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Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:08 pm

The first part got too darn long!
 
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:14 pm

i dont understand, if the plane went down, then what's up with the ELT? shouldn't there be a signal?
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:16 pm

This is terrible....

I just read on CNN that they aren't sure anymore if the EMB Legacy had something to do with it or not?? Any updates??
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:26 pm

If they have an old style 121,5 ELT (hope not) than that still leaves a huge area to search for...
Brasil has huge areas of jungle..they are probably lost underneath the trees!
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:33 pm

The Legacy was on it's delivery flight to the new owner: Excelaire: www.excelaire.com

Quote:

14500965 0 NEW ERJ 135 BJ Legacy N600XL not yet delivered

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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:38 pm

This is horrible new. I still hope everyone somehow miraculously gets out alive, and that the people are okay.

According to Norwegian Newspapers the Brazilian authorities are no longer sure if the Legacy has been in contact with the 737. They need more time to sort things out. Probably, since the Legacy pilots are not sure what they hit.

Hospitals in the region are ready to accommodate peoples if necessary.

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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:41 pm

May the victims rest in peace, all thoughts with the unbearable grief of the friends and relatives. Sad day for aviation too: first 737NG write off.  sorry   tombstone 
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:45 pm

Quoting Mika (Thread starter):
The first part got too darn long!

Yes it is! Therefor my question. Was the other plane an Embraer Legacy? I thought it was something like a small Cessna.

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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:46 pm

Quoting EHHO (Reply 6):
first 737NG write off.

No, it was the 2nd lost - the B737-6D6 7T-VJQ of Air Algérie was written off on 18-Mar-2006.
 
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:49 pm

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 5):
They need more time to sort things out. Probably, since the Legacy pilots are not sure what they hit.

How possible is it that they hit something different at the time another plane crashes near by. Or have both planes hit a third thing?

Georg
 
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part

Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:54 pm

It basically appears that the EMB should have been on a NW heading while the GOL was on a SE.

Possible the EMB was enroute to KFLL which has been a normal EMB arrival point with their facility there...a lot of EMB delivery trips go thru there. The purchaser of the EMB home bases up on Long Island.

One quote per Air Force was that one ac should have been at FL33 and the other at FL36. Has there been anymore on either route or altitudes yet? Additionally is the suspected crash point a frequently used high atlitude intersection in that area?

[Edited 2006-09-30 14:01:16]
 
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:59 pm

Quoting GRZ-AIR (Reply 3):
If they have an old style 121,5 ELT (hope not) than that still leaves a huge area to search for...

What could possibly be old style, on a 3 week old Boeing ??
 
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:02 pm

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 7):
Yes it is! Therefor my question. Was the other plane an Embraer Legacy? I thought it was something like a small Cessna.

Georg

There has been a damaged Embraer Legacy landing with a damaged wing. That we know for sure.

Quoting Viasa (Reply 8):
No, it was the 2nd lost - the B737-6D6 7T-VJQ of Air Algérie was written off on 18-Mar-2006.

I never continued following the Air Algérie bad landing. Anyone know the cause of this accident anyway?

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 9):
How possible is it that they hit something different at the time another plane crashes near by. Or have both planes hit a third thing?

Georg

This is a good question. I guess it is very plausible that these airplanes have collided with each other, but no one can state anything without any kind of evidence.
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:06 pm

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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:08 pm

--Sixteen anguishing hours have passed without any clue of the missing plane. Only some reports on local farmers that had seen the plane maneuvering an unusual descend path.

[Edited 2006-09-30 14:12:12]
 
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:10 pm

Just read this on the cnn site

"Local media was reporting the collision damaged the corporate jet, but no one on board was seriously injured and it was able to land, although its landing site was unclear. Local media reports also said farmers saw a large plane flying low in the area.

Brazilian television reported the collision was over the state of Para, which is remote and largely made up of rainforest.

A spokesman for Brazilian civil aviation said the flight left Manaus, Brazil, at 2:36 p.m. local time (1:36 p.m. ET), headed for Brasilia, where it was set to land at 6:12 p.m. After that, it was headed to Rio de Janiero and Sao Paulo. It disappeared from radar screens while over military-controlled airspace"
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:12 pm

Horrible news...
May all the people rest in peace.
Hopefully we'll now what went wrong soon.
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:19 pm

My thoughts are with the familes of those on board!
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:25 pm

Very sad... and now i need to fly from CGH to GIG and will walk in front of Gol check-in counters... i imagine the face of every Gol worker. I'm very sad.

