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1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:16 pm

A smidge longer than the 777-200 and grouped with it in the capacity chart:

Page 24

http://www.boeing.com/nosearch/exec_pres/Capetown_CMO.pdf
 
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:28 pm

I find Page 9 interesting as well (Projections of the aircraft needed over the next 20 years)

Single aisle comes in at a whopping 61%, so there's your Y1. Twin aisle is 23% (787/smaller Y3) 747 and larger comes in at the least with 3% (747-8I).
And surprisingly RJ is listed at 13%. It really appears Boeing is aknowledging that there is a market for RJs, and they could possible get involved.

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Thread starter):
A smidge longer than the 777-200 and grouped with it in the capacity chart:

Looks like it is going to be a long one. Nearly the same length as the 777-300.

And I'm guessing the 747-8 in that chart is before the extra stretch that was recently announced?
 
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:30 pm

Quoting KSUpilot (Reply 1):
Looks like it is going to be a long one. Nearly the same length as the 777-300.

Well it has to be longer since it is narrower than the 777 it will have to be longer in order to have the same capacity of the 772ER.

Randy probably included the the -10 because they maybe very, very close in getting the launch order for the -10 if not already have it in hand.

[Edited 2006-09-29 16:31:27]
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:33 pm

Hi,

Thanks for your post, that's a very interesting PDF!

That said, this guy really needs some help to photoshop pictures and logos Big grin

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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:40 pm

Boeing claim on page 37 that Airbus have a 90 tonne gap in their freighter lineup, while omitting the A330F. Naughty, naughty.
 
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:49 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 4):
Naughty, naughty.

That was also my reaction, at a glance. But it's basically true now. The A330F is still a project, and we don't have any more news since July.

Anyway, this PowerPoint is some sort of celebration for Boeing, the bias is evident!


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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:01 am

Quoting Rpaillard (Reply 5):
Anyway, this PowerPoint is some sort of celebration for Boeing, the bias is evident!

Uh it's a Boeing presentation. Do you think that an Airbus presentation is not biased?
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Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:09 am

Hi

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 6):
Uh it's a Boeing presentation. Do you think that an Airbus presentation is not biased?

YES! Of course! And that was my point (not very clear, that's right). It is marketing. The marketing is the same, worldwide  Wink

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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:21 am

I think they're using past numbers to sell the future, which I think is flawed.
Take a look at the graph on page 5 against the one on page 7. At some point frequency and non-stop will have to stagnate and the only way to keep up with demand is to increase airplane size. There's no way in hell that NIMBY's all over the World will continue to allow growth of airport infrastructure. If you can't increase the size of your airport and the number of runways, the only way to keep up with supply is by increasing the size of the airplane. And we're not even talking about curfews yet. Just you wait until people living around places like ORD, LAX, JFK, LHR, FRA, NRT, SYD, start demanding tighter airport curfews.
 
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Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:22 am

Quoting Rpaillard (Reply 7):
YES! Of course! And that was my point (not very clear, that's right). It is marketing. The marketing is the same, worldwide

Very true. Randy is head of marketing at Boeing. He's doing his job. Remember or marketing people will skew numbers to make themselves look good.
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Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:29 am

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 8):
At some point frequency and non-stop will have to stagnate and the only way to keep up with demand is to increase airplane size. There's no way in hell that NIMBY's all over the World will continue to allow growth of airport infrastructure. If you can't increase the size of your airport and the number of runways, the only way to keep up with supply is by increasing the size of the airplane. And we're not even talking about curfews yet. Just you wait until people living around places like ORD, LAX, JFK, LHR, FRA, NRT, SYD, start demanding tighter airport curfews.

You're missing the point. Fragmentation is the bypassing of airports like ORD, LAX, JFK, LHR, FRA, NRT, and SYD.
 
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:40 am

Quoting Rpaillard (Reply 5):
That was also my reaction, at a glance. But it's basically true now. The A330F is still a project, and we don't have any more news since July.

