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LGA Central Terminal To Be Replaced

Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:00 am

This is the first I've heard of this...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1159...or+Repairs&COLLECTION=wsjie/6month

Key points:
Rebuilding La Guardia's Central Terminal, which houses 14 airlines, will be one of the most complicated and most expensive airport projects in aviation history, and the effort will likely affect travelers all across the country.

Plans are being drawn to knock down old aircraft hangars on each side of the Central Terminal and build new, wider concourses. Concourses will be built one by one -- build a new Concourse A, move in and then tear down the old A to create space for the new Concourse B. Repeat as necessary. In all, it will take many years and cost more than $1 billion.

The new La Guardia terminal, if built, will have the same number of gates since the two runways at La Guardia can't handle any more takeoffs and landings, so there's little need for additional gates. But the concourses will be wider and modern, and they all may share a large, central security screening area. Airlines will be able to bring in larger planes and move them around without so many traffic jams in the alleys between concourses.

A $15 million study is under way on the feasibility of the grand plans. One alternative under review is whether to build five concourses instead of just replacing the existing four wings of the terminal. Another is whether the new terminal should be linked to the nearby US Airways terminal. And different funding options are being studied -- we will likely all be paying for this through "Passenger Facility Charges" added to airline tickets for departing LaGuardia passengers.
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RE: LGA Central Terminal To Be Replaced

Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:02 am

My parayers have been answered!!! And they say there is no aviation god!!!
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RE: LGA Central Terminal To Be Replaced

Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:04 am

From a traveler's perspective, I really don't see the need for this -- at least at the quoted cost. But then again, as far as I'm concerned, the only renovation LGA really needs is to get some bars into concourses other than A.
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RE: LGA Central Terminal To Be Replaced

Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:16 am

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
Plans are being drawn to knock down old aircraft hangars on each side of the Central Terminal and build new, wider concourses.

Is AA going to be giving up its three huge hangars and adjoining ramp space next to Concourse D?
 
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RE: LGA Central Terminal To Be Replaced

Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:17 am

LGA is my favorite airport, I just hope that it doesn't end up looking like another box from the boonies. I love the architecture, especially the old Control Tower, and also the short walk to the gates.

All said, the place does need new eating and drinking facilities, and shorter waits at the carousel.
 
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RE: LGA Central Terminal To Be Replaced

Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:32 am

It's in the Port Authority's capital plan, the project will be approved at the same time as a $1.2 Billion Dollar expansion and renovation EWR's Terminal A.
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RE: LGA Central Terminal To Be Replaced

Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:34 am

The old control tower is, if approved, slated to be torn down and replaced with a new one.
 
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RE: LGA Central Terminal To Be Replaced

Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:35 am

What they need to do is also rebuild the runways so they don't intersect. One of the biggest design flaws of the airport. That and the almost inevitable "gate tow" to Delta Gate #1....just what you want after landing at 11:30PM from Atlanta, an hour late, taxiing for 20 minutes and then waiting for the highly motivated ground crew to unload your bags before 3am.
 
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RE: LGA Central Terminal To Be Replaced

Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:56 am

Never going to happen. Never!

The Port Authority has been talking about this for years. Study after study. Design after Design.

The Port Authority was also supposed to redo the JFK IAB for years. They let it decay to crap and then leased it out to Schipol USA to redevelop.

Early this week a plan was announed to finally replace the tower. Keep in mind that it was talked about for over 20 years. We will be using those crumbling fingers at LGA for at least another decade.

Just a suggestion to the PA, they should privatize the few remaining terminals they run. A few years ago, the PA board decided it would get out of the real estate business and concentrate on infrastructure it runs: airports, ports, bridges, tunnels. That was the motive behind the leasing of the JFK IAB and the World Trade Center for 99 years.

The PA was to get out of the terminal running/terminal building business and concentrate on roadways, parking garages, runways, utilities, etc. at the airports.

Every new terminal built at JFK or EWR over the past few years is the result of private investment backed by Port Authority financing. This is a smart move for the region.

EWR Term C- Continental investment

JFK Term 1- TOGA investment
JFK Term 4- JFKIAT (Schipol USA) investment
JFK Term 5- jetBlue investment
JFK Term 9- AA investment

The PA has rebuilt roadways and parking facilities. They also built AirTrain EWR and JFK.

If any of us want to see a new LGA CTB in the next 20 years, we should look towards a private entity to redevelop and run the terminal.

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RE: LGA Central Terminal To Be Replaced

Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:19 am

Quoting Avatordon (Reply 6):
The old control tower is, if approved, slated to be torn down and replaced with a new one.

No!!!!! I love that old control tower. Would be nice if they could keep it and turn it into an observation deck or something like that for the public.
 
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RE: LGA Central Terminal To Be Replaced

Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:27 am

I really like the Marine Air Terminal at LGA, but I do wish they would add some more windows to it. LGA is one of my favorite airports as well.
 
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RE: LGA Central Terminal To Be Replaced

Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:33 am

It will break my heart to see that building go...it was there that I fell in love with aviation...
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RE: LGA Central Terminal To Be Replaced

Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:26 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 9):
Would be nice if they could keep it and turn it into an observation deck or something like that for the public.

