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Malaysia Resumes BEY, Axes CAI, ARN & EWR

Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:38 pm

Malaysia Airlines made an important announcement today. MH confirms to resume flight to Beirut, and the made the much awaited official announcement about its termination of Cairo, Stockholm and New York Newark. Finally, all crystal clear.

On a side note, MH highlights its additional service to Paris from 5x pw to daily and to Los Angeles via Taipei, from 5x pw to 6x. Also additional frequencies to Hanoi and Cebu.

MAS strengthens international network
By Tamimi Omar

Malaysian Airline System Bhd (MAS) is further strengthening its international sector by resuming its thrice weekly Kuala Lumpur-Beirut flights effective Oct 15, increasing the use of code-sharing arrangements and charter operations, and developing links with the United States east coast via transatlantic carriers.

The Kuala Lumpur-Beirut route via Dubai is to meet the surge in travel demand for the destination arising from efforts for the return to normalcy in Lebanon. The flights will depart Kuala Lumpur on Tuesday, Friday and Sunday, with the return flights on the same day.

Based on the findings of its route profitability exercise, MAS will withdraw its operations between Kuala Lumpur and Cairo effective Nov 1 but will maintain an online general sales agent there.

In a statement on Oct 4, MAS managing director Idris Jala said under the same route profitability exercise, its Kuala Lumpur-Stockholm-New York route would be best operated using code-sharing arrangements via Amsterdam, one of MAS’ continental European hubs.

“We will increase the use of our existing code-sharing option with KLM to maintain operations between Kuala Lumpur and Stockholm via Amsterdam.

“In addition, we are negotiating with a few large Scandinavian travel agents and tour operators to explore the possibility of charter operations during the winter period to meet the traffic demand for Scandinavian passengers to Malaysia,” he said.

He added that MAS was also in active discussions with a few transatlantic carriers to develop links with cities in the US east coast via the Netherlands capital.

With these alternative arrangements, MAS will withdraw its Kuala Lumput-Stockholm-Newark operations effective Jan 15, 2007.

Its commercial director Datuk Abdul Rashid Khan said MAS would honour all forward bookings ticketed to date on the Kuala Lumpur-Cairo and Kuala Lumpur-Stockholm-Newark routes for travel beyond the service withdrawal dates.

“Where customers opt for refunds, all refund administrative charges will be waived and they will be reimbursed the full costs of their tickets,” he said.

Meanwhile, effective Oct 29, MAS said it would increase its frequency between Kuala Lumpur and Paris from five times weekly to daily flights, and the Kuala Lumpur-Taipei-Los Angeles route from five to six times.

At the regional level, it said effective Tuesday, two additional frequencies have been mounted for Kuala Lumpur-Hanoi, making it a total of nine weekly flights. It will also double its twice weekly KL-Cebu flights effective Oct 30.
 
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:47 pm

Sadly no more Malaysia at Newark, they were a pleasure to watch for the 10 years they flew there.
 
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Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:32 pm

Quoting 9MMAR (Thread starter):
“In addition, we are negotiating with a few large Scandinavian travel agents and tour operators to explore the possibility of charter operations during the winter period to meet the traffic demand for Scandinavian passengers to Malaysia,”

Sounds strange. Is MH into long haul charter flights?
 
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Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:10 am

Yes. MH had done so to Bahrain and Kuwait for several years. Mostly to cater for tourists during the hot season in the Middle East.

Quoting 9MMAR (Thread starter):
its Kuala Lumpur-Stockholm-New York route would be best operated using code-sharing arrangements via Amsterdam, one of MAS’ continental European hubs.

A code share with KLM? Has it been inked?
 
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Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:57 am

It´s a shame to see MAS pulling out of New York. I can very well remember how the staff there were always struggling to fill up the plane in order to meet very demanding sales targets, when the flight was still operating via DXB.

I can think of two basic reasons for this service not having succeeded:

1.- Insufficient frequencies. A 5 x weekly scheme would have been more adequate, having in mind the very competitive conditions prevailing in the market nowadays.

2.- Flying to Newark. In spite of having arrangements with Continental, I honestly think JFK would have been a better option, from where MH could have entered a wider and more viable code share agreement with Delta.

I want to believe that the restructuring and rationalization measures being implemented by MAS´ head office, will, in the very short term, achieve the dramatic turnaround we are all hoping for.

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Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:14 am

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 3):
A code share with KLM? Has it been inked?

KLM flights AMS-ARN already carry MH code.
 
