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AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:22 pm

American Airlines will begin a fourth daily flight between Miami and Sao Paulo effective 13 December 2006. The current daily daylight flight number will move to a new redeye schedule, as already known, but the daylight flight will remain with a different flight number. AA's Miami-Sao Paulo schedule will be:

AA 2943 MIA 1205-2325 GRU 763 xMoWe
AA 907 MIA 0800-0715+1 GRU 763
AA 929 MIA 2200-0915+1 GRU 763
AA 995 MIA 2320-1025+1 GRU 772
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AA 998 GRU 0045-0600 MIA 763
AA 930 GRU 0130-0645 MIA 763
AA 2944 GRU 1245-1830 MIA 763 xMoWe
AA 906 GRU 2325-0430+1 MIA 772

AA will offer a total of 26 non-stop flights a week between Miami and Sao Paulo and 14 between Miami and Rio de Janeiro, in addition to daily service from Dallas and New York City to Sao Paulo, and a daily Sao Paulo-Rio de Janeiro feeder flight.

This year, AA will be offering more long-haul flights between Miami and deep South America than ever before, including 14 weekly non-stop flights to Buenos Aires, 12 to La Paz/Santa Cruz, 10 to Santiago de Chile, and 3 to Montevideo.

[Edited 2006-09-25 16:24:37]
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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:05 am

Where'd they get the a/c from?
 
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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:09 am

The 907 flight. You have listed leaving MIA at 8am getting into GRU at 7:15am. Do you mean 19:15? I hope they keep the dayflight and move it to daily on both sides of the equator.
 
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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:10 am

Eeechhh ... is there that much O&D demand from MIA to GRU that they had to launch it here?

They couldn't give DFW another international flight?


Well, such is the life of an international traveler from DFW ...
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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:15 am

Quoting Ssides (Reply 3):
They couldn't give DFW another international flight?

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Quoting Ssides (Reply 3):
Well, such is the life of an international traveler from DFW ...

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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:23 am

Quoting Ssides (Reply 3):
They couldn't give DFW another international flight?

They tried that; it didn't work out. DFW can't support more Brazil flights because it wrecks the yields. The second DFW-GRU flight worked so-so because they were able to load the plane up with cargo, which AA loved, but the passenger loads were fairly light and they scimmed the higher yields off the original DFW flight. AA is better off putting any additional Brazil-bound capacity into MIA because at least there they can head off some of the yield issues by balancing it with the unparalleled O&D traffic MIA can generate.
 
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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:52 am

Quoting Ssides (Reply 3):
Eeechhh ... is there that much O&D demand from MIA to GRU that they had to launch it here?

Yes. Brazil is to Miami what the UK is to New York City or Japan is to Los Angeles.
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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:14 am

I'm still waiting for the return of the flight to Barranquilla, shallow Latin America. I'm sick of Avianca. Per this board, AA has not used all their allocation to Colombia.
 
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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:14 am

Is this seasonal or permanent?
 
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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 7):
I'm still waiting for the return of the flight to Barranquilla, shallow Latin America. I'm sick of Avianca. Per this board, AA has not used all their allocation to Colombia.

I believe AA owes ex-employees in BAQ a good sum of money, and can't return without paying off those debts. Similar case to Tel Aviv, smaller scale.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 8):
Is this seasonal or permanent?

The slot exemptions, as with Delta's, were granted temporairily. If Varig isn't flying to MIA again by the end of the winter, than ANAC might want to extend the exemption.
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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:43 am

Did AA win additional rights to JFK as well?
727, L1011, MD80, A300, 777-200, 737-300, 737-700, 747-400, 757-200, 737-800, A320. E190, E135, 767-200, CRJ9
 
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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:44 am

Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 10):
Did AA win additional rights to JFK as well?

No, they never applied. It was expected they would, but they only asked for extra Miami flights. TAM is going double daily to JFK-GRU in December (and 4x daily to Miami in early 2007) more than making up for lost capacity by Varig, who I think will probably be back at MIA, and later JFK, within 6-8 months.

[Edited 2006-09-26 00:45:12]
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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:55 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
I believe AA owes ex-employees in BAQ a good sum of money, and can't return without paying off those debts. Similar case to Tel Aviv, smaller scale.

Would AA ever start DFW/MIA-TLV if this was resolved? Seems like a huge opportunity there.
 
