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Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:26 am

According to a local report TG "looks unlikely" to take their A380s

The new Suvarnabhumi airport was built to accommodate the huge planes, which never have carried a paying passenter. Thai Airways International was to buy several, but now looks unlikely to take delivery.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/breakingnews.php?id=113249

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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:27 am

Well, they need the capacity, and the A340-600 is not big enough. 747-8?
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1):
Well, they need the capacity, and the A340-600 is not big enough. 747-8?

If they do bow out of their 380s and the really need large single frame capacity, then yes the 748 would be the likely choice. However, I'm not sure a larger number of smaller birds (777/346) wouldn't fit better.
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1):
the A340-600 is not big enough.

The A340-600 is not big enough to do what? Carry passengers? Impress A.netters?
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:42 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 3):
The A340-600 is not big enough to do what? Carry passengers? Impress A.netters?

Do you think through your responses before you post?

It's not big enough to hold as many passengers as the A380 would have.

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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 4):
It's not big enough to hold as many passengers as the A380 would have.

Who cares? The A340-600 is big enough to meet TG's needs. The only disadvantage of the A340-600 is CASM. It is certainly not too small.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:52 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 5):
Who cares? The A340-600 is big enough to meet TG's needs

Then explain, why did they order the A380 in the first place? Someone who actually worked there obviously thought differently than you.

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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:02 am

Well, on a route where they could get a 95% load factor on a 747 would be very foolish to put an A340-600 on. Hence, the 747-8 or even the slightly bigger 777-300ER would be better (if they indeed cancel the A380).
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:04 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 6):
Then explain, why did they order the A380 in the first place? Someone who actually worked there obviously thought differently than you.

TG are interested in maximizing profitability, not airliner size. The idea that the A340-600 is not "big enough" is just silly.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:15 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 7):
Well, on a route where they could get a 95% load factor on a 747 would be very foolish to put an A340-600 on.

Maybe, maybe not. It depends on the shape of the demand curve. There is always a fare price at which one can get 95% load factors on a B747. That's true whether the airliner that maximizes profitability is an RJ or a B747.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:16 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 9):
Do you know anything about the aviation industry? It doesn't sound so. Read what Kaitak said:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 7):
Well, on a route where they could get a 95% load factor on a 747 would be very foolish to put an A340-600 on. Hence, the 747-8 or even the slightly bigger 777-300ER would be better (if they indeed cancel the A380).

The question is, how much are all those people paying? Obviously, if you have 400 seats to fill, you'll price it however you need to to fill them. If you can reduce your costs more than your revenue by flying a 300 seater, then there is no need to upgauge.

Certainly, if the 744's are full of high paying passengers, then the A380 might make sense. If not, then why spend the money?

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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:20 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 11):
The question is, how much are all those people paying? Obviously, if you have 400 seats to fill, you'll price it however you need to to fill them. If you can reduce your costs more than your revenue by flying a 300 seater, then there is no need to upgauge.

 checkmark  As airliner size increases, RASM always decreases. CASM usually decreases too, but not always. Profitability depends on the shape as well as the magnitude of the demand curve.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:27 am

I have no idea if TG is going to cancel the 380, but it seems that the aviation world has changed a bit since they ordered it - especially in terms of the 748i.

The delays give TG an opportunity to re-evaluate their 380 order in light of new alternatives. I have a feeling that it the 380 still looks better when all factors are considered then the order will stay. If other options look better then TG will take advantage of any cancellation clause that might be in the contract. I would say it is a toss right now for TG and, maybe for some other airlines.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:35 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 10):
There is always a fare price at which one can get 95% load factors on a B747

Of course, but how much about Thai do you know about in order to be making these complex decisions. To say, without any numbers or analysis, that:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 8):
The idea that the A340-600 is not "big enough" is just silly.

is ridiculous. Until you back that up with something, I will side with the Thai executives who made the decision, and most certainly thoroughly went through the numbers.

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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:37 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1):
and the A340-600 is not big enough.

TG's A346s definately are not big enough!
They are only configured with 267 seats!