Quoting GRZ-AIR (Reply 2):
I just read on CNN that they aren't sure anymore if the EMB Legacy had something to do with it or not?? Any updates??

During sometime all we will see are speculations, they need to find the plane and recover their black box to know exactly what happen. The Gol pilot does not report nothing wrong which IMO can show that the aircraft has been damaged. But it's pure speculation.

Quoting Viasa (Reply 4):
The Legacy was on it's delivery flight to the new owner: Excelaire: www.excelaire.com

Right.

Quoting Viasa (Reply 8):
No, it was the 2nd lost - the B737-6D6 7T-VJQ of Air Algérie was written off on 18-Mar-2006.

So, it's the first 737-800 write off, and probably is one or the young plane (fly only about 200 hours during 17 days) lost in an accident.

Quoting Index2006 (Reply 14):
--Sixteen anguishing hours have passed without any clue of the missing plane. Only some reports on local farmers that had seen the plane maneuvering an unusual descend path.

Rumors that they find the plane... waiting for further confirmation.

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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:28 pm

Quoting Viasa (Reply 4):
The Legacy was on it's delivery flight to the new owner: Excelaire:

Wow I know a pilot for them, he belongs to the country club right near ISP.

Rest in peace all souls. Terrible.
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:31 pm

CNN is reporting the wreckage has been found.
 
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:33 pm

According to Globo, the wreckage has been found!
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:34 pm

It has been found indeed, see http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Brasil/0,,AA1292204-5598,00.html

No news about the passengers yet.
 
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:34 pm

I really cannot say RIP yet... I pray that they're alive.  Sad
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:41 pm

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 22):

200 km the Southeast of Peixoto Azevedo, in Mato Grosso. The aircraft is in a place of difficult access.
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:50 pm

Here is another link about them finding the plane:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13545161,00.html
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:00 pm

Quoting Kalakaua (Reply 23):
I really cannot say RIP yet... I pray that they're alive

So do I but trying to place a 738 into a rain forest suggests otherwise. Let's hope there are some survivors.
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:05 pm

Quoting Kalakaua (Reply 24):
200 km the Southeast of Peixoto Azevedo, in Mato Grosso. The aircraft is in a place of difficult access.

Indeed, this is supposed to be same location where a local witnesses saw the aircraft flying low and also an farmer reported hearing asounds of explosion near what to be called Juranã farm, North of Mato Grosso State.
 
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:08 pm

Atleast for the families its good that they have found the wreckage.
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:10 pm

i just read it said no survivors have been found.....shit....


what the hell could bring down an NG like that?
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:14 pm

Although Excelaire is based in (and probably the home of the pilot's of the biz jet) is in the NYC/Long Island area and it's possible connection to the Gol crash, this accident is getting little attention by the local NYC area media. Here in the USA, it is getting only a little attention in the National media.
From looking at the website for Excelaire, this would have been their first a/c of this brand and model. They are apparently the leading charter bizjet, aircraft and helicopter service out of their base at ISP, providing private charter and service to celeberties and people in the financial services industry in the New York City and Long Island area (Long Island is a part of NY State east of NYC). Apparently it is a family run/small group owned company and I am quite sure it will really hit them hard if they had any part in this tragedy with the Gol a/c.
I would also suspect that the USA based pilots and crew of their a/c will be held in Brazil for a while for the investigation. Hopefully they will locate the Gol a/c, but apparently it is in very densly wooded area (per an AP/MSNBC news report), with trees 20+meters high, so very difficult to reach in any way. That probably explains why the search was delayed until daybreak today. Let's hope for a miracle for some survivors.
Of course it is wierd that both a/c are 'new' and one has to wonder if that may have been part of the problem here.
 
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:17 pm

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 29):
just read it said no survivors have been found.....shit....

Very sad...


Good luck to all the families,

May the Victims Rest in peace
 
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:18 pm

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 29):
what the hell could bring down an NG like that?

I am truly surprised about this aswell, there is something odd about a small RJ like an EMB 135 hitting/getting hit by a large craft as the B738 and actually making it down in one peice, whilst the B738 crashes. I can't let go of it, there is something odd about it. Of course it is possible and most probably it is exactly what happened but still.
 