No one can buy one yet, therefore it doesn't really exist. Airbus isn't offering and hasn't launched yet, have they? I am certain they will, but when you're putting together a marketing plan, you don't include anything you don't have to...a product that has been talked about might as well not exist from that viewpoint. It'd be a little like Airbus talking about Y1 in their A32X pitches to customers.
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:50 am

Again on page 21, it claims a gap under 330-200, from 241 seats to 200. Which is the same gap for the 787-8, right?
 
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:56 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 10):
You're missing the point. Fragmentation is the bypassing of airports like ORD, LAX, JFK, LHR, FRA, NRT, and SYD.

I believe that the 787 (and other aircraft with similar design philosophy) will not just permit hub-skipping. It will allow flights from point-hub-point flying for many new destinations, rather than point-hub-hub-point flying, which is common for many longer journeys.
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:57 am

Quoting KSUpilot (Reply 1):
I find Page 9 interesting as well (Projections of the aircraft needed over the next 20 years)

Single aisle comes in at a whopping 61%, so there's your Y1. Twin aisle is 23% (787/smaller Y3) 747 and larger comes in at the least with 3% (747-8I).
And surprisingly RJ is listed at 13%. It really appears Boeing is aknowledging that there is a market for RJs, and they could possible get involved.

You need not look further then the pie chart next the one where you quote the potential number of frames.

Whilst the 747 and larger only represents 3 percent of the number of frames, it represents 10 percent of the potential market (dollar value) . The exact opposite is true for the regional jets... 13 percent of the frames, yet only 4 percent of the market value.

Most would chase the 10 dollar value vs the 4 percent, which is very much subsidized.

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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:07 am

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 8):
At some point frequency and non-stop will have to stagnate and the only way to keep up with demand is to increase airplane size. There's no way in hell that NIMBY's all over the World will continue to allow growth of airport infrastructure. If you can't increase the size of your airport and the number of runways, the only way to keep up with supply is by increasing the size of the airplane.

This is true. But also consider the current percentage of flights in RJ's and A319/73G sized airplanes.

How much of the current "congestion" would disappear tomorrow if the airports implemented a landing fee system that made RJ flights impractical? A lot of the increase in airplane size would be at the far lower end of the spectrum.
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:06 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 10):
You're missing the point. Fragmentation is the bypassing of airports like ORD, LAX, JFK, LHR, FRA, NRT, and SYD.

They're not mutually exculsive. At domestic level yes to some extent but not so much at intercontinental level. You'll be hard pressed for find non-stop service from CMH to anywhere in Europe or Asia, non-stop. Let me know when you any study that says hub passenger number will decrease in the next 25 years. It doesn't exist, because it ain't gonna happen. Moreover, the hub and spoke system is till the most effective for large carriers so you're not going to see that go away anytime soon.

That's the flaw in Boeing's marketing message. It's one sided, they only talk about the increase in point-to-point service and fail to address the increase in hub passenger traffic which will continue to increase as well.
 
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:24 am

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Thread starter):

This is a very good read,lots of info, this is the sort of thing i like.

well done.  bigthumbsup 
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:28 am

A good read, and it is interesting that the 787-10 was included and discussed. I think it is significant that they are including the airframe in this presentation. I also think it is important to note that the 777-200 is still in the presentation as well.
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:31 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 4):
Boeing claim on page 37 that Airbus have a 90 tonne gap in their freighter lineup, while omitting the A330F. Naughty, naughty.


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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 16):
That's the flaw in Boeing's marketing message. It's one sided, they only talk about the increase in point-to-point service and fail to address the increase in hub passenger traffic which will continue to increase as well.

Must be why that pesky 787 just isn't selling then.

Seriously, let go of the past.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 8):
Take a look at the graph on page 5 against the one on page 7. At some point frequency and non-stop will have to stagnate and the only way to keep up with demand is to increase airplane size. There's no way in hell that NIMBY's all over the World will continue to allow growth of airport infrastructure. If you can't increase the size of your airport and the number of runways, the only way to keep up with supply is by increasing the size of the airplane. And we're not even talking about curfews yet. Just you wait until people living around places like ORD, LAX, JFK, LHR, FRA, NRT, SYD, start demanding tighter airport curfews.

