CAE, CHO, CHS, GSO, GSP, HYA, LEB, MDT, MHT, MVY, ORF, PVD, PWM, RIC, SYR.

How long ago was this? There is no non-stop service from MDT to New York, as US I believe only serves PHL and PIT for the most part, and maybe CLT but not sure with that one...
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:50 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 29):
As for US at LGA . . . is there any other station for any airline on the face of the planet with this Express/Mainline ratio??? It's an absolute abuse of LGA slots

It's a joke what US has done with their LGA slots, way too many DH-8s. When CO first bought the slots during Eastern's liquadation they were flying big jets (DC-9s, 737-100s, 737-200s, 737-300s, 727-200s, M80s) from LGA to:

ATL 4 xs daily
DTW 4 xs daily
Buffalo 4 xs daily
Columbus 3 xs daily
MIA 4 xs daily
FLL 3xs daily
MCO 4 xs daily
TPA 2xs daily
PBI 3xs daily
Bermuda daily
RSW daily
SRQ daily

Along with nonstops to their hubs at Denver, Cleveland and Houston.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:34 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 28):
HEF,

Whats HEF? You stumped me on that one!
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 29):
As for US at LGA . . . is there any other station for any airline on the face of the planet with this Express/Mainline ratio??? It's an absolute abuse of LGA slots. US can no longer afford to fill even a reasonable portion of their slots with mainline aircraft.... (it) is unfair to other carriers that would like to use these slots for mainline flights.

How about you go whine about Eagle's JungleShuttle service to DCA and BOS? Now there's an egregious abuse of slots.  Yeah sure

The vast majority of US LGA flights go to small airports which haven't seen mainline service since deregulation and won't see it ever again. As A330323X has already pointed out, they'll be exempt from the rules because if they don't get small aircraft, they'd get no air service at all.

If PANYNJ would ever dump the asinine perimeter rule, you'd instantly see mainline use go up. Hello LAX, PHX, LAS, SFO, SEA, SAN, SNA, etc.

As for the big jet flights to Florida, why throw a bunch of money away (and waste perfectly good jets) on no-yield vacation flights? Let JetBlue and Delta fight it out if they want.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:58 pm

Quoting DILF (Reply 35):
Quoting A330323X (Reply 28):
HEF,

Whats HEF? You stumped me on that one!

Really? Manassas? They announced service there???
 
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:15 pm

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 36):
The vast majority of US LGA flights go to small airports which haven't seen mainline service since deregulation and won't see it ever again. As A330323X has already pointed out, they'll be exempt from the rules because if they don't get small aircraft, they'd get no air service at all.

I agree with on that. True US has a lot Prop/RJ flights out of LGA, but to small airports that really don't see much traffic at all, and won't be able to sustain larger jet service. So I am sure many are grateful for US flights. This also works for US, as there aren't many other airlines if at all on these routes.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:27 pm

all LGA-PHL is flown by express carrier. SAV is only seasonal, no direct service right now. same for LWB, no flights now. MVY, HYA and ACK services are winding down now too, no longer are they nonstops but the MVY and HYA are flown as one flight on one airplane.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:37 pm

Quoting Cancidas (Reply 39):
same for LWB, no flights now.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CHQ3290

Are you sure?
 
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:42 pm

LGA-PHL by all-Express makes sense. Really, what's the O&D on that route anymore? With all the new security requirements, you've got to show up an hour before a 20-minute flight that usually takes upwards of an hour once you factor in the inevitable PHL congestion and LGA ground delay programs. It's far, far faster to just take the train.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:48 pm

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 41):
LGA-PHL by all-Express makes sense. Really, what's the O&D on that route anymore? With all the new security requirements, you've got to show up an hour before a 20-minute flight that usually takes upwards of an hour once you factor in the inevitable PHL congestion and LGA ground delay programs. It's far, far faster to just take the train.

When I flew that route, I usually came in from the caribbean, and the flights between PHL and LGA were by and large connecting passengers, from the caribbean (on a saturday, GND, BGI, SKB, UVF, ANU, and other islands) and other parts of the continental US Many a times, the the aircraft was also full, and I hvae gotten bumped off of that flight on numerous occasions. But those mainline flights were usually every early in the morning I think 7 o 7:20 dept from LGA to PHL, and there was a 10 something PHL to LGA. I am not sure what went on during the day.

But it seems as though CLT is where the action is at these days.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:06 pm

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 18):
If the NY Port Authority wants to maximize their LGA resource, they would drop perimeter restrictions. This would increase the revenue to the Port Authority from LGA operations. Why not make LGA the premier NYC domestic airport?

They can't even get around the taxi lobby enough to get a subway line built to the airport, that right there hurts LGA. Further, the airport is already beyond capacity and removing the perimeter would intensify that. Why do you think DCA has its rules, which were in place WAY before it was fashionable to blame terrorism for everything? If they removed the perimeter, everyone and their mother would dump all kinds of flights to places like LAX, SFO, SEA and SAN and the place would clog faster than a low flow toilet.

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 22):
Plenty of RJ/prop flying would remain, but only the strong performers.

Any prop flight US flies is going to perform decently. I mean, they are flying to New York for crying out loud.

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 36):
As for the big jet flights to Florida, why throw a bunch of money away (and waste perfectly good jets) on no-yield vacation flights?

Actually, before B6 got heavy into the game, Florida was a big time yielding market and DL was taking something like 30% of their revenues from the state.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:31 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 43):
If they removed the perimeter, everyone and their mother would dump all kinds of flights to places like LAX, SFO, SEA and SAN and the place would clog faster than a low flow toilet.

