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When Will QF Fly 747 300 On AKL-LAX

Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:58 am

I missed out on a chance to see QF fly 747 300 on the ACK-LAX last November, because I live on east coast now. But I am amost willing to fly to LA just to hear those RB 2:11 524 D4 at full power. After NZ retired there 747 200 fleet nothing at LAX sound or look as exciting as those 747 200 flying LAX- ACK at take off. I know with a 747 300 on same route would take up as much as those NZ 747 200 or more and would be as loud. So is QF flying 747 300 nonstop to LAX and if so when?
 
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When Will QF Fly 747 300 On AKL-LAX

Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:15 am

First off ACK are airports in the USA, its AKL that your after.

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
So is QF flying 747 300 nonstop to LAX and if so when?

B744s are scheduled to operate the route year round. QF only send a B743 on the route when one of the B744s that operate AKL-LAX is in MX or out of service. You basically never know when a QF B743 will be in LAX.
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When Will QF Fly 747 300 On AKL-LAX

Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:45 pm

Can the 743's even make the route nonstop? That is pushing their range. The first plane well suited for that route was the 744 although the 747SP could fly AKL-LAX nonstop and did for Pan Am.
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When Will QF Fly 747 300 On AKL-LAX

Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:13 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
Can the 743's even make the route nonstop?

Yes they can! The return LAX-AKL is a bit of a push and sometimes tech stops at NAN for fuel.

As to the 743's to LAX they also operated between April and June 2006 on 3 flights a week, some stopped in HNL on the AKL-LAX leg due to runway works at AKL. Gotta agree I love watching the 743 take off to AKL to LAX fully loaded!
 
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When Will QF Fly 747 300 On AKL-LAX

Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:15 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
the first plane well suited for that route was the 744 although the 747SP could fly AKL-LAX nonstop and did for Pan Am.

What??? I flown QF's747-200 from LAX-AKL-LAX, ditto for NZ's and Pan Am from SFO. During a sixteen hour delay in June 1989 on the QF LAX-AKL (we were supposed to leave at 2245 finally did at 1400 the next day) that next morning QF morning arrival non-stop from SYD was operated with a 300 series instead of the SP, although going w/b we were told that it would have to make a tech stop at AKL for fuel.
 
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When Will QF Fly 747 300 On AKL-LAX

Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:25 pm

Quoting AirCop (Reply 4):

What??? I flown QF's747-200 from LAX-AKL-LAX, ditto for NZ's and Pan Am from SFO

I thought QF only stated AKL-LAX with the 744 around 1990? NZ and PA never flew SFO-AKL back then if thats what you are saying. NZ do now obviously.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 4):
that next morning QF morning arrival non-stop from SYD was operated with a 300 series instead of the SP

It would have been heavily weight restricted if it did!
 
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When Will QF Fly 747 300 On AKL-LAX

Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:39 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
First off ACK are airports in the USA

Actually, it is only one airport. ACK is Nantucket, CAK is Akron/Canton

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
Can the 743's even make the route nonstop? That is pushing their range.

Yes they can, and it isn't really much of a push. Remember, AKL is 2-3 fewer hours flying time.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
The first plane well suited for that route was the 744 although the 747SP could fly AKL-LAX nonstop and did for Pan Am.

The 747SP actually has longer range than the 744

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Quoting AirCop (Reply 4):
that next morning QF morning arrival non-stop from SYD was operated with a 300 series instead of the SP

It would have been heavily weight restricted if it did!

On the way back, yes, on the way to LAX it should have been ok. It probably tech stopped in HNL
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When Will QF Fly 747 300 On AKL-LAX

Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:10 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 5):
NZ and PA never flew SFO-AKL back then if thats what you are saying. NZ do now obviously.

I boarded a Pan Am 747 in SFO and 13 hours later landed at AKL. Ditto the return. The schedule in 1977/1978 I believe was once or twice a week. In 1979 this service was moved to LAX.
 
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When Will QF Fly 747 300 On AKL-LAX

Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:30 pm

Quoting AirCop (Reply 7):

I boarded a Pan Am 747 in SFO and 13 hours later landed at AKL. Ditto the return. The schedule in 1977/1978 I believe was once or twice a week. In 1979 this service was moved to LAX.

Ok, I wasn't aware that anyone had flown SFO-AKL non stop before NZ. UA at one stage had a SFO-HNL-AKL-SYD flight.
 
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When Will QF Fly 747 300 On AKL-LAX

Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:22 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
Can the 743's even make the route nonstop?

Yip

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
First off ACK are airports in the USA

Actually, it is only one airport. ACK is Nantucket, CAK is Akron/Canton

Thats not what a.nets airport data says. One in Ohio and Massachusetts
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RE: When Will QF Fly 747 300 On AKL-LAX

Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:19 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 9):
Thats not what a.nets airport data says. One in Ohio and Massachusetts

Yes, I know what it says, but that is a mistake. Here is a better resource.

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KCAK

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KACK
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RE: When Will QF Fly 747 300 On AKL-LAX

Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:09 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
First off ACK are airports in the USA, its AKL that your after.

Yes you are right! It is AKL, I just a little rusty on my airport code. Big grin
 
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RE: When Will QF Fly 747 300 On AKL-LAX

Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:20 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
The first plane well suited for that route was the 744 although the 747SP could fly AKL-LAX nonstop and did for Pan Am.

The 747SP actually has longer range than the 744

According to the a/c data, only in a ferrying capacity:

747-400
747-400 - Max cruising speed 939km/h (507kt), long range cruising speed 907km/h (490kt). Design range with 420 three class pax at 396,895kg (875,000lb) MTOW 13,491km (7284nm) with PW-4000s, 13,444km (7259nm) with GEs, 13,214km (7135nm) with RB-211s.
747-400ER - Range at MTOW 14,205km (7670nm).
747-400ERF - Range at MTOW 9200km (4970nm).

747-SP
Max speed 1000km/h (540kt). Range with 331 passengers and baggage 10,840km (5855nm), range with 276 passengers 12,325km (6650nm), ferry range with max fuel and 13,610kg (30,000lb) payload 15,400km (8315nm).
 
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RE: When Will QF Fly 747 300 On AKL-LAX

Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting B52murph (Reply 12):
According to the a/c data, only in a ferrying capacity:

The aircraft data on A.net is wrong, this has been settled for quite a while. Except for the 744ER, the 747SP has the longest range of any flying 747.
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