The 787 is 60% quieter than existing widebodies and you really need to wrap your head around market fragmentation. The 787 will open new markets, allow existing routes to remain and still permit growth.

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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:52 am

Quoting KSUpilot (Reply 1):
Looks like it is going to be a long one. Nearly the same length as the 777-300.

That is going to be a monster aircraft. I can't see them actually doing the "a.net rumored" -11. It would be longer than a 773 and nearly impossible to turn.

BUT what a fantastic sight to see. Especially for us lucky devils at KPAE.  Wink
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:43 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 21):
That is going to be a monster aircraft. I can't see them actually doing the "a.net rumored" -11. It would be longer than a 773 and nearly impossible to turn.

A B787-11 would be about one foot shorter than the A340-600.
 
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:44 am

Randy's Blog discusses this:

Quote:
For example, in 1990, all nonstop, long-haul service out of Johannesburg was to Europe, with 28 frequencies to just six cities. And at that time 100% of those departures from Johannesburg Airport were on Boeing 747s.

Now, looking at Johannesburg today, there are six times as many frequencies, and three times as many city-pairs.

In 2006 you can fly from Johannesburg directly to multiple cities in Europe, Asia, the Middle East, Australia, and South America.

As you would expect, these flights are being served with smaller airplane types that can now fly long distances point-to-point, such as the 777 and 767, A330 and A340. In fact, only about a third of the scheduled international flights from Johannesburg today are served by the 747.

And since 1990 the average airplane seating size per departure for long-hauls from JNB has dropped from 365 to 318 seats.

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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 23):

The problem with that specific example is that South Africa still had no overflight rights for most of the entire African continent...so their options for direct flights were severely limited by range and cost. It's like saying: "On Sept 12th, 2001, you could fly to only a fraction of the airports in North America than you can today. The growth has been ASTRONOMICAL!"

Sure it's true...but it's ignoring the practical and political realities of that time.
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Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:06 am

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 24):
he problem with that specific example is that South Africa still had no overflight rights for most of the entire African continent...so their options for direct flights were severely limited by range and cost. It's like saying: "On Sept 12th, 2001, you could fly to only a fraction of the airports in North America than you can today. The growth has been ASTRONOMICAL!"

Sure it's true...but it's ignoring the practical and political realities of that time.

Open skies, etc. has been continuing that trend... Wink
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:10 am

Some good points about the prospects for the A380, but at the same time Boeing is promoting the 777/787 as a team. Once the 787 is flying, the 777 will be an outdated product.
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:12 am

This caught my eye. On page 21, the footnote says:
Note: The 777s are shown with two seating configurations. The first number represents a premium economy class seating at 9-abreast and the second number represents a more standard economy class seat at 10-abreast.

I thought only EK used 10-abreast in regularly scheduled service. Is this a new tack for marketing the 777? And when you look at the numbers in the illustration it shows 777-300ER--365/380.

Going 10-abreast, will only get you 15 more seats?
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:24 am

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 27):
I thought only EK used 10-abreast in regularly scheduled service.

TG also use 10 abreast seating in their B777s.
 
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:38 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 28):
TG also use 10 abreast seating in their B777s.

Okay--but that's far from "standard".
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:45 am

There has been a 787-10X in Boeing presentations for quite a while, along with the 777-200X...
 
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:48 am

Doesn't Boeing risk cannibalizing its 777-200 orders when the 787-10 comes out?

Why should an airline still order a 777-200 when the 787-10 will offer the same amount of seating and offer greater range?
 
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:54 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 22):
A B787-11 would be about one foot shorter than the A340-600.

I'm just curious where you got pretty specific facts about an aircraft that doesn't exist... even on paper.

We don't truely even know how large the 787-10 might/will be if they do decide to launch it.