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Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:17 am

Quoting XA744 (Reply 4):
It´s a shame to see MAS pulling out of New York.

Yes Horacio, I can't believe the Malaysian flag carrier don't serve New York.  Sad

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 5):
Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 3):
A code share with KLM? Has it been inked?
KLM flights AMS-ARN already carry MH code.

I mean, a Transatlantic code share agreement with KLM, serving US cities (especially New York) via Amsterdam as the following suggest.

Quoting 9MMAR (Thread starter):
He added that MAS was also in active discussions with a few transatlantic carriers to develop links with cities in the US east coast via the Netherlands capital.
 
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Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:23 am

Brilliant news that MH are returning to BEY! I have flown them many times and find their service brilliant! This means that just 1 airline has pulled out of BEY since the war- KLM
- Alec
 
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Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:36 am

I always wonder Beirut is served because of good business performance or simply because of prestige. But I guess the load is quite good considering the BEY leg depart from DXB. There's more people who will fly to BEY from DXB vv rather than from KUL vv.

MH haven't include BEY in its online booking facilities via its website although the online flight schedule in the same website has included BEY.

Quoting Raffik (Reply 7):
This means that just 1 airline has pulled out of BEY since the war- KLM

I hope Lebanon's commercial aviation will soon fully recovered.
 
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Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:06 am

Quoting XA744 (Reply 4):
2.- Flying to Newark. In spite of having arrangements with Continental, I honestly think JFK would have been a better option, from where MH could have entered a wider and more viable code share agreement with Delta.

How would any DL JFK codeshare agreement have been wider? CO offer far more flights and destinations than DL do at JFK
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Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:52 pm

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 8):
I always wonder Beirut is served because of good business performance or simply because of prestige. But I guess the load is quite good considering the BEY leg depart from DXB. There's more people who will fly to BEY from DXB vv rather than from KUL vv.

There is demand for flights from Asia (outside the Middle East) to Beirut and MH is the only airline that offers direct service, so that may explain why it's been successful.

A lot of people who fly on MH's flight to Beirut are connecting from Australia where there is a very large Lebanese population.
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Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:47 pm

Quoting BA (Reply 10):
A lot of people who fly on MH's flight to Beirut are connecting from Australia where there is a very large Lebanese population.

What about the yield on those flights? Does anyone have any figures or performance information?
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Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:07 pm

What about their flights to ZRH. I always thought that they are under review.
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Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:18 pm

They have officially stated that ZRH will stay....there was a thread here about that...
 
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Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:43 pm

Quoting 717fan (Reply 13):
They have officially stated that ZRH will stay....there was a thread here about that...

I was about to tell that. It was my thread.
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Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:17 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 9):
How would any DL JFK codeshare agreement have been wider? CO offer far more flights and destinations than DL do at JFK

Humberside, to my knowledge, most of the traffic to S.E. Asia on MH´s New York flight is not O & D; it basically originates in Southeastern U.S.A. Can´t disclose details, but I can only tell you that ATL, FLL and MIA are great contributors in terms of revenue and pax numbers to this flight.

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Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:14 am

Why is Singapore doing OK to New York and not Malaysia?
 
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Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:51 am

SQ is a very well managed airline. It is profitable and is the world's leading carrier in terms of market value. MH on the other hand has been mismanaged for years, with frequent interruptions from the Malaysian government over its business. Financially MH is in the red.

SQ is capable of serving New York (almost) everyday, and they serve both EWR and JFK non stop from SIN (to EWR). EWR for instance is serves by A345s, an aircraft with capable range of doing the route non-stop. MH only serves EWR 3x per week via ARN. MH doesn't have any A345s.

SQ is in an alliance, Star. MH is not in any alliance.

Among others...
 
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Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:17 am

The JFK flight operates JFK-FRA-SIN on SIA , and they also Codeshare with LH on the FRA-SIN routes which adds to their loads .
 
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Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:29 am

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 17):
Among others...

also,
- bigger market between FRA and JFK than between ARN and EWR.
- 3x weekly MH service via daily SQ service is not exactly conducive to business travel

Actually, didn't I read that SQ's EWR-SIN isn't exactly going gangbusters in the profitability department due to various reasons such as high fuel costs, relative low number of seats on the A345s, and relative inability to charge a premium for the nonstop flight (vs. the one-stop)?
 
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Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:44 pm

Since the MAN route got dropped ive been wondering what the problem was. The loads were good enough, if not better than the LHR load factors. Could the MAN route not of worked using a 777 or doesnt MH's 777's have the distance? i think the route could of worked and for me going home would of been loads easier

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Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:04 pm

The MAN flights were doing 'OK' according to the local MH staff. They were certainly doing better than some of the other routes. While some of these have also now been cut some worse performing flights have been kept, such as the cash bleeding EZE route. I think most of us can guess why that is...

