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ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:33 pm

I know I've read about this on here and in local atl papers. But, the taxi in time from the new runway is awful! I'm also aware that the closing of an older runway for resurfacing isn't helping. But I can't help but wonder if a better ground traffic pattern could be created, rather than clearing airplanes one at a time to cross each runway en route to the terminal. Anybody else have any input?
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:37 pm

That's pretty much the only option for now. At times it can take a half hour or more to taxi to the gates when you land on the new runway. There's simply too much traffic in ATL. I'd like to see the airport slot restricted. But that's not likely to happen.

ATL is a royal pain in the neck...especially days like yesterday when the radar failed for a while, leading to more ground stops.
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:46 pm

I've landed on the new runway 4-5 times and it was never that bad. Certainly longer than landing on 26R and heading into the "T" gates, but it's nothing like the reef runway in HNL. 30 minutes from the 5th runway? I've never had anything approaching that! Hard to believe, unless it's a wx day or something like that.
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:50 pm

Yest I had a 40min taxi to the gates. Weather was a little bit of an issue, but not as bad as it was later in the day. Two weeks ago I flew in around 10am monday morning. Great weather, but 30min taxi in time. I honestly think ATC should clear multiple a/c at once.
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:58 pm

Once they get the other runway back and running, there won't be alot of problems.

I came in on 10 last week- nothing more than a 10 minute taxi to the gate, it didn't seem far at all. The pilots made one of the high-speed turnoff that's more direct to the concourse, so that made it easy.

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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:39 am

Yesterday was just awful wasn't it! Our inbound from ATL was supposed to arrive at 14:30, turn around and head back at 15:00... it didn't come in until after 14:00, then we hit ground stop after ground stop with it not leaving until almost 21:00!

Then our RON flight that was supposed to arrive at 20:55 didn't leave the gate in ATL until after 23:30. ATL in their infinate wisdom put in an ETD of 23.15... only problem was that it was already 23:25 when they put it in, so hey, obviously we're not going to make that. We finally gave up and called dispatch only to be told it isn't out of the gate yet and we should expect roughly an hour taxi time before it actually takes off (once it does clear the gate). Long story short, our 20:55 arrival didn't come in until after 01:30 +1.

The best part of it is that we were something like 14 bags short when it finally did come in. Not sure how you're supposed to explain that to a passenger... since the first question they ask is why we couldn't get the bags on the plane since it sat there for 5 hours.

I've seen a lot of talk about radar problems and such. Our captain said something yesterday (since we had enough time to chat) about the placement of the new runway being something like 50ft too close to one of the others. Apparently this has buggered everything up because they can't run 3 parallel ILS approaches? Not sure if thats the case, but he said something about it.
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:45 am

yesterday was a bad day. I counted 30 planes waiting on 26R

Taxi time from 10/28 isn't that bad. I've timed an RJ at 7 minutes from turn off to ramp.
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:56 am

Yet another reason to continue to choose CLT and MEM to connect to southern destinations.
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:00 am

Just deal with it.......I hate the times from the north runway at IAH to get to the terminal, no matter which way you taxi in, it will take way too much time.

Any time you increase the number of runways at an airport to increase capacity something is gonna suffer as we know all too well. In order to meet the flight standards separation requirements in the USA, there are certain distances you have to keep between centerlines of runways to be able to conduct simultaneous dual/triple approaches....and that only addresses landings! Yes, the advanced navigation abilities in todays fleet one would think you'd be able to reduce some of this crazy criteria, but not yet! So we all have to suffer as a result.
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting Iahflyr (Reply 8):
So we all have to suffer as a result.

I agree we need to share in the suffering. But I'm not willing to accept that ATC has come up with the best possible traffic flow for dealing with this. We need some human factors people to chime in and help get this corrected.
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:18 am

Sure .. like CLT / MEM never have weather.

