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Report: New A380 Delays "on Average A Year"

Tue Oct 03, 2006 4:40 pm

In today's issue, La Tribune is reporting:

- "Additional delays are on average a year"

- Only 2-3 A380s will be delivered next year down from 9 announced in June

- The bulk of the A380 production to be moved to Toulouse

- Hamburg gets the A320

- Unions in France are nervous and a union rep said moving the A320 line would be a "strategic mistake" as they have so many planes to deliver.


Reuters wrote the following about this article:

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/arti...91268_RTRIDST_0_TRANSPORT-EADS.XML

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RE: Report: New A380 Delays "on Average A Year"

Tue Oct 03, 2006 4:53 pm

Ouch!

This is like a SNAFU, FUBAR and DRE with a baseball bat all rolled into one - especially for the airlines.

We can now see why Leahy has been rather quiet lately. Airbus does have a tiger by the tail on this one and it's going to be a huge effort to get to a point where normal deliveries are achieved. Can anyone guess when Airbus will be able to deliver the first 380 "on time"?

Lots of factors to give thought to, like the job status of those that make the components. Basically all we can do is wish them well with their upcoming efforts.
 
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RE: Report: New A380 Delays "on Average A Year"

Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:06 pm

Bloody hell.

Let me track the French article and use my A in A Level French to try and translate.




"Selon nos informations, le nombre d'appareils livrés serait inférieur en 2007 à quatre unités (entre deux et trois) et le décalage supplémentaire des livraisons atteindrait un an de retard en moyenne."

According to our information, the number of aircraft to be delivered in 2007 will be less than four units (either two or three), and the additional delays of the deliveries could be up to a year on average.




Hamburg, which does the cabin furnishings, the paint, and the deliveries to airlines in Europe and the Middle East will lose a significant amount of A380 work. Streiff wants to relocate the A380 production to "la Ville Rose" [presumably Toulouse]




430 planes have to be delivered in the course of the next twelve months, principally the A320 family and also the A330 and A340.

"The first A320 was born in Toulouse," said le secrétaire général de FO, Julien Talavan. "And the production functions [well?]. To disorganise and dismantle all this would be a great strategic error."


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RE: Report: New A380 Delays "on Average A Year"

Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:17 pm

Quoting N1786b (Thread starter):
- "Additional delays are on average a year"

Sh*t! We are now talking of a total delay of about 2 1/2 years (18 months + 12).

Quoting N1786b (Thread starter):
- Hamburg gets the A320

Double Sh*t! Moving that whole production line to Germany, while moving the whole 380 production line to TSL will be a killer.

I HOPE this is just a rumor and not factual. I just don't see how this can come to pass.

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RE: Report: New A380 Delays "on Average A Year"

Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:32 pm

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 2):
"The first A320 was born in Toulouse," said le secrétaire général de FO, Julien Talavan. "And the production functions [well?]. To disorganise and dismantle all this would be a great strategic error."

Reality is, there are two fully functional final assembly lines for single-aisles in Airbus. One in Toulouse for the A320, the other one in Hamburg for A318, A319, A321. AFAIK, the moving line in Hamburg is more efficient than the line in Toulouse, moreover a second assembly line for A320s in Hamburg had been planned and partially implemented already a few years ago. That was put on hold (I presume in the aftermath of 9/11), but all the infrastructure is already there. From this perspective, concentrating single-aisle activities in Hamburg does indeed make sense.

[Edited 2006-10-03 10:34:19]
 
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RE: Report: New A380 Delays "on Average A Year"

Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:35 pm

PARIS (Reuters) - European aerospace group EADS (EAD.PA: Quote, Profile, Research) now expects its Airbus unit to deliver only two or three A380 super jumbo aircraft next year, France's La Tribune newspaper reported on Tuesday as the firm's board met to consider how to put the much-delayed programme back on track.

Airbus said in June that it expected to deliver nine planes next year, down from an original target of 20 to 25. It said last month there would be fresh delays, but declined to be more specific pending the outcome of the board meeting.

An EADS spokeswoman confirmed the company's board would meet but declined to comment on details. La Tribune said the board would meet by videoconference.

According to La Tribune, EADS is due to announce it will shift the bulk of A380 production to its Toulouse factory in France. In compensation, its German Hamburg factory will take over production of the A320 model.