So the CASM are even higher than other A346 operators...

eg. VS offers 308 or 311 seats...
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:44 am

I'd be very surprised if TG cancelled its A380s; there are various reasons, some political and some economical. For a start, Thailand is now ruled by a military junta and they would not like to send out the message that the country (or its airline) is rowing backwards. In other words, it's a pride issue for them. Don't think it doesn't have a place in aviation nowadays.

The second reason is that Bangkok is expected to be one of Asia's major gateways (of course it is already, but even moreso) and that means TG will need the uplift capacity. There are already quite a few routes, particularly to Europe, which will need it.

The other issue is that this media report is simply factually incorrect. It states that it's unlikely that TG will take delivery of the acft when TG has not formally cancelled the order, nor has made any attempt to do so.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:46 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
but now looks unlikely to take delivery.

Might be that the words "on schedule" are missing from the end of the sentence. We need much more than this even to consider it a rumor.

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 9):
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 8):
The idea that the A340-600 is not "big enough" is just silly.

Do you know anything about the aviation industry? It doesn't sound so.

Dude, you deserve a  footinmouth  for that. And you've been a member for almost two years?
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:50 am

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 15):
TG's A346s definately are not big enough!
They are only configured with 267 seats!

Does every TG A346 flight takeoff 100% full? If it does then they need more capacity.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:59 am

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 17):
Dude, you deserve a footinmouth for that. And you've been a member for almost two years?

What are you talking about?

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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:59 am

After reading the article I had to laugh.

Quote:
The jets seat between 481 and 853 passengers, depending on how close to one another the seats are.

Simplistic thinking. I am not taking this article seriously.

Quote:
Some lines, including Virgin Atlantic and Air France, are reportedly mulling cancelling and buying Boeing jets instead.

Hmmm... Virgin is going to wait for the A380. Air France...not sure but sure would look bad if the Hometown carrier canceled a hometown product.

I doubt TG will cancel. They invested in the airport to make it A380 ready and TG will need this plane. Even if they cancel, turn around and buy the 748i, they would have to wait even longer for a plane that can take their estimated capacity.
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:02 pm

One important factor, regarding Thai's A380 order, is being neglected here. If the Thai A380 order was deemed to be a backdoor deal with the government of the former PM, the country might see it as a "dirty deal", making it OK to cancel the order without Thailand losing face.

By the way, has anyone noticed how little commentary about the coup has come from Western leaders? I think that's because they think that it was justified.

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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:06 pm

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 6):
Then explain, why did they order the A380 in the first place?

"TSUNAMI-struck Thailand has been told by the European Commission that it must buy six A380 Airbus aircraft if it wants to escape the tariffs against its fishing industry.

"While millions of Europeans are sending aid to Thailand to help its recovery, trade authorities in Brussels are demanding that Thai Airlines, its national carrier, pays £1.3 billion to buy its double-decker aircraft. "

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=66782005
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:09 pm

Quoting Khobar (Reply 22):
"TSUNAMI-struck Thailand has been told by the European Commission that it must buy six A380 Airbus aircraft if it wants to escape the tariffs against its fishing industry.

"While millions of Europeans are sending aid to Thailand to help its recovery, trade authorities in Brussels are demanding that Thai Airlines, its national carrier, pays £1.3 billion to buy its double-decker aircraft. "

I remember that and it was pretty damned disgusting.. probably turned me more anti-380 than any other single piece of news.
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:12 pm

Quoting Khobar (Reply 22):

"TSUNAMI-struck Thailand has been told by the European Commission that it must buy six A380 Airbus aircraft if it wants to escape the tariffs against its fishing industry.

Wow, that's awful, I didn't know about that.

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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:23 pm

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 23):
I remember that and it was pretty damned disgusting.. probably turned me more anti-380 than any other single piece of news.

I don't think the article is as bad as it sounds. It was not related to the Tsunami as negotiations started before the storm. It's just that the timing made it appear that it was tied to Tsunami aid, so it looked disgusting but wasn't. That's how I read it anyway. As for the prawns for planes on it own, I as a Boeing fan, cannot crow about the US 97% prawn tariff.

BTW, I cooked some Thai prawns today (Black Tiger variety, cooked sezchuan style) and they were fresh, peeled, deveined and awesomely delicious.