Of course 26L is going to exacerbate problems especially in the fall - now that we are between seasons. This work has to be done to the infrastructure - it is inevitable.

I notice coming in Friday that all the concrete has been removed from 26L/8R. Phoneomenal task to have completed inside of two weeks!
 
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:31 am

Quoting PeachAir (Reply 10):
Sure .. like CLT / MEM never have weather.

Sure, but unlike ATL, they aren't maxed out capacity wise, and handle weather much, much better. Also, during good weather, taxi/hold times are much smaller than ATL with good weather.
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:45 am

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 11):
Sure, but unlike ATL, they aren't maxed out capacity wise, and handle weather much, much better. Also, during good weather, taxi/hold times are much smaller than ATL with good weather.

It should also be noted that your limited as far as to where you can go out of these hubs compared to the cities and frequencies out of ATL
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:52 am

Quoting Micstatic (Reply 12):
It should also be noted that your limited as far as to where you can go out of these hubs compared to the cities and frequencies out of ATL

Certainly ATL has more destinations, but if i'm going somewhere that can be served via CLT or MEM, why choose ATL? That flight to timbucktu from ATL really does me no good if I'm flying somewhere that all three hubs support.
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:02 am

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 11):
Sure, but unlike ATL, they aren't maxed out capacity wise, and handle weather much, much better. Also, during good weather, taxi/hold times are much smaller than ATL with good weather.

It's "maxed out" only for another few weeks until the other runway is resurfaced. Then it reopens, and capacity is significantly increased to the point that it can handle the equally significant growth at ATL. It's simple math.

As for your claims as to who handles weather better, please provide us specific examples to back up your assertions.

Finally, and the DL/Air Tran/ATL people on the boards can back this up better then I can, but I would bet all the money in my wallet against all the money in your wallet that taxi times are on average less then CLT or MEM (which, by the way, combined don't move the number of pax that ATL does according to ACI http://www.airports.org/cda/aci/disp...i_content.jsp?zn=aci&cp=1-5_9_2__) .
 
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:06 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 14):
As for your claims as to who handles weather better, please provide us specific examples to back up your assertions.

Finally, and the DL/Air Tran/ATL people on the boards can back this up better then I can, but I would bet all the money in my wallet against all the money in your wallet that taxi times are on average less then CLT or MEM (which, by the way, combined don't move the number of pax that ATL does according to ACI http://www.airports.org/cda/aci/disp...i_content.jsp?zn=aci&cp=1-5_9_2__) .

The additional times added to the bloock-scheduled times over and above flying time (the time added in for taxi/hold) is longer at ATL than at CLT or MEM.

ATL-GSO has a 1 hr 25 min block time for a 44 minute flight (41 minutes of ground/taxi time added in) MEM-GSO has a block time of 1 hr 45 minutes for a flight that lasts 1 hr 25 minutes (20 minutes built in for taxi/hold time). If taxi/hold times at ATL are 20 minutes longer than MEM (and other NW hubs), then DL should be blowing NW out of the water in on time arrivals/departures. Oh wait.. .they aren't ...... NW is tops in the industry in on time arrivals/departures.
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:07 am

ATL is a clusterf$%k...I was just there yesterday and it grows increasingly worse. First off, we were held on the ground at CAE for 25 minutes due to the pattern into ATL. Then, once we arrived on the fifth runway, our taxi time into the terminal was actually longer than the flight from CAE-ATL. I do everything in my power to avoid ATL these days, as it is ridiculous. I tried flying CAE-MCO-FLL, but it was booked full, so unfortunately it was ATL as the connection.

I actually chose to fly FLL-DFW-CLE on AA recently to avoid a trip through ATL. I only fly AA, CO, DL and NW, by the way...so that is why I did not choose US or anyone else. And I could not get a cheap flight via DTW or MEM or I gladly would've chosed NW. The rolling banks did not work in ATL and that runway re-surfacing is not helping, but it still makes very little difference...why not have all departures on one side and all arrivals on one side?
 
