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Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:22 pm



04 October 2006

FURTHER DELAYS TO THE A380 PROGRAMME


Airbus has confirmed a further delay to the deliveries of the 19 A380 aircraft ordered by Singapore Airlines.

The first A380 will now be scheduled for delivery in the fourth quarter of 2007, and deliveries of subsequent aircraft will occur in 2008 and beyond.

The delays are disappointing; all the more so because the flight test and certification programme is proceeding well, and the delays are down to production issues.

Singapore Airlines is assessing the impact that the delays, just notified, will have on forward capacity growth, and assessing options to mitigate the situation

However, new capacity will be injected to the Singapore Airlines fleet, with the first of 19 Boeing 777-300ER aircraft being delivered in November 2006. Six of these aircraft will be delivered before the end of 2006, and ten will be in service by mid-2007.

Pursuant to the Agreement between Airbus and Singapore Airlines, compensation will be provided. Terms of the contract remain confidential between the parties.

Singapore Airlines will remain the First to Fly the new super-jumbo, and, as was the case under the former delivery schedule, will receive the first four aircraft.

[Edited 2006-10-04 07:23:34]
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:29 pm

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
However, new capacity will be injected to the Singapore Airlines fleet, with the first of 19 Boeing 777-300ER aircraft being delivered in November 2006. Six of these aircraft will be delivered before the end of 2006, and ten will be in service by mid-2007.

This is interesting, since it means that SQ will have to put their new interior (seats) meant for the A380 into service almost one year ahead of EIS for the A380. Or will they change the interior on already finished, and almost finished, aircraft into the old interior? Does anyone know more about this?
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:37 pm

couldnt you have posted this in any of the myriad of threads on this topic?
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:39 pm

If SQ is getting the first four, one in 2007 and 3 more in 2008, then is it possible that Emirate and Qantas won't have them in service until 2009? They may get deliveries in 2008, but after configuration and getting all the required procedures done to get the planes ready....that's a longer delay than the ten months we are talking about.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:08 pm

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
Airbus has confirmed a further delay to the deliveries of the 19 A380 aircraft ordered by Singapore Airlines.


Interesting choice of words. SIA has 10 on order, 9 commitments and 6 options. Looks like SIA has no intention to drop the commitment, made in July, to order 9 more A380s.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:36 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 4):
Looks like SIA has no intention to drop the commitment, made in July, to order 9 more A380s

Why would they?

The delay is, of course, a very bad thing. All the campaigning with "First to Fly" and all of us enthusiasts eagerly waiting for the giant to start regular traffic.

But I really wonder, how many of these airliners who have placed these more than one hundred orders for this aircraft, really only ordered it to be able to fly it in 2006 or 2007 or 2008? I wonder, if they didn't place their order because they really needed and thus wanted to buy this kind of large aircrafts, because they believe that their customers value this kind of aircraft and that this kind of aircraft is the best solution for their growing traffic.

It is sad that Airbus couldn't keep their delivery schedule, but all schedules always are subject to change. I wish all the best to the Airbus team that has worked hard to get this huge airplane to the skies! At least to me it seems that SQ seems to survive this one more delay.

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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:10 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 4):

Interesting choice of words. SIA has 10 on order, 9 commitments and 6 options. Looks like SIA has no intention to drop the commitment, made in July, to order 9 more A380s.

Here's a BBC article that makes a good point, namely that with the compensation Airbus is going to give airlines, the A380s they have on order will be excellent value and thus they'd be crazy to cancel the orders:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5405076.stm
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:40 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 4):
Interesting choice of words. SIA has 10 on order, 9 commitments and 6 options. Looks like SIA has no intention to drop the commitment, made in July, to order 9 more A380s.

At the price SQ got their launch orders for they would be mad to cancel. I wonder if the options price were the same as the original order less a bit for compo.......

Quoting Joni (Reply 6):
Here's a BBC article that makes a good point, namely that with the compensation Airbus is going to give airlines, the A380s they have on order will be excellent value and thus they'd be crazy to cancel the orders:

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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:07 pm

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 7):
At the price SQ got their launch orders for they would be mad to cancel. I wonder if the options price were the same as the original order less a bit for compo.......

