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The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:45 am

The word going around the airport today is that the airline will run out of cash and shut down on Oct 13th. Many employees have already left the company and many more are on their way to other carriers. How sad is this! A great regional to cease operations what a shame.  thumbsdown   tombstone   weeping 
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:01 am

Courtesy: Minneapolis Star-Tribune

Mesaba Creditors To Pursue MAIR Claims

http://www.startribune.com/535/story/706373.html
 
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:11 am

I'm very sad that the employees will lose their jobs. This is a very sad situtation on every level.

But the concessions they asked for from their already low-paid staff were just too much for employees to bear. We knew this day had to come to the airline industry sooner or later.

Airlines have been asking for more and more and more. Most RJ staff live at the poverty line to begin with; these are not the people to ask for concessions.

If my understanding is correct, NW forced Mesaba into bankruptcy when they stopped paying them as they entered bankruptcy. If that's so, shame on NW. They drove a good company out of business. Perhaps a harbinger of things to come.

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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 2):
If my understanding is correct, NW forced Mesaba into bankruptcy when they stopped paying them as they entered bankruptcy. If that's so, shame on NW. They drove a good company out of business. Perhaps a harbinger of things to come.

That's part of it, but the fact that most of Mesaba's liquid assets were transferred to MAIR also played a part. That's why the unsecured creditors are going to try to go after MAIR Holdings, as stated in the article.
 
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:57 am

so what are going to happen to the SF3 that are operated to small airport such as TOL, CHA and the like?
 
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:27 am

Courtesy: WCCO-TV

NWA Talks Go On; Mesaba Looks To Reject Contracts

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_271183245.html
 
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:28 am

With losses of 1,000,000/day and very little left in the bank, it may not be that long until the go Ch.7.
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:33 am

If Mesaba is/was such a great regional airline, why the awful gate waits on the C concourse in Detroit. If Mair is stripping assets, no wonder the workers are hurting -- had Mesaba stood up to the plate, like Pinnacle did, this would not have happened
 
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:01 am

Quoting Tys777 (Reply 4):
so what are going to happen to the SF3 that are operated to small airport such as TOL, CHA and the like?

could some of those be transferred back to Pinnacle? Didn't they previously operate them when they were operating under the name of Express I Airlines?
It would be hard to operate CRJ's to a lot of the smaller towns they serve. Alot of small communites only get the SF3 service from the MSP, DTW and MEM hubs.
 
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:08 am

I much prefer Pinnacle (although I don't like the CRJ - I prefer the SAAB) - but the DTW gates are pure Mesaba on Concourse C and B - what will happen to those? Of course, can't be much worse than today - land at Cxx, wait 20 minutes for the gate agent to figure out the jet bridge, and then another 20 minutes for the gate checked luggage. then, you lose your mainline connection on the A concourse
 
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:16 am

Would they possibly be able to pick up some CR7's and bid on the F9 RFP? I know that would cost a lot a money, but maybe F9 could cut them a deal or even purchase the company and then run the CR7's. Any thoughts?
 
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:18 am

As an XJ employee at DTW, I have heard so many story's of what is going to happen. The basic facts are though, XJ is losing a million dollars a week, and they have 10 million dollars in "flexible cash" left. I heard this a week ago, so that would mean about 9 weeks left??? I dont even know, so many things could change. The other thing, I guess Northwest (if they shut XJ down) will do it before the new year, if they can, so it will not hurt the next fiscal quarter, I really dont know much about financial "talk" but that it what I heard. As for alot of employees leaving XJ, the only ones to leave here at DTW were ones fired for too many incursions i.e. too many call offs etc. It does hurt to see XJ go, or at least knowing that soon they will most likely be gone. A lot of the employees know it and are facing it, most of them already have another job to fall back on, as I do too, plus with the transportation industry, you are eligible to collect unemployment for one and a half years, the most of any industry.
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:38 am

Will Pinnacle pick up the Saabs and ground staff ? I'm planning on flying NWA to CID at the end of October and I'm wondering if I should consider booking on DL instead. ( That would mean CRJs which I HATE ! )
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 8):

could some of those be transferred back to Pinnacle? Didn't they previously operate them when they were operating under the name of Express I Airlines?