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:19 am

Here's some background on the topic at hand. It may not directly answer all of the questions, but it is all related to 10/28 and triple-simultaneous approaches:

http://www.faa.gov/events/benchmarks...iple%20simultaneous%20approaches'

It's going to be rough over the next few weeks until 8R/26L reopens, though, especially on those bad weather days. Hoping for smooth connections on Oct 26 & 29 when I fly through.
 
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:27 am

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 15):
then DL should be blowing NW out of the water in on time arrivals/departures. Oh wait.. .they aren't ...... NW is tops in the industry in on time arrivals/departures.

Hmm...according to DOT's most recent stats NW isn't even in the top 3: http://www.bts.gov/press_releases/2006/dot092_06/html/dot092_06.html

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 15):
The additional times added to the bloock-scheduled times over and above flying time (the time added in for taxi/hold) is longer at ATL than at CLT or MEM.

ATL-GSO has a 1 hr 25 min block time for a 44 minute flight (41 minutes of ground/taxi time added in) MEM-GSO has a block time of 1 hr 45 minutes for a flight that lasts 1 hr 25 minutes (20 minutes built in for taxi/hold time).

You picked one route. I said on average I would wager that the taxi times are less ACROSS THE BOARD. Also, again, NW and HP/US do not enplane at CLT or MEM combined the number of pax that DL does at ATL. Furthermore, combined, they don't have as much of the domestic market share as DL does (11.9% combined vs. 12.1%). Come talk to me when they move as many people as DL does.

Good to see you have punted on the CLT/MEM handling weather better then ATL argument though.
 
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:28 am

Quoting PeachAir (Reply 10):
I notice coming in Friday that all the concrete has been removed from 26L/8R. Phoneomenal task to have completed inside of two weeks!

almost. There's still a good chunk left at H/A and C/D  Wink

Nov 8th is the "finish" date, but hopefully it'll open earlier. North side is a PITA in the mornings for inspection
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:35 am

Quoting Kraw (Reply 19):
Nov 8th is the "finish" date, but hopefully it'll open earlier. North side is a PITA in the mornings for inspection

Happen to know when the end around will be completed?
 
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:39 am

Yet another reason to continue to choose CVG and JFK to connect to southern destinations.

Yeah I think we'll stick with Delta, thank you.
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:50 am

I will add to the point about how flights are blocked in/out of ATL. If you look at any of the flights to/from my city to ATL they're all blocked at anywhere between 2 hours 10 minutes and 2 hours 28 minutes. As someone that works these flights 5 days a week, I can tell you that the flight time averages 1 hour 30 minutes flat... and sometimes even less, so that's quite a buffer they're building into the system.

I spent 14 hours at work yesterday just to work 2 flights since the system was so behind. Honestly I would have preferred they cancel our RON flight instead of it coming in 5 hours late, missing bags. By the time we had cleaned and serviced the aircraft it was after 2:30am... a shift that normally ends around 10:30.

On the positive side, you didn't have to rebook anyone since you knew the flights they were trying to connect on out of ATL were just as late. Still- a pretty bad day yesterday.

I totally agree with the "ATL is a clusterf$%k" comment. You'd think that being in DL's backyard ATL would be the shining star of the network, but its not, and it's rapidly becoming a city people will avoid at all costs. I had a Million Miler tell me last week that he's had enough with ATL, and since DL cut our CVG service he'll probably start picking up our NW codeshare flights through DTW just to avoid ATL. The poor performance down there is going to start affecting even our loyal customers, and DL better get their act together.

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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:54 am

Quoting Micstatic (Reply 9):
But I'm not willing to accept that ATC has come up with the best possible traffic flow for dealing with this. We need some human factors people to chime in and help get this corrected.

Then don't accept it......put out what you think a better plan is and tell me what is the ATC plan now in place!

