Cessna057
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Why No CO EWR - GUM?

Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:55 am

I asked this in USAviation and did not get the response I was looking for. I also did a search on old forums and came up with nothing. So here it goes.

If CO has a hub/focus city in GUM, why don't they start a direct there from EWR or even IAH? It would make sense so that travelers could get to many different cities in Asia through CO.
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RE: Why No CO EWR - GUM?

Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:59 am

CO flight 1 is IAH-HNL-GUM

CO flight 7 is IAH-NRT-GUM

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[Edited 2006-09-26 05:03:32]
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RE: Why No CO EWR - GUM?

Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:07 pm

Welcome to Anet Cessna057  Smile

Quoting Cessna057 (Thread starter):
why don't they start a direct there from EWR or even IAH?

Actually CO does fly a direct route from IAH to GUM via HNL.
As for non stop service from IAH; it's just not going to happen in the short term. CO simply does not have the widebodies.
 
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RE: Why No CO EWR - GUM?

Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:10 pm

Quoting Cessna057 (Thread starter):
If CO has a hub/focus city in GUM, why don't they start a direct there from EWR

Will never happen, they dont have the expendable equipment for it. The best they can do is with their EWR-HNL flight that can connect to their flight from HNL-GUM that originates in IAH.
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RE: Why No CO EWR - GUM?

Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:13 pm

Quoting Cessna057 (Thread starter):
I asked this in USAviation and did not get the response I was looking for. I also did a search on old forums and came up with nothing. So here it goes.

If CO has a hub/focus city in GUM, why don't they start a direct there from EWR or even IAH? It would make sense so that travelers could get to many different cities in Asia through CO.

Hey! Welcome to A.net!

The best reason I can think of is the lack of a market for a non-stop (just a friendly reminder, as you'll more often than not get called on it, a non-stop flight is just that, a non-stop flight, a direct flight, on the otherhand, can stop in places, just not change planes, so CO actually does have direct flights from IAH-GUM via NRT and HNL). I would imagine that the market from the States nonstop to Guam is fairly small, and it's not really any major inconvenience to stop over in HNL.

Bottom line, the market from anywhere in the US (but especially the far northeast, i.e. the only places where it would be logical to connect in EWR vs. IAH) to GUM or the cities it serves is not worth the use of widebody equipment (not to mention it's probably too long, at 7950 miles) to get them there nonstop, when more than likely you can do it in two (IAH, HNL/NRT) or maybe three if you're connecting to somewhere beyond GUM. EWR also has a nonstop to NRT, so you can connect just through NRT if you're going to GUM, or GUM as well if your going someplace that Micronesia flys.

Hope this helps, and once again, welcome!

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RE: Why No CO EWR - GUM?

Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:14 pm

Thanks for the help (and welcoming Smile) you guys.
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RE: Why No CO EWR - GUM?

Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:29 pm

That would be a very long flight too. But there probably isn't a large enough market to support it. How does their GUM-HNL and NRT flights do?

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RE: Why No CO EWR - GUM?

Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:32 pm

LAX-GUM would probably be the route, but GUM runway is a bit short now (construction is underway) LAX is a major gateway for Military and Other pax bound for Guam and Micronesia, and MNL from all over the US, many use other carriers to get to LAX.. GUM-HNL is the main feed for HNL-LAX, CO is the only non-stop service via HNL to GUM ..NW and CO have flights via Japan, but many Military and Guam PAX do not have passports and the CO flights work well for them..many pax interline connect in HNL and NRT bound for GUM
 
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RE: Why No CO EWR - GUM?

Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:21 pm

Quoting Cessna057 (Reply 5):


These links should also help.  wave 
Why No Continental GUM-US Mainland? (by Flyf15 Feb 7 2001 in Civil Aviation) CO IAH/EWR-GUM Nonstop? (by Whiskeyhotel Aug 28 2004 in Civil Aviation) GUM To US Mainland (by LPLAspotter Jul 11 2006 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Why No CO EWR - GUM?

Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:27 pm

The arrival of the 787 will make EWR-GUM and IAH-GUM extremely viable routes.

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RE: Why No CO EWR - GUM?

Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:55 pm

Simple answer.
a) not enough traffic to justify a 777-200ER, which is the only aircraft that CO has that can operate it and
b) the route planning for EWR-GUM would be a nightmare; 207 min ETOPS is an absolute requirement, I think, to make that route work.

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RE: Why No CO EWR - GUM?

Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:50 pm

Quoting BAW716 (Reply 10):
b) the route planning for EWR-GUM would be a nightmare; 207 min ETOPS is an absolute requirement, I think, to make that route work.

Why would the ETOPS be 207 minutes?

[Edited 2006-09-26 12:51:07]
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RE: Why No CO EWR - GUM?

Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:05 pm

Yes E tops not the Problem Just EWR-NRT with IWO (Iwo Jima) and SPN as alternates..its Departure length runway in GUM (2 Short for Max payload)