Yes, but it looks like the CRJ is the only airplane on 9E's certificate right now, so it wouldn't be a seamless transition.
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:58 am

Quoting NorthwestEWR (Reply 12):
Will Pinnacle pick up the Saabs and ground staff ? I'm planning on flying NWA to CID at the end of October and I'm wondering if I should consider booking on DL instead. ( That would mean CRJs which I HATE ! )

you could always choose the mainline DC9 flights from MSP, we get 2 a day, in addition to the Saabs (3 flights from MSP)- and CRJ's (1 flight) or choose a routing thru DTW (3 daily CRJ's on NWAirlink/Pinnacle)
 
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:07 am

Didn't Mesaba used to fly to ASE? What happened there?
 
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:08 am

IMHO, XJ has been going down hill for years. Dirty planes in poor repair, poor on time record, slovenly staff. Me thinks its time to close the doors. I by some chance flew the same SF340 on a Sat. and the following Fri. (matching numbers) and the crap that was on the floor in row 1 on Sat. was still there on Fri.. If they don't care, I guess I don't either.
 
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting United787 (Reply 15):
Didn't Mesaba used to fly to ASE? What happened there?

No more Avros...
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:03 am

If Mesaba liquidates, the Saab 340s will probably be picked up by another carrier for pretty cheap (that is if they are owned by Mesaba, not sure if owned or leased - if leased, they go back to the lessor to lease to someone else).

A lot of the airports that the Saabs serve are Essential Air Service airports, which means that the government is subsidizing the flight (not sure how Mesaba is losing money with that subsidizing).

Of course bigger airports that get service from Mesaba will get service from Pinnacle or Compass with CRJs - instead of Saabs at TOL, they will get CRJs.

The EAS airports will need service, if not by Northwest, then it will be by someone else who can get a turboprop into those airports and fly to their hub.

Who knows, maybe Northwest will pick up a few used Beech 1900s so they can fly to places such as Alpena, Copper Harbor etc and make yet another subsidiary.
 
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:10 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 18):
If Mesaba liquidates, the Saab 340s will probably be picked up by another carrier for pretty cheap (that is if they are owned by Mesaba, not sure if owned or leased - if leased, they go back to the lessor to lease to someone else).

Isn't REX looking for S340's to replace their metro's? Bad news for one, is the good news of another...
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:20 am

I really hope this isn't the case. I've had five NW mainline flights and one XJ flight (one of their longer flights, IAH-MSP on the CRJ N602XJ), and the flight attendant was much more helpful than on any of the NW flights (although in-flight service was lower because it was an Airlink flight) and she visited with us in the cabin even after beverage service, answered questions for those connecting in MSP and anyone else who had questions. I hope things work out for her and the friendly flight deck crew.
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:28 am

Now lets see..........Mesaba in grave health........Feds ok NW request to transfer cert from Indy air to Compass..........

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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:32 am

One piece of this that we're perhaps forgetting is XJ's international routes. I'm thinking in particular of the minor Canada markets out of DTW all of which, I think, are exclusively Saab. If XJ went under, it probably wouldn't be too hard to get the DOT to move them over to 9E (mainline would be inappropriate for most of these places), but it adds another wrinkle.
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:42 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 18):
the Saab 340s will probably be picked up by another carrier for pretty cheap

Maybe Colgan or RegionsAir (if they are still around)... otherwise they might be desert bound!
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 18):
If Mesaba liquidates, the Saab 340s will probably be picked up by another carrier for pretty cheap (that is if they are owned by Mesaba, not sure if owned or leased - if leased, they go back to the lessor to lease to someone else).

All the Mesaba aircraft are owned or leased by NWA.
 
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:47 am

NW owes the Saab B+ models and XJ owes the A models. Although very few A models are around anymore, if any. I have only ever see and worked on one A model, N27XJ which I haven't seen any pictures of it on airliners.net. The last time I saw N27XJ was over a month ago.
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:52 am

Let's see, Northwest is driving Mesaba out of business, with even lower cost regionals. Delta is ready to jetison Comair unless their employees work for lower wages. Who's next? Maybe, just maybe, one legacy will be able to partner with a regional that uses Chinese workers, or some from Bangladesh, or India, or Vietnam. They can house them in dormitories at the hub airports. On layovers, the entire crew can bunk together. If they are allowed to send back 50% of their pay back to their families in their home countries, then maybe $10.00 per hour will be an acceptable wage. Yes, this is the answer. Of course, when this happens, the legacies will be back to their own employee groups with: "see how much you make compared to your regional 'partners'? If you don't agree to further concessions, we will have to replace more mainline flying with regionals.

