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Alitalia - Why EI Regies?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:02 am

I flew AZ650 YYZ-FCO the other day on EI-CRM and was curious why some AZ planes have EI as a reg and others are India regied...just curious...
 
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RE: Alitalia - Why EI Regies?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:06 am

I think these are leased aircrafts, likely from ILFC, but someone will know for sure and will pop-up in a while...  Wink
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RE: Alitalia - Why EI Regies?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:10 am

Is it not GPA? They are an Irish lessor.

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RE: Alitalia - Why EI Regies?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:13 am

Those aircraft are leased to GECAS which is Irish based (in shannon I think)

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RE: Alitalia - Why EI Regies?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:53 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 2):
Is it not GPA? They are an Irish lessor.

GPA (Guinness Peat Aviation) became GECAS in the '90s.......

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 3):
Those aircraft are leased to GECAS which is Irish based (in shannon I think)

And I presume they own some of Alitalia's aircraft. There are several other Irish based lessors. Check the Irish Aviation Authoritys website for a full -EI reg list.
 
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RE: Alitalia - Why EI Regies?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 4):
And I presume they own some of Alitalia's aircraft.

They basically for the important part of the AZ fleet; most Magnificent Sevens, and Embraers have an EI-reg. The old metal (M80's, 767, etc) is still I registered. Flew I-DISO this year twice (772) and the bird looks quite worn from the inside.
Anyway, it's a matter of time before we say "grazie e arrivederci" to AZ anyway  spin 
 
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RE: Alitalia - Why EI Regies?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:29 am

Just checked JP Airlinefleets 05/06, and EI-CRM is listed as leased from GECAS (listed as GECA, General Electric Commercial Aviation, ommitted the Services). The EI- registered aircraft in AZ's (incl AZ express) fleet break down to the following lessors:

ATR 72-202:
Tarquin Ltd.: EI-CLB/CLC/CLD/CMJ (all from this subtype, -500's are I- registered and from different lessors or owned)

Boeing 767-300/ER (other 763's owned or leased from AWAS, SALE)
CITG: EI-BDP (-35H/ER)
GECAS: EI-CRL/CRM (-343/ER)
ILFC: EI-CRD/CRF (-31B/ER) /CRO (-3Q8/ER)
PEGA: EI-DDW (-3S1/ER)

Boeing 777-243/ER (rest of 777's owned)
GECAS: EI-DBK/DBL/DBM/DDH

Embraer ERJ-170-100LR
GECAS: EI-DFG/DFH/DFI/DFJ/DFK/DFL (all from type)

Websites:
CITG: http://www.cit.com
GECAS: http://www.gecas.com
ILFC: http://www.ilfc.com
PEGA: http://www.pegasusaviation.com
Tarquin Ltd.: website unknown

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RE: Alitalia - Why EI Regies?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:22 am

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 5):
most Magnificent Sevens

Actually, the majority (6) are owned. Only (4) are leased.

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 5):
Anyway, it's a matter of time before we say "grazie e arrivederci" to AZ anyway

Not quite. Perhaps your still bitter about Holland no longer having a flag carrier?

[Edited 2006-09-25 01:53:35]
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RE: Alitalia - Why EI Regies?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:25 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 7):
Only (3) are leased.

4, see above

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 7):
Not quite. Perhaps your still bitter about Holland no longer having a flag carrier?

KLM is allowed to continue the use of the name Koninklijke (the K in KLM), wich is dutch for royal, making it the flag carrier
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RE: Alitalia - Why EI Regies?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:31 am

Noticed in the original post that there is a mention of Indian registrations on AZ's aircraft - are you sure you don't mean VP registered? I believe this is a Bermuda/Cayman Islands prefix, which presumably is used for some sort of financial benefit. A lot of Aeroflot (in fact Western-built Russian aircraft in general) are registered this way.

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RE: Alitalia - Why EI Regies?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:45 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 9):
are you sure you don't mean VP registered? I believe this is a Bermuda/Cayman Islands prefix

correct,

VP-B** is Bermuda
VP-C** is Cayman Islands

All VP- and VQ (only one, VQ-T Turks and Caicos islands) are related to the UK one way or another. Most of them are a Colony or are dependent.

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RE: Alitalia - Why EI Regies?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:52 am

With "india" he means "I" registration (i.e. I-DCS) other aircraft carry "EI" reg. Only russian carriers and bizjets currently use the "VP" reg.
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RE: Alitalia - Why EI Regies?

Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:56 am

Oops, silly me, of course - my apologies.

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