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Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:15 pm

I just received a fleet update from YYZNEWS.CA, thank you Mr. Dunn.

According to the updated info, AC will be receiving its first B777-333ER in Mar07 followed by one aircraft per month April- July 2007; the May aircraft will be the leased one from IFLC which will make it 5 B773ER in 2007, a 6th B773ER will be delivered in March 2008???

6 B772LR will be arriving starting June 2007 and ending in February 2008, with the freighter coming in 2009.

AC also appears to be returning some B763ER in the coming months and some A343X's by early 2007.

I am very interested in seeing the way AC handles the fleet transition. I believe AC is planning on building maintenance facilities for the B787s in YYZ, where will the T7s be based? I would imagine YYZ will see the majority of the initial B777 flights.

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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:12 am

Hey Kris, thanks for posting this info. Looks like a very concentrated 777 delivery schedule.

Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter):
AC also appears to be returning some B763ER in the coming months and some A343X's by early 2007.

This week's aerotransport.org newsletter reports that 2 of the AC 343's will be delivered to LAN Chile in early 2007. No indication of tail #'s but both will be 313X models (8 of the 10 AC 343's are this model).

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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:27 am

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 1):
This week's aerotransport.org newsletter reports that 2 of the AC 343's will be delivered to LAN Chile in early 2007. No indication of tail #'s but both will be 313X models (8 of the 10 AC 343's are this model).

It would make sense that the 313X models would be easier to find new operators for, I wonder what will happen to the -313,-312 models.

C-FYKX and FYLC will be the ones leaving the fleet.

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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:18 am

Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter):
I would imagine YYZ will see the majority of the initial B777 flights.

YVR will probably pick up later and we could see a 777 facility there.
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 3:27 am

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 3):



Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 3):
YVR will probably pick up later and we could see a 777 facility there.

Hopefully YVR will have some triples based there. If not, then YVR will just be twinkling lights 7 miles below with overflights.
 
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:20 am

I've been wondering for a while if the 777 is really "too much plane" for AC. Do they really need the increase seats over an A330/340? I realize the T7 is a more efficient plane, but even if it's flying around with a lot of empty seats?
 
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:49 am

YVR will definately see 777's. Most probably they'll -300ER's put on the HKG and NRT routes. In fact, in the original order for the aircraft, the press release stated that YVR-NRT would be the first route to receive the 777's. Who knows if that will materialze though. YVR though will probably be a major 787 base for Air Canada though.
 
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:05 am

Quoting Multimark (Reply 5):
I've been wondering for a while if the 777 is really "too much plane" for AC. Do they really need the increase seats over an A330/340? I realize the T7 is a more efficient plane, but even if it's flying around with a lot of empty seats?

In an abbreviated reply to each of your points:

No.

Apparently, yes.

I doubt the load factor will be significantly different than it is today.
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting Multimark (Reply 5):
I've been wondering for a while if the 777 is really "too much plane" for AC. Do they really need the increase seats over an A330/340? I realize the T7 is a more efficient plane, but even if it's flying around with a lot of empty seats?

You have a point and it is a good question, but only time will tell

Even a T7 will not make money if there are not enough pax on board...... and do not forget filling more seats is one thing and I guess the seat sale is just getting bigger too....  Wink

I am looking forward once AC received all their new metal so we can see how that totally new fleet will work for them in regard of load factor/profit

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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:19 am

Given Ac and Candian operated 744 to NRT, LHR and Hong Kong I don't think a 773ER is TOO much airplane for AC. Was the A343 enough airplane? probably not.
 
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 9):

I would agree with that.
It will be a good time of year for the first ones to come just prior to the summer season with more passengers. These new craft will also allow for pax expansion on the current long and heavy route structure.
 
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:27 am

Quoting Multimark (Reply 5):
I've been wondering for a while if the 777 is really "too much plane" for AC. Do they really need the increase seats over an A330/340? I realize the T7 is a more efficient plane, but even if it's flying around with a lot of empty seats?

Unequivocally...NO. AC has had record load factors for years now. 777LR capacity is virtually identical to the A340-500, which it will replace on HKG, and will beef up available business class seating on heavy demand routes on the A340-300 from 30 to 42 seats. The 777-300 will be deployed on heavy capacity routes such as LHR/FRA/NRT, and filling seats will not be an issue.
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:30 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 9):
Given Ac and Candian operated 744 to NRT, LHR and Hong Kong I don't think a 773ER is TOO much airplane for AC. Was the A343 enough airplane? probably not.

I guess if they made so much money and yield was good, they still would have them....., however the T7/787 is a strong combination and gives them a very flexible utilization

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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:27 am

Quoting Spyderz (Reply 6):
YVR will definately see 777's.