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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:04 pm

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 26):
The Race to the Bottom. Can't you all see what is happening?

Yeah, pilots who won't agree to work for minimum wage. I am disgusted by their greed! (TIC)
 
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 2):
I'm very sad that the employees will lose their jobs.

Yeah, me too. Been there - 2x in less than 3 years in the airlines.

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 26):
The Race to the Bottom. Can't you all see what is happening?

Agreed. It seems to be the norm among the carriers, while Brigance (yeah, I know, different company, but one with whom I've had dealings through my airline jobs) and guys like him doctor numbers left and right. Of course, I don't trust the higher-ups much at all the majors.

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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:08 pm

Leave it to NWA to drive out Mesaba. This is crazy. They have been flying for then for years. To bad too. Becuase I flew to LEX a few year ago, and it was great fight and
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:40 pm

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 6):
With losses of 1,000,000/da

$1 million a week, not per day...

Quoting Nwase (Reply 16):
IMHO, XJ has been going down hill for years. Dirty planes in poor repair, poor on time record, slovenly staff.

That is not my experience at all. I find their service to be above average.
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:10 pm

Mistyped, my bad. Got moving so quick with the keyboard.
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:58 pm

Quoting NWA330 (Reply 11):
plus with the transportation industry, you are eligible to collect unemployment for one and a half years, the most of any industry.

You will get 26 weeks and if the government decides to extend that, you may get more...but otherwise it is only 26 weeks. The 1 1/2 years unempolyment plan was dropped a few years back, it was put into place because of 9/11.
 
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:15 am

Today, I flew Mesaba entirely - FNT - DTW, then DTW to SDF. Flight attendants were pretty down and out, and I suspect, today was my last RJ 85 flight. Sad to see them go, but, the rudeness and ineptness of the gate agents, and the whole Mesaba attitude makes it no surprise
 
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:37 pm

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 33):
Flight attendants were pretty down and out, and I suspect, today was my last RJ 85 flight. Sad to see them go, but, the rudeness and ineptness of the gate agents

That fits the current NWA culture as it is. It follows the trickle down theory.
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:09 pm

Nwaflyer - the ineptness, rudeness and down and out-ness is what you feel has driven XJ into bankruptcy? I assure you that the bankrupcy is NOT because of the employees at XJ. The Ch 11 filing is completely due to NWA and the inept and spineless managment team they have installed at XJ. The have managed to take a once great company and manage it into what it is today. The employees have been constantly squeezed for more while being asked to do it for less, with less staffing. They're just along for this awful ride and can't do anything about it, except vote with their feet.

Just stick to Pinnacle next time, becase they're a perfect airline without their own issues for sure.


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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 35):
Just stick to Pinnacle next time, becase they're a perfect airline without their own issues for sure.

9E has been consistently better than XJ service-wise for several years now. We can argue about why that is, but I and others here have said it over and over.
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:39 am

Courtesy: Minneapolis Star-Tribune

Mesaba Asks Bankruptcy Court To Bar Strikes

http://www.startribune.com/535/story/717104.html
 
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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:02 am

By what measure would you define 9E has been better than XJ? Ontime performance? Both nearly equal. Completion factor? Both nearly equal. Onboard service? They provide the NWA service parameters, which is dictated by NWA. Therefore, unless you've flown every single flight 9E or Mesaba has operated over the last several years, you cannot make that assertion. And good lord, using this website as a gage on the overall service on two airlines is a very misguided and clouded method.


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RE: The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:32 am

I've flown somewhere between 50-100 segments with XJ - the Avro crews were awesome, but it seemed like the SF3 crews were hit and miss... I did like the planes though. I agree with some of the other posts here, I'd rather be on a saab than a CRJ any day.

What happened to TOL getting CRJs? I remember flying on a few when jets were newly reintroduced to Toledo a couple years ago?
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