We only know the following to be fact:
A346 - 246'11"
B773 - 242'4"
B788 - 186'
B789 - 206'

We COULD assume (and we know what that does) that the B787-10 "might" be 20' longer than the -9. BUT how accurate might that really be? NO one knows... even Boeing is only presently potential designs to the customers for anything beyond 787-3, -8, and -9. (i have verified this with a friend in the 787 sales group.)
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:19 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 31):

Why should an airline still order a 777-200 when the 787-10 will offer the same amount of seating and offer greater range?

If they already had 777-200s and need more before the 787-10 would enter the market or need more than they could get of the 787-10 within a specific timeframe.

Price isn't the only determining factor for airplane purchases.
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:27 am

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 30):
There has been a 787-10X in Boeing presentations for quite a while, along with the 777-200X...

Indeed, the Flash animation on the intro to the Dreamliner site shows what is obviously a -10. The pic shows a plane way too long to be a -9.  Wink
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:29 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 31):
Doesn't Boeing risk cannibalizing its 777-200 orders when the 787-10 comes out?

Yes... a very important point no one should forget.

Its always better to canabalize your own product than have the business stolen away from you by a competitor.

IF/When the 787-10 comes out it won't be untill 2011-12 and that means the 772 will have had a decently long life. Thats not exactly cannibalizing but more of a possible replacement...

Additionally how we do know the 787-10 will truely have a much longer range than the 772ER (7730nm). As it stands if the -10 doesnt' have an increased MTOW over the -9 it may take a serious hit in range (300-500nm possibly or more) that COULD bring it below the 8000nm range. Still very impressive and higher than the 772ER but again... its better to kill off your own product early than to have business stolen because its "inferior."
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:06 am

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 29):
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 28):
TG also use 10 abreast seating in their B777s.

Okay--but that's far from "standard".

That's what, a 17" width seat? Standard on the 747 is 17.2", which is the standard on many widebodies. At 9 abreast, 777 Y seats are over 18" wide, which is about the widest Y seat on anything flying.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 31):
Doesn't Boeing risk cannibalizing its 777-200 orders when the 787-10 comes out?

Yes, but better than having airbus get them. This way they take some A350 orders instead of Airbus taking some 772 orders. 787s or 777s, either way boeing is selling them, right?
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:25 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 18):
A good read, and it is interesting that the 787-10 was included and discussed.

Why wouldn't they? They want to gauge interest compared to the 772, so they have to present it to customers and take questions.

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 20):
The 787 is 60% quieter than existing widebodies and you really need to wrap your head around market fragmentation.

Even the 748i is 10dB quieter than the 744, which is pretty amazing. Testing was just finished the other day confirming this using the GE90 engine technologies that were tested in phase one on the ANA 77W a while back. Since they have so much in service data on the GE90 and the 744, and have already done tests on the GEnx, they can easily extrapolate the impact on the 748i before it even flies.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/news/2006/q3/060920a_nr.html

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 27):
Going 10-abreast, will only get you 15 more seats?

Maybe they increased pitch? Needed to add more bathroom and galley space for those pax (a standard ratio should apply for comparison purposes). Also, one assumes they keep a standard premium ratio, which means that if you add 1 seat per row in Y, you would unbalance the Y count, so you might add 1 seat per row for 28 rows, but then back out 20Y seats and fit a J row in with 7 seats. Too many options to consider.

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 32):
We COULD assume (and we know what that does) that the B787-10 "might" be 20' longer than the -9.

It's called an educated guess. He is using a valid form of projection that is used all over the world in this type of discussion. You are right. He is adding 20' each time, and no, this isn't set in stone, but it's just hypothetical, and the point was that Boeing could keep it shorter than the 346 and still have it be large enough to be different than the 78X. I personally wonder if the 78X will end up being somewhere between the two, maybe at 25 feet and 310 seats...
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:46 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 36):
That's what, a 17" width seat? Standard on the 747 is 17.2", which is the standard on many widebodies

What I meant was, that with only two carriers using it, 10-abreast is not a standard 777 configuration.
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:52 am

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 19):
Naugthy like your nickname for A380 - Whalejet?