OK, you can stop dreaming now! This is the Port Authority we are talking about, second only to the BAA for being anti-enthusiast!
 
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RE: LGA Central Terminal To Be Replaced

Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:46 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 8):
The PA was to get out of the terminal running/terminal building business and concentrate on roadways, parking garages, runways, utilities, etc. at the airports.

Every new terminal built at JFK or EWR over the past few years is the result of private investment backed by Port Authority financing. This is a smart move for the region.

EWR Term C- Continental investment

JFK Term 1- TOGA investment
JFK Term 4- JFKIAT (Schipol USA) investment
JFK Term 5- jetBlue investment
JFK Term 9- AA investment

I totally disagree with this philosophy, and I think its one of the weaknesses of US Airports. One thing I think needs to happen at every airport in this country is for all gates and check in areas to become Cute terminals. I have been a fan of this concept for a long time, and right now, I believe only LAS, MIA, and HNL employ this concept among the major airports. You can't have cute terminals if the Airlines are controlling them. While I agree that the airlines should be pumping some money into renovating all these terminals, the airports themselves have to share some of the cost as well.

Why do I support Cute? Well, lets take a look at some of the problems at some airports that would not be an issue with cute in place.

1. Out in DEN, UA and F9 have been in a pissing contest for years over gates on the A concourse. F9 has the bulk of the flights there, the problem was UA bought gates to prevent growth from F9, until the recent deal. If these gates were cute gates, F9 could have used them, and even shared them with TED, much like in LAS where WN uses B gates during the day, and HP uses some C gates at night.

2. At ORD, JetBlue is unable to start service due to lack of gate space, and its very tough for US to consolidate their operations into one location. Obviously United Express is using most of the gates there and they should, but NW and CO do not need all the gates that they currently occupy. Again, if these are Cute gates, Jet blue can run a couple of flights from a relatively unused shared gate, plus US has an easier time as well. And if not there, on the L concourse with DL and Alaska.

3. LAX has a lot of realitively unused gates that is making it tough for people to expand there. Terminal 1 is near saturation, WN can't add flights there due to lack of gates, and US can't move because there is no place for them to move. If you have Cute, they can share gate space in 6 with other airlines there, since most of those gates are unused most of the time.

4. Due to various construction projects in BOS, airlines have had to move many many times. If you had cute, the moves would be a lot easier to accomplish since you don't move nearly as much equipment, and there might be a chance of Terminal A becoming a SkyTeam terminal.

These are some situations, but I am a firm supporter of Cute in all US airports and I will be writing more about this in the coming months.
 
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RE: LGA Central Terminal To Be Replaced

Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:58 am

I highly doubt that the runways at LGA would ever be moved due to one thing: Rickers Island. It sits right next to the airport and there's no way in hell the city would change that due to the huge number of inmates there and the lack of any place near the city to hold them. Also at some of the airports like ORD there's the problem of slots which prevent new carriers from moving in ( along with the gate space issue).
 
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RE: LGA Central Terminal To Be Replaced

Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:02 am

JFKLGANYC,

I don't share you opinion about the LGA CTB, I feel it's very close (within two years) of being approved. The project is now connected with the rebuilding of Terminal A at EWR, the same way CO's Global Gateway Project and AA's JFK terminal project were both approved at the same board meeting in 1999.

The Terminal A project is ready to go, the NJ commissioners wanted that project to be approved last year however the LGA is not fully developed yet. So they instead approved a $300 Million Dollar modernization of Terminal B at EWR.

When the LGA project (planning, design work) is complete both projects will move forward, I expect them two be approved no later than 2009.

The LGA Central Terminal Building project is estimated at $1 Billion, the EWR Terminal A project is estimated at $1.2 Billion. They are going to rebuild Terminal A at EWR as they did with Terminal C, new concourses, ticketing/baggage levels, parking garage etc.

Page 16 of the Port Authority's Capital plan details better the time line for both projects, note the numbers in bold have already been allocated and the numbers in grey are expected to be allocated at some point.

http://www.panynj.gov/AboutthePortAu...rRelations/pdf/strat_plan_0922.pdf
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RE: LGA Central Terminal To Be Replaced

Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:31 am

This is definitely an apreciated project as that terminal is a filthy mess- in the AA concourse u must walk through security, then turn around and walk through a three foot halway to get to a gate, which is seperate from the security screening by a temporary wall. The terminal is very depressing, and is always packed.

Finally something good at LGA
 
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RE: LGA Central Terminal To Be Replaced

Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:36 am

Quoting COERJ (Reply 16):
in the AA concourse u must walk through security, then turn around and walk through a three foot halway to get to a gate, which is seperate from the security screening by a temporary wall. The terminal is very depressing, and is always packed.

That's only a single gate and I'm pretty sure that's exclusively for Eagle use. Point is, it doesn't affect very many of LGA's daily passengers.

I've said it already, but if PANYNJ wants to maximize bang and passenger satisfaction for its improvement buck, they need to put bars into B, C, and D.
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RE: LGA Central Terminal To Be Replaced

Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:44 am

I have never heard of the "Cute terminal" description? Does that have something to do with "Common Use Gates/Terminals"? Can you explain what that means? Sounds interesting though. Thanks!