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AA And Their A300 Replacement - 787-3 Possible?

Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:14 am

Many have told me that Delta will not order the 787-3 as a replacement for their non-ER 767-300s, but convert some 767-300ERs to domestic as 787-8s and 787-9s enter international service.

What about AA's A300 replacement? None of the routes served by AA's A300s require the range of the 787-8, and on the routes served by the A300, cargo is in high demand. The 767-300 has less cargo space than the A300. The 787-3 may be the perfect replacement for the A300 fleet. What are your thoughts on this?
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RE: AA And Their A300 Replacement - 787-3 Possible?

Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:12 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
What about AA's A300 replacement? None of the routes served by AA's A300s require the range of the 787-8, and on the routes served by the A300, cargo is in high demand. The 767-300 has less cargo space than the A300. The 787-3 may be the perfect replacement for the A300 fleet. What are your thoughts on this?

But range = higher cargo. One of the big limitations of the 787-3 is that it cannot lift max payload at max range (it does one or the other). Which means that on the longer legs, the 787-3 will not be able to carry the lucrative cargo. I could easily see someone like AA saying that they will slightly abuse some 787-8s on some of these routes and use 763s that have been reassigned for the lower cargo and passenger demand routes. This also allows AA to reassign 787-8s (with appropriate pax configuration changes) when they need/want to.

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RE: AA And Their A300 Replacement - 787-3 Possible?

Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:34 am

AA just extended the AB6 leases for another 2 years meaning they'll be around for a while longer at least past 2010.
 
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RE: AA And Their A300 Replacement - 787-3 Possible?

Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:37 am

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 2):
AA just extended the AB6 leases for another 2 years meaning they'll be around for a while longer at least past 2010.

Which means they will be in service intill around the time the B787 is in airline service. AA might extend the leases for another two years till 2012, thats when the B787 line is booked out till. Unless AA can source some early production slots
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RE: AA And Their A300 Replacement - 787-3 Possible?

Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:05 am

AA should misuse 787-9 like the Asians misuse their 744 and 777's. Singapore call it, "intelligent misuse" of say a A345 from Singapore to Jakarta. ANA does it with 747-400D in domestic use when they are new for 4 years ands then they put a 3 class interior and you it for long haul routes.
 
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RE: AA And Their A300 Replacement - 787-3 Possible?

Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:09 am

The 783 is intended to be a niche aircraft for the Asian market. I still say none will be sold here, at least for a long time to come.
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RE: AA And Their A300 Replacement - 787-3 Possible?

Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:11 am

The AB6 will be around for AA. The 787 they order will replace 762 that fly transcon.

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RE: AA And Their A300 Replacement - 787-3 Possible?

Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:47 am

AA is real big on simplification right now. Most likely they will only order the 787-9 and put a majority of them on the east coast MIA, JFK and SJU. That will give them the flexibility to move the 777's to DFW, ORD and LAX.
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RE: AA And Their A300 Replacement - 787-3 Possible?

Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:52 am

If AA intend on using the airplanes until they are retired, then they might purchase the -3. If they want to re-sale, they better pick the -8

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RE: AA And Their A300 Replacement - 787-3 Possible?

Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:21 am

Quoting Shenzhen (Reply 8):
If they want to re-sale, they better pick the -8

AA isn't in the business to re-sale. The 787-8 could in no way way replace the A300. In a AA configuration the 787-8 would be a huge decrease in available seats. Don't forget the A300's hold 267 passengers and most of the time those flights are filled to the rim and often over sold.
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RE: AA And Their A300 Replacement - 787-3 Possible

Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:39 am

Quoting Akizidy214 (Reply 9):
n a AA configuration the 787-8 would be a huge decrease in available seats. Don't forget the A300's hold 267 passengers

How can a 788 represent a decrease in capacity when it's larger than the A306? In a two class config, the 788 can seat about 280-295 pax.
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RE: AA And Their A300 Replacement - 787-3 Possible?

Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:39 am

Quoting Akizidy214 (Reply 9):
AA isn't in the business to re-sale. The 787-8 could in no way way replace the A300. In a AA configuration the 787-8 would be a huge decrease in available seats. Don't forget the A300's hold 267 passengers and most of the time those flights are filled to the rim and often over sold.

Then AA better not buy a 787-3 since it shares identical cabin dimensions to the -8... A -3/8 would most likely seat a little more than the a300 with a similar mix of seats and one of the two is the likely replacement for some of their a300s. I think a mix of -8s and -9s are most likely for AA.

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[Edited 2006-09-26 23:40:27]