Well not so naughty as the A380 does look like a whale.
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:44 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 31):
Doesn't Boeing risk cannibalizing its 777-200 orders when the 787-10 comes out?

Why should an airline still order a 777-200 when the 787-10 will offer the same amount of seating and offer greater range?

The main reason why an airline might still order a B777-200ER is that it is available about 4 years earlier than the B787-10.

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 32):
I'm just curious where you got pretty specific facts about an aircraft that doesn't exist... even on paper.

We don't truely even know how large the 787-10 might/will be if they do decide to launch it.

We only know the following to be fact:
A346 - 246'11"
B773 - 242'4"
B788 - 186'
B789 - 206'

We COULD assume (and we know what that does) that the B787-10 "might" be 20' longer than the -9. BUT how accurate might that really be? NO one knows... even Boeing is only presently potential designs to the customers for anything beyond 787-3, -8, and -9. (i have verified this with a friend in the 787 sales group.)

Please check again. Boeing recently settled on 226 feet for the B787-10 (though it's obviously not cast in stone). I am speculating that a B787-11 would be 246 feet, as Boeing do not currently have plans to offer such a bird.

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 35):
Additionally how we do know the 787-10 will truely have a much longer range than the 772ER (7730nm). As it stands if the -10 doesnt' have an increased MTOW over the -9 it may take a serious hit in range (300-500nm possibly or more) that COULD bring it below the 8000nm range.

Boeing pitched a 540,000 lbs B787-10 to the airlines and it didn't fly. Now Boeing are back to trying to get GE and RR to commit to another 3K lbs or so of thrust so that they can offer a 560,000 lbs B787-10 with better than 8000nm range.

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 35):
its better to kill off your own product early than to have business stolen because its "inferior."

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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:38 am

I thought I read a statement by a Boeing official saying there'd never be a 787-11. I remember their saying it was too long of a stretch to be structurally sound.
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:43 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 40):
Boeing recently settled on 226 feet for the B787-10

Not trying to be argumentative or anything but i'm local to Boeing and have been following the 787 especially very closely. Do you have anything that actually says they have agreed on this? My source within the 787 project hasn't heard an official word on this yet. Just curious if you had a legitimate source for this?

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 40):
Boeing pitched a 540,000 lbs B787-10 to the airlines and it didn't fly. Now Boeing are back to trying to get GE and RR to commit to another 3K lbs or so of thrust so that they can offer a 560,000 lbs B787-10 with better than 8000nm range.

Yes i know about that. But at this point though... the engine OEM's have not agreed to this (which we all hope they will i'm sure). I think it would be a huge mistake for the them not to do this. Possibly they can do a GE exclusive like they have with the 773ER/772LR/777F. We all know they CAN do it.
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:04 pm

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 30):
There has been a 787-10X in Boeing presentations for quite a while

Not any available to the public.
 
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:08 pm

When will we see one of these for real like the 380's they are testing now?
 
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:28 pm

Boeing is using old images from the A350.It looks like the old version based on the A330...

Bad work,Randy!!!!
 
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:56 pm

Quoting Columbia107 (Reply 39):
Well not so naughty as the A380 does look like a whale.

Really, does whale have rollse royces and all those windows?
Whale is a beautiful peacuful animal, but to call A380 whale is insult. Only Zvezda does it continuos basis!
 
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sun Oct 01, 2006 7:57 am

Quoting Hamster (Reply 44):
When will we see one of these for real like the 380's they are testing now?

I'm not sure why it was deleted the first time, but the current schedule is for rollout 5/07 and first flight 8/07. The -10 model hasn't officially been launched yet.
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:03 am

Cobra, I do as well, I think whales are graceful animals.
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RE: 1st 787-10 Shows Up In Boeing Presentation

Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:50 am

You know, it just struck me, as unfashionable as it may be to say so, that regardless of which proves to be the ultimate dominate family, the simple fact of the competitive advancements to be included aboard the aircraft, like more comfortable interiors, better environmentals, etc, is just fantastic for us passengers, regardless of who wins.