planesailing
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Plane Airbags

Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:33 am

Did anyone else know of aircraft having airbags, similar to those found in cars?

A UK programme on BBC2, Horizons, covered the topic in the episode "Survivors Guide to Plane Crashes" this evening.

Apparently the following are fitted with such devices:

Airline Aircraft Type
Air Atlantic BAE J41
Air Canada A319-112, A320-214, A321-211, A340-500, 767, A330, A340
Air Nostrum CRJ900
Atlantic Coast Airlines BAE J41
Atlas Air CRJ700
Cathay Pacific/ILFC A340-600
Air New Zealand 747-400, 777-200ER
Virgin Atlantic Airways 747-400, A340-600, A340-300
Cyprus Airways A330-200
Emirates A340-500
Antonov AN-148
Iberia A340-600
Kenya Airways 777-200ER
ILFC/Airbus A340-600
Lufthansa City Line CRJ700
Maersk/Duo Air CRJ700
Manx Airlines BAE J41
Origin Pacific Airways BAE J41
Shandong Airlines CRJ700
South African Airlink BAE J41
South African Airways A340-600
Sun Air BAE J41
Trans States Airlines BAE J41

More can be found here: www.bbc.co.uk/horizons
 
ual757
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RE: Plane Airbags

Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:40 am

WHAT? Airbags in a plane? I've never heard of this before.  Confused
Have any of you guys heard of this before?
 
planesailing
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RE: Plane Airbags

Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:41 am

A surprise to me also.

The manufacturers website: http://www.amsafeaviation.com/inflatable.htm

It is installed in the lap belt and firers up in the event of a crash.
 
PlainSmart
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RE: Plane Airbags

Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:02 am

I did a research paper on them last spring, and it is a pretty cool technology. Unfortunately they're also pretty expensive, especially when you have to outfit an entire airliner. They'll probably do more good in light aircraft, but I'd feel better using an airline that supplied them.
 
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RE: Plane Airbags

Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:12 am

Quoting Plainsmart (Reply 3):
They'll probably do more good in light aircraft, but I'd feel better using an airline that supplied them.

Bah.. like they would do any good smacking into the ground at 300mph! Seriously, if you're walking away from a crash, then you're walking away from it with our without those things IMHO. Otherwise you're a gonner regardless. Plus water about a water ditch. Last thing I want is some airbag in my way causing me to drown.
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UAL747
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RE: Plane Airbags

Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:14 am

Mes Chers.....

A bag of air ain't going to do nothing when you hit the ground or water at 200MPH in a titanium tube with tons of fuel to burn.

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RE: Plane Airbags

Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:17 am

NZ have them in their Business seats.
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RE: Plane Airbags

Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:20 am

I've been on many an Air Canada A319, A320, A321, A330 and 767, and honestly, I've never seen any evidence of them. This being said, I don't care either way, when you hit the ground at 500km/h, what is an airbag going to do for you really? And the crash position has you face down with the head in the knees does it not?
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PlainSmart
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RE: Plane Airbags

Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:40 am

The airbag isn't supposed to and won't do anything to help you when you crash into the ground at 300 kts. The real benefit is for the lesser impacts, such as those encountered when a plane runs off the end of the runway. The airbag will prevent you from smashing your face into the seat in front of you, thus preventing you from losing consciousness (hopefully). There have been lots of deaths of people who survive an impact only to be killed by toxic smoke and fumes because they couldn't evacuate the aircraft.

By the way, they deflate quickly just like an automobile airbag. These things aren't going to prevent you from escaping.
 
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RE: Plane Airbags

Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:41 am

Hi.

Saw these in an AC319, with the new-ish green seats. They were used in the first row of economy only, as there was a panel in front of us (behind executive class). It was great as no babies or young children are allowed to sit in seats with them, so no crying beside you  Smile

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RE: Plane Airbags

Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:46 am

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 7):
I've been on many an Air Canada A319, A320, A321, A330 and 767, and honestly, I've never seen any evidence of them.

They are typically installed on bulkhead rows, in order to meet headstrike requirements. The BBC Horizons program failed to mention that although they may be installed on certain aircraft, they may only be installed on certain rows.

Amsafe's design is particularly interesting since adopting the brace position will not interfere with the inflation of the air bag. The air bag can also be easily disabled for use with a child seat or when there is a lap child.
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lredlefsen
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RE: Plane Airbags

Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:03 pm

Quoting Planesailing (Thread starter):
Did anyone else know of aircraft having airbags, similar to those found in cars?

Old news -- they're usually stored in pouches under your seat.  Wink
 
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RE: Plane Airbags

Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:00 pm

Quoting Planesailing (Thread starter):
South African Airways A340-600

I have experience of these and they are awful. They are fitted in the seatbelt of the bulkhead row and overwing exit row seats (only AC and HK for some weird reason) and they negate the usual comfort advantage these seats offer. The belt becomes very bulky with the airbag, so much so that it is difficult to have the tray table deployed while wearing the belt, and if you take it off it doesn't fit into the seat beside you. Horrible.
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Mir
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RE: Plane Airbags

Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:23 pm

Some light planes (C172, P28A, etc.) are equipped with airbags that pop out of the seatbelts, but I've yet to see them on a commercial airliner.

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747hogg
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RE: Plane Airbags

Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:01 am

Oh Jeez! I thought this thred was about the elderly flight attendants on some trans pac NWA route!
 
sevenair
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RE: Plane Airbags

Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:39 am

Hey, I did a quick search for the safety cards of the afore mentioned airlines/aircraft, but there was no mention of them in the safety cards. Good idea though!
 
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RE: Plane Airbags

Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:47 am

Apparently, no airlines have specific recommendations posted on their Airline Safety cards except for (to my knowledge) Air New Zealand. Air New Zealand recommends passengers that are seated in air-bag equipped seats to adopt a different brace position to allow for airbag deployment.
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