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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:37 pm

TG needs the capacity, in fact, the new airport is already crowded (Don Muang was way over-crowded) and expansions are necessary. I'm surprised they only built 6 gates that can fit A380, TG can easily use 12 A380s with their current route networks.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:38 pm

I have no idea whether TG will actually hold on to its A380 commitment and I do not normally enter in these kinds of topics, but one should not underestimate the importance of the SQ factor here in the region. TG, and even more so MH, are obsessed enough with any ventures on which SQ embarks to almost blindly copy the former's plans. That is the reason why TG's A345s ended up being 2-class aircraft while the A346s are configured in 3 classes. That is also big part of the reason why MH ordered the A380s, while I am quite certain that they could very well do without. It may sound silly to many of you, but it is a mindset which definitely plays a major role here in the region.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:08 pm

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 26):
I'm surprised they only built 6 gates that can fit A380, TG can easily use 12 A380s with their current route networks.

With 6 gates, Thai can have 36 daily A380 departures. That is quite enough for now.

(note: not all the A380s will be on the ground at the same given time)
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:13 pm

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 21):
One important factor, regarding Thai's A380 order, is being neglected here. If the Thai A380 order was deemed to be a backdoor deal with the government of the former PM, the country might see it as a "dirty deal", making it OK to cancel the order without Thailand losing face.



Quoting Khobar (Reply 22):
"TSUNAMI-struck Thailand has been told by the European Commission that it must buy six A380 Airbus aircraft if it wants to escape the tariffs against its fishing industry.

If the report was accurate and the tariffs were applied even after the A380s were ordered and that was the "quid pro quo" then the Thais were well within reason (it might be a different matter with the actual contract, but the delays would likely be cited.)
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:14 pm

Quoting Justloveplanes (Reply 25):
I don't think the article is as bad as it sounds. It was not related to the Tsunami as negotiations started before the storm. It's just that the timing made it appear that it was tied to Tsunami aid, so it looked disgusting but wasn't. That's how I read it anyway. As for the prawns for planes on it own, I as a Boeing fan, cannot crow about the US 97% prawn tariff.

Actually I was referring to what happened rather than the article. Honestly those discussions should have been put on the back-burner if not dropped entirely. I was appauled that while people were suffering governments were strong-arming what is essential poor and working class citizens... Shameful (and not Airbus's fault.. but definitely tainted the 380 IMHO)
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:17 pm

Actually, I don't think the article give any evidence that TG is considering cancellation. The journalist uses senstionalist language by writing that the planes may never get delivered. That may be true, but no data is provided to support that contention.

"
Thai Airways International was to buy several, but now looks unlikely to take delivery.

The company said after hours of debate in Amsterdam that the A380 problems were discussed and would be again "in the near future."
"

After that first sentence quoted above, the focus of the ariticle is all about Airbus, and not about TG's intentions.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:37 pm

Not like the U.S. ever leans on governments to "buy Boeing" or anything.

Anyone seen those new El Al A330s?
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:41 pm

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 32):
Not like the U.S. ever leans on governments to "buy Boeing" or anything.

"Leaning on someone" versus threatening tariffs on a natural disaster ravaged country? Ridiculous.

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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:50 pm

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 32):
Not like the U.S. ever leans on governments to "buy Boeing" or anything.

Anyone seen those new El Al A330s?

In the case of El Al, Israel is a nation that benefits from billions of dollars in military aide from the United States on an annual basis. They should be rightfully be pressured to do business with the United States in return.

That being said, the U.S. has never traded a Boeing order for bilateral rights, trade recognition, or tariff negotiations.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:54 pm

Those negotiations were done before the Tsunami.

In other news, the U.S. hit Thailand and India with new tariffs on their seafood exports, less than two weeks after the Tsunami.

http://www.reason.com/links/links012005.shtml

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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:00 pm

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 35):
In other news, the U.S. hit Thailand and India with new tariffs on their seafood exports, less than two weeks after the Tsunami.

Doesn't make that right either.. both are disgraceful.
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:04 pm

With all these runway extensions and what-not and the planes not being delivered and airlines canceling orders it sound like one huge kick in the ass for Airbus.