(Additional reporting by Benoit Van Overstraeten)

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/arti...68_RTRUKOC_0_UK-TRANSPORT-EADS.xml
 
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RE: Report: New A380 Delays "on Average A Year"

Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:14 pm

Emirates sees 10 months of additional delays

http://www.todayonline.com/articles/146446.asp

Quote:
"Emirates has been advised by Airbus of a further 10 months delay to its A380 programme, which means that our first aircraft will now arrive in August 2008," said the president of Emirates, Tim Clark, in a statement received here.

"This is a very serious issue for Emirates and the company is now reviewing all its options."
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RE: Report: New A380 Delays "on Average A Year"

Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:49 pm

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 4):
AFAIK, the moving line in Hamburg is more efficient than the line in Toulouse, moreover a second assembly line for A320s in Hamburg had been planned and partially implemented already a few years ago. That was put on hold (I presume in the aftermath of 9/11), but all the infrastructure is already there. From this perspective, concentrating single-aisle activities in Hamburg does indeed make sense.

Well it at least makes the transition easier, since Hamburg will be able to ramp-up relatively quickly.

I wonder how this is going to affect the timetable of the China A320 line? I imagine Airbus is going to want to put that line on hold while they transition A320 production to Hamburg and integrate all A380 production into Toulouse.

I am going to hazard a guess the rumored slow-down to two to three birds in 2007 is directly related to the integration? I understand parts of two of the later birds are at Hamburg, so they will need to be moved to TLS and no additional birds can begin production until the TLS line is fully integrated and functioning.

I am guessing SQ's birds received their interior fittings in Hamburg, but were then flown to Toulouse to troubleshoot said installation? Is Hamburg doing any current interior fittings? Or are they all on hold pending Toulouse finding the fix?

Airbus may have decided not to bother performing any more interior fittings in Hamburg, which will delay delivery of the birds currently ready for said fittings as they wait for Toulouse to be reconfigured to do it.
 
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RE: Report: New A380 Delays "on Average A Year"

Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:52 pm

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 4):
AFAIK, the moving line in Hamburg is more efficient than the line in Toulouse, moreover a second assembly line for A320s in Hamburg had been planned and partially implemented already a few years ago. That was put on hold (I presume in the aftermath of 9/11), but all the infrastructure is already there. From this perspective, concentrating single-aisle activities in Hamburg does indeed make sense.

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RE: Report: New A380 Delays "on Average A Year"

Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:20 am

Trading the A320s for that painting of the A380 would not be a bad deal for Airbus Germany. I'm not surprised the French unions are protesting against that. French always care about their own interest, later about those of the community they're a part of. Without that behavior stupid things like the EU parliament moving around between Brussels and Strasbourg wouldn't exist anymore.

My thoughts about EK: The delay must be a real pain for them, since they really need new and big aircraft for their expansion planes. Since the pilots and crew for the A380 will be Airbus-able, they might as well take those A346HGW they have on order to bridge the gap.
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RE: Report: New A380 Delays "on Average A Year"

Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:59 am

I've read the threads but am still confused. Can someone tell me in a paragraph why ther eis a delay?

Is the delay a delay in producing a working prototype which performs according to specs or is it more producing production aircrafts which are identical to the protog type? And don't call em an idiot-I amy in fact be one but that's not the poinnt? and is the problem in proucing the produciton aircraft that the alumium wiring is too bulky to fit through what I'd call the "holes" or is it that the software versions are so different that engineers in locaiton A are deisigning a Pontiach version of a Buick?
 
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RE: Report: New A380 Delays "on Average A Year"

Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:45 am

Quoting Ultrapig (Reply 10):
I've read the threads but am still confused. Can someone tell me in a paragraph why ther eis a delay?

I'm not even sure . . . I've heard so many different things from wireing to engine problems. Who knows.
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RE: Report: New A380 Delays "on Average A Year"

Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:28 pm

This is the fundamental problem which Airbus has and will continue to have. When decisions are motivated by politics rather than business sense you get yourself right where Airbus is. Having to spread A380 work between Germany, England and France to apease the politicians means you set yourself up for these kind of intigration issues. If the A380 had just been built in one location then it would have been much easier to manage and solve problems of integration and assembly. I don't see how a restructuring is going to fix this fundamental problem of the organization. Decisions should be made based on business sense not political will.

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