Quoting Spyderz (Reply 6):
YVR though will probably be a major 787 base for Air Canada though.

I'll be glad to see both AC's 777s and 787s around here, but I'll definitely miss the A345s. Too bad A346s never made it to their fleet.
 
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:56 am

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 2):
C-FYKX and FYLC will be the ones leaving the fleet.

So FINS 902 and 903 are going to be the first A340s to go.
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:40 am

To BOE773,

Even if AC only used them at YYZ, then YVR would not get any overflights. Unless then if a YYZ-HNL route opened. Overflights are routed generally thru YEG, ANC direction. I do believe that the 777 is way too much plane for AC at this precise moment, even if AC is an industry innovator.
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:54 am

Quoting B741 (Reply 15):
I do believe that the 777 is way too much plane for AC at this precise moment, even if AC is an industry innovator.

I disagree. The 777 is perfect for routes to LHR, FRA and HKG. This frees up additonal aircraft. In this case its 767's that can be used to upgrade current routes that need upgrading.

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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:30 pm

Not to mention is 773ER's much greater cargo carrying capability over anything AC flies now.
Even with lower load factors, if yield & revenue can be increased on the pax side and extra revenue generated by cargo would more than pay for the aircraft. The aircraft is ideal for long-range markets over the Pacific (eg. YVR/YYZ-NRT & HKG).
 
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:54 pm

I really doubt most passenger will miss the A340 especially the A343 after experiencing the 777 experience. There is no comparison particularly taking off on a ultra long haul flight and subsequent climb to cruising.
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:30 pm

Finally a North American airline running -300s.

Another interesting note; when the A330s depart, this will be the end of Rolls Royce powered aircraft for Air Canada which has been a RR operator for many years.
 
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:13 pm

Speaking of the A330s, I hope they can stay on for along time. IMHO they are superior to the 320, 340 types. But this is a spotters opinion.
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RE: Changes To Air Canada�s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:49 pm

Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 14):
Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 2):
C-FYKX and FYLC will be the ones leaving the fleet.

So FINS 902 and 903 are going to be the first A340s to go.

If the regs that were posted are correct, that would be 901 and 903.
 
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:47 pm

Can't wait to see 777s. Hopefully 6 777s will be painted Canadian NHL team Logo each just like the one you saw US Airways A319 painted NFL Philadelphia Eagles

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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:10 am

Any of the AC insiders know when the 773 will be put on the YYZ-LHR route? I am off to London at the end of March/07, would love to try out the triple seven, although both 343 and 333 are fav's.
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:04 am

Any news on the 762 fleet? Getting a bit fed up with seeing these at MAN, let's have more 763s, or even A330s?
 
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:35 am

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 24):
Any news on the 762 fleet?

I believe most of them will go to RG within the next few years.

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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:33 am

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 17):
Not to mention is 773ER's much greater cargo carrying capability over anything AC flies now.
Even with lower load factors, if yield & revenue can be increased on the pax side and extra revenue generated by cargo would more than pay for the aircraft. The aircraft is ideal for long-range markets over the Pacific (eg. YVR/YYZ-NRT & HKG).

A very important factor indeed as AC has had to lease the Gemini DC10 lately (2 years now?)to make up for the lack of cargo capacity caused by the 744 retirement.
 
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:44 am

AC is getting the widebody comfort of a 747 with the efficiency of a twin in its new 777 fleet. Now it can have the right capacity to many slot constrained airports it flies to. Air Canada is one of LHR biggest customers, their motto is,"from every city in Canada to LHR. Well it just turns out to be true, even from Gander and St. John.
 
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting Warren747sp (Reply 18):
I really doubt most passenger will miss the A340 especially the A343 after experiencing the 777 experience. There is no comparison particularly taking off on a ultra long haul flight and subsequent climb to cruising.

They will certainly miss the A340 when they get stuck in the middle-seat-wasteland of AC's 777 3-3-3 Y seating, vs the A340 2-4-2!
 
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:46 am

Some recent changes to AC's fleet (from aerotransport.org).

1. A 762ER was sent to Marana on Oct 2nd. Active 762ER fleet now 9. Also 2 762 non-ER still in service. Total 11 active 762. The recently retired 762ER was one of the 2 ex-China AL in the fleet.
2. One 320 removed from service in Sept. Active fleet now 49. 2 more will leave the fleet in Dec, 3 more in Mar 07, leaving an active 320 fleet of 44 in Apr 07.
3. One 319 removed from service Oct 1st. Active fleet now 44.
4. 4 763ER planned to be removed this fall, leaving a fleet of 29.
5. 3 343X wil leave fleet in 2007 (2 in April, 1 in Jun) leaving a fleet of 7 343 by Jul 07.
6. The OLDEST 343 and the only 312 in the fleet will leave the fleet in June 2010.
7. AC just took delivery of its 16th E190.
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:06 pm

Interesting listing there Yyz717, thanks for the info! Any idea on the fin for the 762? 615? 611?