1. extending runways is expensive and time consuming
2. adjusting airport terminals and taxiways is also expensive
3. design flaws are causing long delays and setbacks
4. canceled orders means less revenue
5. A350 already backed-up due to A380

=ONE HUGE MESS!  redflag 

On the other hand, why aren't any of the airlines looking into the 748i?

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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:38 pm

Quoting DeltaJet757 (Reply 37):
With all these runway extensions and what-not and the planes not being delivered and airlines canceling orders

Where are the cancelled orders? That's a new one.

Quoting DeltaJet757 (Reply 37):
ONE HUGE MESS!

most definitely.

Quoting DeltaJet757 (Reply 37):
why aren't any of the airlines looking into the 748i?

It's probably too advanced. For instance, to achieve the highest level of reliability, it eschews fly-by-wire avionics in favor of honest to goodness mechanical cables and pulleys, that (sit down and get this) directly connect the cockpit controls to the aero surface actuators!

[Edited 2006-10-02 07:42:01]
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:39 pm

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 17):
Dude, you deserve a footinmouth for that. And you've been a member for almost two years?

No need to be so tough on him; he's just a kid. When I was his age, I didn't understand the aviation business any better than he does.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:57 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 18):
Does every TG A346 flight takeoff 100% full? If it does then they need more capacity.

Well the only routes they use A346 are Auckland, Moscow, Zurich, Milan, Melbourne... definitely only the route with low capacity but long range. Or they might use it on the new route that they are not sure it's gonna work well like JNB.
One of the major fleet in TG now is 747-400 (it has 18). All the route like LHR, CDG, FRA, CPH, ARN, FCO, NRT can not be reduced to A346, it needs 744 or bigger.
I doubt they wont cancel A380 or if they do, they would go for 748i
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:03 pm

Quoting NewYorkCityBoi (Reply 40):
All the route like LHR, CDG, FRA, CPH, ARN, FCO, NRT can not be reduced to A346, it needs 744 or bigger.

Those routes could be downgauged to the A340-600. Costs and revenues per trip would drop. CASM and RASM would rise. Would it be more or less profitable? We don't have enough information to determine that.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:30 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 41):
Those routes could be downgauged to the A340-600. Costs and revenues per trip would drop.

You fail to realize that if you have a 747 sized aircraft and lower the costs, profits go up. Hence, moving from a 747-400 to an 8% more efficient 747-8 will bring profit up. Thai's 267 seat A340-600 is not suitable for LHR, CDG, FRA, CPH, ARN, FCO, NRT, and even LAX<- (I don't get why they fly it to LAX. Largest Thai population out side of Thailand, and they down grade the route from 744 to A346. ALL that translates to is loosing business to the competition.)
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:39 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 42):
You fail to realize that if you have a 747 sized aircraft and lower the costs, profits go up.

Not if the revenues drop more.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 42):
Hence, moving from a 747-400 to an 8% more efficient 747-8 will bring profit up.

The B747-8 has both lower trip costs and lower CASM than the B747-400 so, if the purchase price were zero, then it would certainly be profitable to replace B747-400s with B747-8s.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 42):
Thai's 267 seat A340-600 is not suitable for LHR, CDG, FRA, CPH, ARN, FCO, NRT, and even LAX<- (I don't get why they fly it to LAX.

You haven't made that case. In fact, given the information publicly available, one cannot conclude either way whether or not it would be a good move.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 42):
Largest Thai population out side of Thailand, and they down grade the route from 744 to A346. ALL that translates to is loosing business to the competition.)

Losing the lowest yielding fares often increases profitability by raising RASM. This is why so many airlines have replaced B747s with A340-600s and B777-300ERs despite rising demand and the higher CASM of the latter. Downgauging always increases RASM, though it doesn't always increase profitability.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:06 pm

Come on Airbus! Get those A380s built and delivered! We're all waiting with baited breath.  Smile

It's so surreal to imagine that the A380s now will come out about the same time as the B787. That would be bad cuz you know everyone will be comparing the two planes, even though they are in different classes.

And then the 747-8 will be out not long after that, and it will seem that Boeing is on the ball and that Airbus has dropped the ball.