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:19 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 30):
Let's hope for a miracle for some survivors.

 crossfingers   pray   worried 

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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:21 pm

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 29):
i just read it said no survivors have been found.....shit....

Brazilian Air Force is sending helicopters to the area. Any confirmation if there are survivors is pending upon Air Force info.

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 29):
what the hell could bring down an NG like that?

ANAC investigation will begin today, first comments are that PR-GTA crashed a Legacy (which landed safely in an Air Force Base) and disappear.

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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:23 pm

Horrible news. I just read it now
My prayers are with all the people and family involved
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:24 pm

It will be interesting who was in the place they should not have been Sad

These accidents are always 100% unfortunate. Fingers crossed there are some survivors and for those who have perished ,





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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:27 pm

Quoting Mika (Reply 32):
Of course it is possible and most probably it is exactly what happened but still.

The Legacy has to have hit a vital part of the 738. But I cannot imagine what that might be. If the eyewitness report is any accurate (the plane did crash in the area where the eyewitness claimed to see a plane flying low) the plane was flying low according to one, which indicates that it did not fall out of the sky. And another eyewitness says it exploded, which indicates that the impact with mother earth was extremely violent.
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:30 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 34):
ANAC investigation will begin today, first comments are that PR-GTA crashed a Legacy (which landed safely in an Air Force Base) and disappear.

--Do you mean it might have been a hit and run? Gol hit Legacy and ran away?
 
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:37 pm

Aruba, the cell-phone coverage in Brazil is far from 100% see http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_br.shtml
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:46 pm

Sky News reporting that the plane crashed vertically into he ground. (follow link) Surely this cannot be another case of rudder reversal. I thought Boeing had that sorted, especially on the new NG aircraft.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13545161,00.html
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:51 pm

We should not speculate and circulate wild rumours about what happened. I'm sure Brazil's air accident investigators are as competent as the world's best and they will get to bottom of this soon enough!
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:52 pm

If aircarft was flying low over rain forest is correct, then there is hope for survivors....
Remenber Air France 320 at Habsheim , huge crash noise, large fire, and only 3 people died and 100 injured out of 150 !!

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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:53 pm

Quoting A320ajm (Reply 40):
Sky News reporting that the plane crashed vertically into he ground. (follow link) Surely this cannot be another case of rudder reversal. I thought Boeing had that sorted, especially on the new NG aircraft.

It is apossibility that the collision with the Legacy could have caused the rudder reversal, depending on what part of the 737 was hit by the Biz jet.

May they all  tombstone   Sad



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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:54 pm

straight off CNN:

Crashed Brazilian passenger plane appears to have plunged vertically into the ground, Brazil's airport authority says, according to Reuters.

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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:58 pm

If the private jet said the 737 was in a descent when it hit him, then could there have been a problem to cause the 737 to descend before hiting the plane?
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:59 pm

Quoting CPHGuard (Reply 11):
Quoting GRZ-AIR (Reply 3):
If they have an old style 121,5 ELT (hope not) than that still leaves a huge area to search for...

What could possibly be old style, on a 3 week old Boeing ??

Still waiting on an answer to this one..

It's a brand-new plane. Why would it have such old equipment onboard??

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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:01 pm

Quoting A320ajm (Reply 45):
If the private jet said the 737 was in a descent when it hit him, then could there have been a problem to cause the 737 to descend before hiting the plane?

I guess everything is possible, especially as many of us here agree on the fact that the Embraer would have needed to do some crucial damage to the 737 in order to take it down. A theory that brings up more factors than just the collision sounds plausible at least to me.
 
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:06 pm

Quoting A320ajm (Reply 40):
Sky News reporting that the plane crashed vertically into he ground. (follow link) Surely this cannot be another case of rudder reversal. I thought Boeing had that sorted, especially on the new NG aircraft.

If one were to read the article you link, then follow your logic, are you leading the reader to believe that the "rudder reversal" phenomenon contributed to this accident after it was struck by the Legacy?

Bulls Eyes being painted on Boeings from the sound of this!
 
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RE: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2

Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:15 pm

--Infraero's president has said that the Embraer plane might have caused the accident when both a/c should be 300m apart also he didn't know why radars hadn't detected. The investigations should take ninety days for any answers. Passengers survival is unknown.

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