Just got some training today on how to qualify FA's on the 777. Very interactive tools we have for it, and I can't wait to start the first qualification classes; going to be very cool! Our 777's will include things such as...

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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:02 pm

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 9):
Given Ac and Candian operated 744 to NRT, LHR and Hong Kong I don't think a 773ER is TOO much airplane for AC.

But one must consider that the three AC 744's were 74M's, and the four Canadian jumbos didn't last that long either...

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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:04 pm

Quoting Cessnapimp (Reply 30):
Interesting listing there Yyz717, thanks for the info! Any idea on the fin for the 762? 615? 611?

Hey Greg, it was C-FUCL #622 that was sent to Marana on Monday.

This particular aircraft was delivered to China Airlines in Jun 1983, and is msn #60 of the 767 line.
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:06 pm

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 32):
This particular aircraft was delivered to China Airlines in Jun 1983, and is msn #60 of the 767 line.

And previously flew with Air New Zealand, prior to AC operating the aircraft. Sister ship is fin #621.
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:42 pm

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 2):
C-FYKX and FYLC will be the ones leaving the fleet.

I did read somewhere that AC A340-313x FN901 C-FYKX is going to Swiss Airlines as HB-IMJ around Apr 2007.
 
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:49 pm

Quoting Psimpson (Reply 34):
I did read somewhere that AC A340-313x FN901 C-FYKX is going to Swiss Airlines as HB-IMJ around Apr 2007.

I recall reading that 2 AC340's will be going to Swiss too. Not too sure of the registrations, but that makes sense since SWISS needs more planes.

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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:08 pm

Air Canada will be able to grow in capacity as they can cash in on the increased visa restrictions in the USA, and partially replace MIA, LAX and NYC as hubs for connecting flights between Asia, Latin America and Europe.
The USA demands visa even for 1-2 hour plane change stayovers while Canada I believe doesn't.
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:30 pm

2 of the AC 343X are destined for LAN Airlines, according to aerotransport.org.
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:04 pm

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 36):
ir Canada will be able to grow in capacity as they can cash in on the increased visa restrictions in the USA, and partially replace MIA, LAX and NYC as hubs for connecting flights between Asia, Latin America and Europe.
The USA demands visa even for 1-2 hour plane change stayovers while Canada I believe doesn't.


That actually depends on the nationality of the pax. Most latin american pax would require a transit visa, at this point, to transit through Canada. However, it is much easier to get and less offensive a process for many latin Americans and thus AC has capitalized on some of the inconvenience and resentment (especailly among Brazilians) factor. In addition, I believe YYZ will establish a sterile transit zone allowing pax to transit without visas or 'entering" country through immigration, much like many European and Asian airports, and that is when YYZ will really stand to compete on the latin america-asia-europe business big time.

There are many many pax originating in latin America who would go out of their way and even pay more to avoid US, especially MIA.
 
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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:59 am

Quoting Warren747sp (Reply 18):
I really doubt most passenger will miss the A340 especially the A343 after experiencing the 777 experience. There is no comparison particularly taking off on a ultra long haul flight and subsequent climb to cruising.

To be honest 90+% of the general public wouldn't know or feel the difference in climb. Add to that the fact that despite the B777 being a fantastic plane it's cabin is much louder than any A330 or A340 variant.
As a frequent flier I can assure you that a quiet cabin is much more important than climb rate to passengers.
That said, I am anxiously awaiting the first AC B777s!  Smile

Quoting Multimark (Reply 28):
They will certainly miss the A340 when they get stuck in the middle-seat-wasteland of AC's 777 3-3-3 Y seating, vs the A340 2-4-2!

So true! I will miss the quick pop out to hit the loo etc... rather than climbing over two people.

Quoting Cessnapimp (Reply 30):
Our 777's will include things such as...

... oh c**p! Daily Show! Gotta go.

Stop teasin... give us the scoop. BTW how's the lens? Got any good pics yet?

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RE: Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet

Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:46 am

Quoting LH477 (Reply 23):
I really doubt most passenger will miss the A340 especially the A343 after experiencing the 777 experience.

The only thing I'll miss about the 340s is the (non)-IFE.
I find the 3-3-3 configuration of 777 cabins downright stuffy compared to 2-4-2, the seats seem narrower and there usually is less legroom - never mind the noise levels.

Sorry to see them go, although the prospect of brand new aircraft is appealing.

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