Do tell us, and let all the speculation concerning SIA's A380s stop here.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:35 pm

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 7):
At the price SQ got their launch orders for they would be mad to cancel. I wonder if the options price were the same as the original order less a bit for compo.......

Likely the options were at a slightly higher price initially as they weren't firm at the time, so the discounts were slightly less heavy.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:48 am

ITs sad we wll have to wait another year to see the new First & Raffles Class for the A380. May be SQ will launch their new upgrades with the 773ER coming this fall but I would count in it. Isn't the 773ER grand enough for SQ ? I would certainly think so but their nothing like a flying whale to attract attention. The 773ER is like a Saville Row suit, conservative, dependable and unoticed. The A380 is like a beauty pageant winner, attracts all kinds of attention, flying papparazzi.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:56 am

Quoting Brendows (Reply 1):
This is interesting, since it means that SQ will have to put their new interior (seats) meant for the A380 into service almost one year ahead of EIS for the A380. Or will they change the interior on already finished, and almost finished, aircraft into the old interior? Does anyone know more about this?

I think they'd be silly to put old interiors in place. Plus the first 777-300ER for SQ is being finished up as we speak, so it's too late in that case. SQ says they will receive four during CY2006, so three more are already pretty close to being done--or at least the parts are too far along in the pipeline to change things around.

Now, bear in mind that SQ's current 777-300ER delivery schedule was dictated by the first set of A380 delays. I am guessing that SQ would have done things differently if they had known how late the A380 would be—meaning, they would have taken the first 777 delivery slots they could.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:57 am

Quoting Manni (Reply 8):
Do tell us, and let all the speculation concerning SIA's A380s stop here.

Sounds as if they will get them at a cheaper price then what it cost Airbus to deliver. That to me, sounds like a pretty good deal.

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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:23 am

Is SQ receiveing 6 773-ER in two months ( nov-dec 06) and 10 in next 6 months? That is a pretty huge jump in capacity in very short period of 8 months!!
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:55 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 11):
I think they'd be silly to put old interiors in place

Yes, I agree. The interesting thing, and probably very worrying for SQ, is that the new interior that was supposed to be made public on EIS for the A380, will now be made official about one year before the first A380 starts flying for SQ. And as we all know, the airlines have kept the interior design for the A380 as a highly guarded secret, but SQ can't keep it a secret that much longer...

Quoting N328KF (Reply 11):
Plus the first 777-300ER for SQ is being finished up as we speak, so it's too late in that case.

Two 77Ws are on the flight line at Paine Field, I believe both are supposed to be delivered in November.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:02 am

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
Singapore Airlines will remain the First to Fly the new super-jumbo, and, as was the case under the former delivery schedule, will receive the first four aircraft.

If SQ gets the first four, and the next set are said to go to SQ, QF, and EK, what of EY?

Flight International's chart noted that MSN002, MSN004, and MSN007 were supposed to go to EY. Are those frames now tasked to SQ, QF, and/or EK? And if so, did EY volunteer those frames?
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
Flight International's chart noted that MSN002, MSN004, and MSN007 were supposed to go to EY. Are those frames now tasked to SQ, QF, and/or EK? And if so, did EY volunteer those frames?

I believe the sequence remains the same. And frankly, if I were a CEO of an A380 customer, I would do everything in my power to not get one of the first few airframes.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:07 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
If SQ gets the first four, and the next set are said to go to SQ, QF, and EK, what of EY?

Flight International's chart noted that MSN002, MSN004, and MSN007 were supposed to go to EY. Are those frames now tasked to SQ, QF, and/or EK? And if so, did EY volunteer those frames?

No, they are still going to EY. Even if they have a low MSN number doesn't mean that they will be delivered earlier than the rest. These frames will have to be completely refurbished before they can be handed over to EY, and I would guess that EY will receive its first A380 in late 2009 or 2010.

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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 2):
couldnt you have posted this in any of the myriad of threads on this topic?

