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Air Baltic Fleet Replacement

Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:37 pm

Source is ATW Online. Air Baltic is supposed to order 12 Q300/400 plus options to replace its B737-500 fleet. Regional Jets have been ruled out. The Q400 might be okay as a 735 replacement - but the Q300? Or have we a first possible Q400X customer lining up here?
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Treg
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RE: Air Baltic Fleet Replacement

Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:34 pm

I guess they will use the Q300/400-s on their current F50 routes. To replace 735 with Dash seems little odd. Hardly nobody wants to spend 2+ hours on a turboprop.

Now the next question: when the big daddies at Copenhagen (read: SAS headquarters) will finally allow Estonian Air to renew their fleet? The speculations around RJs have been around since F50 phase-out (some 5 years ago) and OV is in desperate need of 50-70 seater (IMHO).
 
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RE: Air Baltic Fleet Replacement

Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:46 pm

Please read more careful original story: ATW website

It says: The Riga-based airline operates nine F50s, seven 737-500s and one MD-82 wet-leased from SAS and plans to exchange the 737-500s for a combined 12 dash 300s and dash 400s by next year.

It means: The Riga-based airline operates nine F50s, seven 737-500s and one MD-82 wet-leased from SAS and plans to exchange the 737-500s for a combined 12 Boeing 737-300 (dash 300s) and Boeing 737-400 (dash 400s) by next year.

That's it!

Answering question: when the big daddies at Copenhagen (read: SAS headquarters) will finally allow Estonian Air to renew their fleet?
---might be that it will happen just then when OV will be called Air Baltic
 
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RE: Air Baltic Fleet Replacement

Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:26 pm

The lease return for this 735 will get expensive as the RJ70s were and it will cost them again a lot of money and will eat up any profits for probaly the next two years. Additionally Ryanair will hit them strongly as from 2007 on most of their profitable routes. Latvian government made a good move to sell shares in BT, otherwise also Ryanair would not showed up in Riga. For example who wants to fly 2.5 hours in a Fokker 50 from RIX-HAM if Ryanair is flying for much less with a brand new 737-800 to Bremen ? For BT the first error was that they have no government lobby anymore what would preventing Ryanair operating to Riga International Aiport. Only for the arrival of Ryanair the airport charges has been changed and probaly some other benefits has been paid. BT could never compete with FR and should change to smaller aircrafts concentrating on SKs Hub feeders instead of trying to compete. Even big parts of the pilots working for BT are non-residents and working on high salaries, so even on the labour is no advantage anymore. Further more they pay at every airport list prices for landing, ground handling etc., so no special deal there and as well the inflight product sucks pretty much and the shape of the aircraft fleet. Just have a look on the maintenance tent at Riga Airport what they operating since some years already. I doubt that this a good facility ?!?

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RE: Air Baltic Fleet Replacement

Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:46 am

Quoting BT001 (Reply 2):
It means: The Riga-based airline operates nine F50s, seven 737-500s and one MD-82 wet-leased from SAS and plans to exchange the 737-500s for a combined 12 Boeing 737-300 (dash 300s) and Boeing 737-400 (dash 400s) by next year.

Now this is the funniest way to say Boeing 737-400. While reading the article I got an impression that airBaltic is looking for De Havilland Canada DHC-8 (also known as Dash 300 and Dash 400) airplanes...  grumpy 
 
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RE: Air Baltic Fleet Replacement

Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:19 pm

It is interesting to look at RIX airport statistics to see how Ryanair is 'pressing' Air Baltic:
In January:
BT - 58000 pax
FR - 51000 pax
In August:
BT - 109000 pax
FR - 60000 pax

Quoting Delta777jet (Reply 3):
Just have a look on the maintenance tent at Riga Airport what they operating since some years already. I doubt that this a good facility ?!?

This old tent is not used by Air Baltic for 5-6 years already, it's door was just marked with airBaltic. Actual BT hangar is bigger one next to it with possibility to accomodate 3 B737-500.

And actually looking from this side of Baltic sea must say that BT is not planning to return B735.
 
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RE: Air Baltic Fleet Replacement

Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:39 pm

Quoting BT001 (Reply 2):
---might be that it will happen just then when OV will be called Air Baltic

Hope it would not happen
 
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RE: Air Baltic Fleet Replacement

Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:05 pm

Ohh, I did not know that they got a new facility is that one which is is still in building process ? I dont know if related, but some of their 737 were withdrawn from service for some week or so and massive loads of flights were cnx ?!? Probaly this was in January  Wink

BT 001: Passenger growth for RIX is massive and for sure there is space for two carriers in RIX, but take in mind that the yields are quite low on the labour routes to Dublin, London etc. So the tendency is that prices decrease on all routes were BT get new competetion. If a Ryanair can earn money with a fare of 40 EUR it doesnt mean that Air Baltic can. The result will be full planes for both airlines, but with every pax BT is transporting the results will be more negative. As an good example you can take SkyEurope, they have also full planes but with every passenger losses increasing.

BT missed the train and for them only possible to survive on long run is to lower either the costs per seat (Boeing 737-800 or -900) and the operating costs at the airports or to change to low capacity and to concentrate on business pax, but this train they also missed as they dont offer any service at all and the business class product is a shame. So they really need starting to think.....
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