Human factors people, mmmm wonder what they may offer for this.
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:59 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 18):
Hmm...according to DOT's most recent stats NW isn't even in the top 3:

NW is tops among legacy carriers.

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 18):
You picked one route.



I don't have time to go throug the timetables, but as someone who has flown through ATL a lot in the past, and now flies a lot through MEM, the taxi/hold times at MEM are smaller than at ATL. If you don't believe me, that is your problem.

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 18):
Also, again, NW and HP/US do not enplane at CLT or MEM combined the number of pax that DL does at ATL.

What does that have to do with anything? As a passenger, when I'm sitting in a plane #14 in line for takeoff at ATL, am I supposed to say "you know, since DL has a ton of flights here at ATL, its just fine that i will have to sit here on the tarmac for 30 minutes before taking off..." that doesn't make any sense. Maybe US and NW have decided NOT to build up a hub like DL has at ATL because smaller taxi/hold times and airports that have lower traffic allow for a better passenger experience. So DL has more flights/more passengers at ATL... thats precisely the reason the DL ATL experience is inferior!
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:37 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 20):
Happen to know when the end around will be completed?

looks like Feb 15, 07, but this paperwork is from 2 months ago and it could have changed. There's still tons of work to do over there
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:47 am

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 24):
Maybe US and NW have decided NOT to build up a hub like DL has at ATL because smaller taxi/hold times and airports that have lower traffic allow for a better passenger experience.

Or maybe its because its Delta's #1 hub and also because DL is a much larger airline than NW or US.
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:59 am

Quoting Delta787 (Reply 26):

Or maybe its because its Delta's #1 hub and also because DL is a much larger airline than NW or US.

Again.. if I have to put up with delays on DL, that I would not have to put up with on US or NW, I am not going to feel any better if the flight attendent says "there are delays here because DL is a larger airline than NW and US".

A delay is a delay is a delay. DL has chosen to make ATL what it is today... for better or for worse.
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:57 am

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 24):
What does that have to do with anything?

Because it is comparing apples and oranges.

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 24):
but as someone who has flown through ATL a lot in the past, and now flies a lot through MEM, the taxi/hold times at MEM are smaller than at ATL. If you don't believe me, that is your problem.

I don't believe you because you haven't shown the empirical data to back up your claim. You're a Chem Grad Student according to your profile. Do you walk into class and say "As a chem grad student I know 'X' theory to be true, even though I have nothign to back it up, and if you don;t believe me that's your problem."

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 24):
"you know, since DL has a ton of flights here at ATL, its just fine that i will have to sit here on the tarmac for 30 minutes before taking off..." that doesn't make any sense.

Do you think the average passenger cares how long they sit in line before takeoff so long as their flight arrives on time?
 
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:06 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 28):

Because it is comparing apples and oranges.

Well, if flying OKC-MEM-GSO is an apple, and flying OKC-ATL-GSO is an orange, then for comparison purposes, the apple appears mysteriously similar to an orange.

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 28):
I don't believe you because you haven't shown the empirical data to back up your claim. You're a Chem Grad Student according to your profile. Do you walk into class and say "As a chem grad student I know 'X' theory to be true, even though I have nothign to back it up, and if you don;t believe me that's your problem.

In science, we have lots of assertions we consider "common knowledge," because they fairly simple ideas, and it would be too time consuming to re-prove them to everyone. I make an assertion.. if you don't believe it, then you prove me wrong. I don't have time to go through the timetables and show the taxi/hold times for every flight from MEM and ATL. However, my personal experience, and the experience of what other posters have posted in this thread, says that I am right. If you don't believe it, then prove me wrong, or simply agree to disagree.



Quoting Positiverate (Reply 28):
Do you think the average passenger cares how long they sit in line before takeoff so long as their flight arrives on time?

I can only speak for myself. I hate sitting on the tarmac. However, as far as being on time, DL's on-time performance is inferior to NW's.
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:55 am

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 23):
Then don't accept it......put out what you think a better plan is and tell me what is the ATC plan now in place!