Like I said, first in line of the 'I told you so' crowd.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:27 am

In my opinion, I don't think we'll see a great number, or any, cancellations of customer orders for the 380 - as each airlines contract contains compensation schedules based on degrees of delay.

I'm sure Airbus is offering every incentive it can, although expensive, to keep the customer orders intact. It all comes down to the bottom line, and what it will it take to keep the customer happy, or at least, not-unhappy. The billions estimated the delay will cost Airbus, presumably, includes compensation & incentive packages.

Singapore, like other customers, are being well looked after - financially - as they want to maintain a positive relationship with all their customers.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:35 am

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
Singapore Airlines will remain the First to Fly the new super-jumbo, and, as was the case under the former delivery schedule, will receive the first four aircraft.

Does this mean that QF, EK, and EY will not get an A380 til 08 0r 09?
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting Boeingfever777 (Reply 20):
Does this mean that QF, EK, and EY will not get an A380 til 08 0r 09?

SQ in 2007 (one aircraft), then the next one is in 2008. QF get their first in August 2008. EK is around that time too.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:41 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 10):
ITs sad we wll have to wait another year to see the new First & Raffles Class for the A380. May be SQ will launch their new upgrades with the 773ER coming this fall but I would count in it. Isn't the 773ER grand enough for SQ ? I would certainly think so but their nothing like a flying whale to attract attention. The 773ER is like a Saville Row suit, conservative, dependable and unoticed. The A380 is like a beauty pageant winner, attracts all kinds of attention, flying papparazzi.

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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting Joni (Reply 6):
Here's a BBC article that makes a good point, namely that with the compensation Airbus is going to give airlines, the A380s they have on order will be excellent value and thus they'd be crazy to cancel the orders:

I know, it's almost like the airlines that have ordered the A380 have an unfair advantage, not because it's such a good aircraft, but because they are going to get it for so cheap.


... but then again maybe by the time that all of those airlines finally get all of their A380s the 787-10 will come out and run rings around the economics of the A380.

Who knows.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:24 am

Quoting AirMailer (Reply 23):
I know, it's almost like the airlines that have ordered the A380 have an unfair advantage, not because it's such a good aircraft, but because they are going to get it for so cheap.

This may be a reason why EK should keep all of their A380 orders. With cheaper prices, they may be able to affordably lease out or resell A380s for less than what Airbus might be able to make them available for, or even for the same price to airlines that don't want to wait.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:24 am

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
However, new capacity will be injected to the Singapore Airlines fleet, with the first of 19 Boeing 777-300ER aircraft being delivered in November 2006. Six of these aircraft will be delivered before the end of 2006, and ten will be in service by mid-2007

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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:25 am

Singapore's patience with Airbus may turn out to be their downfall. I am guessing there will be another delay after this, followed by another. The 747 may live on after all.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:26 am

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 22):
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:02 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 21):
SQ in 2007 (one aircraft), then the next one is in 2008. QF get their first in August 2008. EK is around that time too.

A380 commercial launch/flight is starting to become a JOKE!!!!
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:05 pm

Quoting Shenzhen (Reply 12):
Quoting Manni (Reply 8):
Do tell us, and let all the speculation concerning SIA's A380s stop here.

Sounds as if they will get them at a cheaper price then what it cost Airbus to deliver. That to me, sounds like a pretty good deal.

Except concerning the the first two frame, I've yet to see any statement that suggests this.
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RE: Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays

Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:51 pm

I contact Singapore to confirm some stuff and her is the reply:
5 October 2006


Dear Mr Horne

Thank you for your email.

Airbus has confirmed a further delay to the deliveries of the A380
aircraft

ordered by Singapore Airlines. The first A380 will now be scheduled for
delivery in October 2007 and deliveries of subsequent aircraft will
occur
in
2008 and beyond.

Details of our new generation cabin products will be unveiled on 17
October

2006.

Thank you for your interest.


Yours sincerely

Millie Moy
Manager Customer Services


It is a real bummer that there is this dealy (maybe more 747-8 passengar versions!!) I am looking forward to the unveiling of the new seats!!!
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