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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:29 am

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 12):

Would AA ever start DFW/MIA-TLV if this was resolved? Seems like a huge opportunity there.

Unlikely. DFW-TLV is not at all viable. MIA-TLV is already served by El Al.
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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:34 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 7):
I'm sick of Avianca.

really such bad?
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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:50 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
(and 4x daily to Miami in early 2007)

Really? TAM is going to serve MIA-GRU 4 times a day by 2007? That's a lot of capcity between the two cities.
 
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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:58 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 15):

Really? TAM is going to serve MIA-GRU 4 times a day by 2007? That's a lot of capcity between the two cities.

Only 13 of the 28 flights are non-stop from Sao Paulo. TAM currently flies MIA-GRU 13x weekly, MIA-SSA-GRU 1x weekly, and MIA-MAO-REC-FOR 7x weekly. They will be adding seven weekly MIA-GIG flights in early 2007.
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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:04 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
Only 13 of the 28 flights are non-stop from Sao Paulo. TAM currently flies MIA-GRU 13x weekly, MIA-SSA-GRU 1x weekly, and MIA-MAO-REC-FOR 7x weekly. They will be adding seven weekly MIA-GIG flights in early 2007.

Ah, thanks. Very nice. TAM and AA are definitley going to try and lock the Miami-Brazil market down.
 
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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:06 am

Due to the TWA situation I don't think you'll ever see SA)">AA in TLV without some major concessions on the Israeli side. IIRC if any SA)">AA metal lands in Israel it will be impounded.

Back on topic: MIA-GRU can certainly handle the fourth frequency. Can't tell you how many times I go looking for a seat on that route and cannot find ANYTHING in J. For a while I was doing 930 (the daytime GRU-MIA) about once a month and I can't ever recall having an open seat in J. Obviously that doesn't take into consideration NRSA travel but the two times I was chatting to an FA and asked, once I was told no one up front was an SA and the second time I was told no NRSA pax made it on. Both times I was told it was an EXTREMELY difficult route to get on.
 
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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:14 am

AA's 4th flight is showing in a couple CRSs to run through Jan 30.
 
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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:48 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 17):
Ah, thanks. Very nice. TAM and AA are definitley going to try and lock the Miami-Brazil market down.

I guess they already do!!!
 
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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:40 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 17):

Ah, thanks. Very nice. TAM and AA are definitley going to try and lock the Miami-Brazil market down.

Until Varig comes back, they have all the non-stops in the market.
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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:25 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
The slot exemptions, as with Delta's, were granted temporairily. If Varig isn't flying to MIA again by the end of the winter, than ANAC might want to extend the exemption.

Very right, ANAC is really trying to keep the same level as past year plus 15% increase in seat offer. Without RG services to JFK (use to be 10x weekly) and to MIA (13x weekly), they allowed DL and AA. And there are rumors of more activity from DL.... they are trying a flight to the northeast ex-bilateral.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 17):
Ah, thanks. Very nice. TAM and AA are definitley going to try and lock the Miami-Brazil market down.

With a US$ 904 lower fare on GRU-MIA and US$ 1,174 on GIG-MIA, they are loving Miami-Brazil (even better with oil at $ 60's). To see how this market is important, GIG-JFK at AA keep the lower fare at US$ 1,145 ! Demand for Miami is really amazing !!!

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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:14 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 22):
With a US$ 904 lower fare on GRU-MIA and US$ 1,174 on GIG-MIA, they are loving Miami-Brazil (even better with oil at $ 60's).

The most important factor is that GRU commands Biz and First Class seats. The lower fare in Economy is just an extra value-added...

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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:51 pm

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 23):
The most important factor is that GRU commands Biz and First Class seats. The lower fare in Economy is just an extra value-added...

Fares are the same for business from Rio or Sao Paulo. Y fares were just mentioned to clarify demand and if you use the last 20 seats on Y i would never say "extra value-added", AA charges more than US$ 3,000 for a Full Y nowadays (use to be US$ 1,800).

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RE: AA To Begin 4th Daily MIA-GRU Flight

Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:22 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 24):
Fares are the same for business from Rio or Sao Paulo.

...but GRU sell much more seats in both biz and first. This explains the over-supply of Y seats in GRU for some routes, although currently there is no over-supply to GRU in any class.

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