Human factors people, mmmm wonder what they may offer for this.

I would imagine there is ground traffic modeling software (that I don't have access to) to accomplish this feat. Unlike you I don't think pessimisim is the only way to look at these type of situations.
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:12 am

Quoting Micstatic (Reply 30):
Unlike you I don't think pessimisim is the only way to look at these type of situations.

AH my friend you don't know me very well....I don't even come close to pessimisim, I am here to tell you what I know from over 27 years experience in this industry, if that is pesimisim then fine, however I will tell you knowing how some carriers operate, they have licenses for well used modeling tools and use them for ground movement at their HUBS. These ground modeling tools I would imagine have been used at ATL as they have been at IAH when construction is going to impact an operation, even when there is not construction going on (yeah like when) at an airport, just for standard flows to find the most efficient operation.
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:34 am

Quoting Iahflyr (Reply 31):
AH my friend you don't know me very well....I don't even come close to pessimisim, I am here to tell you what I know from over 27 years experience in this industry, if that is pesimisim then fine, however I will tell you knowing how some carriers operate, they have licenses for well used modeling tools and use them for ground movement at their HUBS. These ground modeling tools I would imagine have been used at ATL as they have been at IAH when construction is going to impact an operation, even when there is not construction going on (yeah like when) at an airport, just for standard flows to find the most efficient operation.

Good response. My question would be how receptive is the FAA to incorporating these findings into what they set for standard ground traffic patterns. I guess my big question. Say you have a line of 3 jets holding short of the two parallel runways headed back to the terminal. Wouldn't you think it would be faster to send a few jets holding short at the same taxiway crossing? When I have landed there lately, they cross one and then seems they have a few landings or takeoffs before crossing another one.
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:46 am

I would probably have to agree that flying thru MEM is a much easier experience than ATL. Sure ATL is huge, DL's biggest hub, handles more passengers, etc etc. Does the average passenger care about that? Probably not. Same situation here in the midwest, I would choose AA thru STL or NW thru MSP any day before I would go thru ORD. Too many delays at an over crowded airport. My time is worth something.
 
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:56 am

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 33):
I would probably have to agree that flying thru MEM is a much easier experience than ATL. Sure ATL is huge, DL's biggest hub, handles more passengers, etc etc. Does the average passenger care about that? Probably not. Same situation here in the midwest, I would choose AA thru STL or NW thru MSP any day before I would go thru ORD. Too many delays at an over crowded airport. My time is worth something.

The other thing I probably should have pointed out earlier, is that my question was geared at people who look at ATL as an O+D market. People who do not have the option of hub bypass
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:19 am

Landing on 10/28 usually results in a minimum 20 minute taxi in. No big deal. The runway construction will be finished before Halloween. I love haveing the new runway. There are less ground stops and wheels up times than before. Runway maintenance is a fact of life. no big deal.
 
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:51 pm

Quoting Micstatic (Reply 32):
Good response

Thanx...does that mean bonus points.  Smile

Quoting Micstatic (Reply 32):
My question would be how receptive is the FAA to incorporating these findings into what they set for standard ground traffic patterns

Best be very receptive for if not I'd suspect the customers would be at the local facility pounding on the door for answers if not at a higher level in the food chain.....I know I would be.

Quoting Micstatic (Reply 32):
Say you have a line of 3 jets holding short of the two parallel runways headed back to the terminal. Wouldn't you think it would be faster to send a few jets holding short at the same taxiway crossing? When I have landed there lately, they cross one and then seems they have a few landings or takeoffs before crossing another one.

Would you believe, the arrival/departure rate is set with the consideration of the number of aircraft having to cross runways as a part of that rate? It is.....as well as things considered such as are they landing and departing the same runway, is LAHSO is effect and if so who can play in that arena? Is there any tailwind, are they more wake turb issues with this chunk of arrivals or departures so we have more chance to cross runways with airplanes between heavy jet or B752 departures......and on and on and on.
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:42 pm

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 27):
Again.. if I have to put up with delays on DL, that I would not have to put up with on US or NW, I


US? no Delays? have you flown through Philadelphia??