Why would the perimeter rule have anything to do with this? Nobody said get rid of the slot rule - just get rid of the perimeter. Keep the same number of slots, but let airlines allocate them rationally.

US could get four or five LGA-PHX round-trips easy with the slots they have - just upgauge/downfrequency a couple RJ markets, which they're probably going to be doing anyway what with the EMB-175s coming in.

There's no Earthly reason why RDU needs 20-something 50-seat RJ flights a day to LaGuardia when SFO can't even get one 757. Now *that* is an utter and total waste. The perimeter rule is PANYNJ insanity, pure and simple.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:14 pm

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 44):
Why would the perimeter rule have anything to do with this? Nobody said get rid of the slot rule - just get rid of the perimeter. Keep the same number of slots, but let airlines allocate them rationally.

The issue is that you then lose service to a lot of communities that are too small or too close to get service to anywhere other than LGA. As it is, you have a gigantic airport not 12 miles away by road and only 9 nm to the southeast by air, along with another that is equally close to the center, both of which are better connected to transport infrastructure, that are far better equipped to handle heavy traffic. It would be like trading BUR for LAX, simply because it is closer to some people.

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 44):
There's no Earthly reason why RDU needs 20-something 50-seat RJ flights a day to LaGuardia when SFO can't even get one 757. Now *that* is an utter and total waste. The perimeter rule is PANYNJ insanity, pure and simple.

Again, I point to DCA, which is FEDERALLY mandated to its perimeter and is in a very similar situation to that of LGA. Now, if they wanted to do some sort of exemption program, perhaps, but it is really just a waste of perfectly good infrastructure (JFK and EWR) and expanding the gap between the aviation haves and have nots.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:34 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 45):
The issue is that you then lose service to a lot of communities that are too small or too close to get service to anywhere other than LGA.

Again, no you wouldn't. Just cut 5 of the 20x-daily RDU RJ flights. Upgauge a couple PHL flights back to mainline and reduce frequencies. Etc. etc. etc.

There is one massive difference between DCA and LGA - there are exemptions to that perimeter rule, allowing limited service out of DCA to beyond-perimeter points. There are ZERO such flights out of LGA. That makes no sense at all whatsoever.

Why should Dallas and Chicago get eleventy billion non-stop flights to LGA, but San Francisco and Los Angeles get zero? Absolutely nonsensical, anti-competitive and frankly downright un-American.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:44 am

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 46):
Again, no you wouldn't. Just cut 5 of the 20x-daily RDU RJ flights. Upgauge a couple PHL flights back to mainline and reduce frequencies. Etc. etc. etc.

And you actually think that would happen? No, the 20x RDU RJs would stick, PHL would stay express and bumshag Egypt would lose out.

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 46):
There is one massive difference between DCA and LGA - there are exemptions to that perimeter rule, allowing limited service out of DCA to beyond-perimeter points.

I see you failed to read my post.

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 46):
Why should Dallas and Chicago get eleventy billion non-stop flights to LGA, but San Francisco and Los Angeles get zero? Absolutely nonsensical, anti-competitive and frankly downright un-American.

Anti-competitive for what? The airlines? This is not an issue like at DAL where there is plenty of space and the competing airport is an absolute nightmare, LGA is the absolute mess in this situation and constrained anyway by its runways, while JFK still has times where you can roll a bowling ball down its runways.
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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:09 am

"Why should Dallas and Chicago get eleventy billion non-stop flights to LGA, but San Francisco and Los Angeles get zero? Absolutely nonsensical, anti-competitive and frankly downright un-American."

You're not running for office, so please get off the soapboax Uncle Sam.

How's this idea for un-American:

LGA is the first airport in the US to be overcapacity. It's been that way for a very long time. That means that there is no room for ANY growth whatsoever. There are EDCTs (Expect Dep Clearance Times) to LGA all day everyday. Sometimes it is a little as 10 minutes and passengers don't notice due to taxi times, but at least 40% of the time it is a delay in excess of 15 minutes.

These delays routinely are 1hr plus. The reason for the delays is the fact that there are too many slots for the airport at present.


If the slots went away, Legacies would rush to protect their gates and marketshare by adding an unsustainable amount of flying at the airport. Don't think it will happen???? Reference 2000, when the slots went away and 3 to 5 hour delays were the norm everyday at LGA.

And if you don't get rid of slots, but lose the perimeter rule, tell me why US Air would continue to waste a slot on Elmira or Corning or Marthas Vineyard when it could serve LAX, SFO, PHX, or LAS?????

LGA isn't a free marketplace because it can't be. It is a regulated airport. And as traffic grows in the US and new runways aren't built, it will happen at other airports.

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RE: Us Airways Routes Out Of LGA

Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:00 am

I wish you would all stop bringing up strawman arguments. Nobody here is arguing that slots should go away - only the asinine, anti-competitive perimeter rule. You're making yourselves look like fools by jousting at windmills.

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 48):
And if you don't get rid of slots, but lose the perimeter rule, tell me why US Air would continue to waste a slot on Elmira or Corning or Marthas Vineyard when it could serve LAX, SFO, PHX, or LAS?????

US Airways doesn't waste slots on Elmira/Corning. ELM has no LGA service at all whatsoever.

Besides, the perimeter rule doesn't stop service to major cities. Are you seriously arguing that ORD, DFW, DEN, MIA, ATL and MCO are small markets? Why should ATL and ORD be allowed to get umpteen daily flights when SFO can't even get one? It fundamentally makes no sense at all.

The small town service can shift to JFK if it has to. Why do you put the 50 people who fly every day from ITH to LGA ahead of the thousands of people who fly every day from LAX/SNA/LGB/etc. to NYC?
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