It's fun to have an A vs. B war only when these companies have their act together, then you know they're acting as formidable competitors. But for Airbus to have severe wiring problems seems pretty slack; they aren't doing their best. And after all, they are pretty much close to rocket scientists, these aerospace engineers and construction managers!

Come on Airbus - show us your best!

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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:42 pm

Things are never what they seem in Thailand. To try and guess their reasoning and motivations is usually futile and almost always incorrect.

Thai Airways is a government carrier. It is very much run and operated for the governments pleasure with very little regard for anything else. Buying A380s or not buying them may have to do with many factors but rest assured that none of them will be business or operations related.

The press in Thailand is heavily "managed" and that has increased dramatically since the coup. If the Bangkok Post babbles some drivel regarding potential cancellations, its the opening round of the government rethinking this decision. The decision will be reviewed with political overtones with no regard to usage or need, the same way they were purchased.

You may not remember but when they were bought, all sorts of special favors went back and forth. A new private A320 for Thaksin paid with government monies, special tariff deals, and on and on. Thaksin took his end of the bargain, whatever it was, and moved on leaving the bill for next regime. This was done in almost every area of government, not just the national airline. Its a deep hole to dig out of and I bet this is only the first of many retreats.

Thai Air is a mess, decreasing revenues, expenses out of control, new low cost carriers capturing an ever larger market share, the expenses and graft costs at the new airport make it one of the most expensive in the area, they are really in no shape for fleet expansion at all. On top of everything, all this political interference has given them one of the most inefficient fleets in the world with both mix, age and efficiencies all contributing to their problems.

I have learned to not listen to the good news being broadcast on speakers but to focus on the bad news whispered in the official statements. At this point, that article was approved by the government to make a very specific statement. I give the A380 order a very good chance of being canceled before delivery.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:50 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 16):

Political,whats this plane got to do with politics? ,more like economical reason than a political one.

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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:12 pm

Anyone here considered the possibility that this is just a simple reporting mistake or a translation error? After all, this is the *only* report anywhere that suggests (very vaguely at that) that TG might cancel.
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:57 pm

A few comments:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 16):
For a start, Thailand is now ruled by a military junta and they would not like to send out the message that the country (or its airline) is rowing backwards. In other words, it's a pride issue for them.

That's a pretty over-simplified analysis of politics in Thailand. I'd agree with Xbusman in reply 45 that if this information appeared in a newspaper here, there is a reason it has appeared. And pride would be one of the least likely reasons.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 16):
The other issue is that this media report is simply factually incorrect. It states that it's unlikely that TG will take delivery of the acft when TG has not formally cancelled the order, nor has made any attempt to do so.

Generally, even before the coup, business reporting in the major Thai newspapers about a Thai company that speaks about a possibility of something happening usually ends up being correct. This is because of the practice of leaking information to the media. Are the articles correct 100% of the time? No. But enough to make this story worth taking seriously.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 20):
I doubt TG will cancel. They invested in the airport to make it A380 ready and TG will need this plane.

TG didn't invest in the airport specifically to make the A380 ready, other than to ensure their new hangar was large enough to hold the plane. Airports of Thailand PCL invested in the airport. Rumors of TG cancelling the A380 have been about for more than a year.

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 26):
I'm surprised they only built 6 gates that can fit A380, TG can easily use 12 A380s with their current route networks.

Where in TG's route network do you see high enough demand to need six pairs of A380s? LHR, maybe. NRT, maybe. SYD, probably not. Other than that? Maybe they could reduce their number of daily flights to Phuket to three or four A380 flights instead of dozen or so flights they now operate!

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 47):
Anyone here considered the possibility that this is just a simple reporting mistake or a translation error?

Considering that the Bangkok Post is an English-language daily and the reporter isl fluent in both Thai and English, I doubt it is a translation error.

My two cents: TG will cancel the order.
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:37 pm

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 46):
After all, this is the *only* report anywhere that suggests (very vaguely at that) that TG might cancel.

http://www.google.com/search?q=shrim...ourceid=mozilla2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
 
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RE: Thai Airways Re-Consider A380 Order

Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:54 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 48):

http://www.google.com/search?q=shrim...ourceid=mozilla2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

So which specific article are you actually referring to?


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