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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:03 pm

As for taxi-in times, I believe ATL is building taxiways around the end of at least one runway to eliminate the need to cross an active runway. Not sure how it will all work but I am sure if it moves traffic faster and safer, it will be done to all the runways. As is typical on a.net, most people here can’t see past lunchtime to recognize the runway rebuilding project is a blip in time.

All of you that want to bash ATL fail to note that ATL had one of the best on-time records in the country this summer – indicating the 5th runway is indeed working. There were far fewer ATC delays than there have been in the past.

While other cities have airports that can provide connectivity within the SE, there’s a reason Atlanta is the SE’s largest and most diverse city – ATL. In fact, the US Chamber of Commerce recently said that Atlanta is the fastest growing US destination for international visitors and it is precisely because of the level of air service, almost all of which is provided by Delta. Few cities in the world are connected to five continents and none offer as many flights to as many places as ATL. And Atlanta is the only city in the world that moves so many people through a single airport.

ATL works incredibly well and provides a level of air service that cities around the world would die to have.
 
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:45 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 38):
As for taxi-in times, I believe ATL is building taxiways around the end of at least one runway to eliminate the need to cross an active runway. Not sure how it will all work but I am sure if it moves traffic faster and safer, it will be done to all the runways. As is typical on a.net, most people here can’t see past lunchtime to recognize the runway rebuilding project is a blip in time.

That's Txy Victor. It's the 8R end-around. It will only benefit the north complex and aircraft being moved from City/Delta North to the ramp under tow. But, with LAHSO, Txy V and a west operation, you could almost move from the north side to the terminal w/o stopping.

speaking of lunchtime.....
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:36 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 38):
All of you that want to bash ATL fail to note that ATL had one of the best on-time records in the country this summer –

Too bad the facts say otherwise.

% of flights departing on-time for July 2006:

SLC 85.8
CVG 84.2
SAN 81.7
FLL 80.3
LAX 80.2
MSP 79.9
OAK 79.4
SFO 78.9
TPA 78.7
DTW 77.4
DCA 76.8
DEN 76.5
SEA 76.4
MCO 76.4
PHX 75.8
DFW 75.3
BWI 73.5
BOS 73.5
PIT 73.5
IAH 73.4
MIA 73.1
CLT 73.0
LAS 72.3
LGA 69.3
JFK 68.3
MDW 67.3
ORD 67.2
ATL 66.9
IAD 66.6
PHL 64.2
EWR 63.7

Imagine if airlines didn't pad their schedules so much....on-time performance would be even worse.
 
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:36 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 37):


US? no Delays? have you flown through Philadelphia??

The original discussion was about CLT and MEM vs. ATL. I was speaking only of CLT in regards to US airways.
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:50 am

I see a nice fare to LAX on Delta. The only problem is the connecting time in ATL is only 45 minutes. Will that be enough? I mean, we’re talking about 20-30 minute trek to the terminal after landing. Is that padded into the schedule?
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:08 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 42):
Will that be enough?

If everything runs on-time, it will be plenty of time. If your arrival from LAX is a few minutes late, you'll still be ok. If your arrival from LAX is delayed even more, then you're in trouble.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 42):
I mean, we’re talking about 20-30 minute trek to the terminal after landing. Is that padded into the schedule?

It's mostly padded into the schedule except for the recent delays caused by having one runway closed for overhaul.
 
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RE: ATL New Runway Taxi In Time

Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:53 am

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 40):
Too bad the facts say otherwise.

What about June and August.........lets get those in that list as well my friend!

P.S. Hey manipulate the IAH numbers to a higher level please, damn TRW+  Smile
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