MH's 777's would reach MAN and would have been ideal for the route. Why they continued to send a 744 in here I'll never know, as there is virtually no F market from here. That's why SQ send their 2 class 772ER in here 5 days out of 7.

MH are a fantastic airline to fly with, they really are. Unfortunately they suffer from terrible political interference (witness another genuis politician based in Brussels last week claiming MH should fly to BRU !!!???), and/or mismanagement as 9MMAR says. It's a terrible shame as the fabulous MH crews deserve much better than this..

I hope they can stick to their rebuilding programme get back on track and start flying to MAN again. I used to fly them 3 or 4 times a year from here, and don't fancy using that hellhole in West London.
 
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:34 am

Just a slight update on dates when these routes will be axed or increased:

Kuala Lumpur to Beirut 3x weekly services will be resumed on October 15th with flights via Dubai using the two class A330-200.

Kuala Lumpur to Cairo Service axed on the 1st of November

Kuala Lumpur to Cebu Flights increase from 2x to 4x weekly 734 from October 30th

Kuala Lumpur to Hanoi Flights have now increased from 7x to 9x weekly 734 from October 3rd

Kuala Lumpur to Newark via Stockholm Service discontinued from January 15th

Kuala Lumpur to Paris CDG Services upgraded from 5x weekly to Daily 772 from October 29th

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Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:10 am

Quoting BDRules (Reply 20):
Since the MAN route got dropped ive been wondering what the problem was. The loads were good enough, if not better than the LHR load factors.

Ever heard of low yield????? KUL-LHR is high yield while MAN-KUL was low yield 9and dropped even further when EK entered the market). Also yields on the KUL-ARN-EWR flight have been reported as low and EWR was only served to serve the pride of the airline. Therefore good to see they finally axe those destinations which don't make enough money. Now they only have to axe EZE (another destination which only pleases the pride of the airline) and I'm really beginning to thnk they will make it.

Quoting Pieinthesky (Reply 21):
The MAN flights were doing 'OK' according to the local MH staff. They were certainly doing better than some of the other routes.

I wonder how credible local staff can be.... I've never heard a local rep (of any airline) saying the route they managed wasn't doing "OK". If that would have been true every route in the world would be profitable....of which we know isn't true.
 
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:30 am

9MMAR,

Why not start a 2nd flight with B777 to Amsterdam, instead of codesharing with KLM.

And about alliances, they should make their mind up if they are willing to join Skyteam.


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Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:30 am

Quoting Virginia (Reply 24):
And about alliances, they should make their mind up if they are willing to join Skyteam.

As discussed many many times before - I think its up to AF to decide if they want MAS in Skyteam.

MAS has already expressed its interest to join ST and apart from going daily into Paris, MAS is also increasing flights into Rome (AZ) and plans to expand their cooperation with KE. MAS also has plans to work closer with KLM and add more flights between KL and AMS. Rumour also has it that Aeroflot is looking to return to KUL in 2007.
 
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:09 pm

Quoting Virginia (Reply 24):
Why not start a 2nd flight with B777 to Amsterdam, instead of codesharing with KLM.

Why would they? We've already 2 daily flights between KUL and AMS (one full pax 747 en one combi 747). I don't think three flights would be a good idea
 
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:22 pm

Quoting Virginia (Reply 24):
Why not start a 2nd flight with B777 to Amsterdam, instead of codesharing with KLM.

MH serves AMS daily on 744, and code shares with KL which makes it service to AMS twice daily. KL sends their 74E to KUL. I think the demand for a second MH flight daily on 772 is not there. MH can't risk sending empty aircrafts to AMS as suggested in its Business Turnaround Plan. But I heard a lot of rumours that frequency to AMS will be increased soon, an effort they'll take to join SkyTeam.

Quoting Virginia (Reply 24):
And about alliances, they should make their mind up if they are willing to join Skyteam.

MH has done a lot in preparing itself to join SkyTeam. More codesharing agreements with KL, serving CDG daily, increasing frequency to 5x weekly to FCO, code share agreements with AZ, a prospect of a code share agrement with SK when they return to KUL next year, termination of VIE (to concentrate its service to SkyTeam hubs), the enhanced MH's Enrich FFP which resembles AF/KL's Flying Blue FFP, among others.
 
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:37 pm

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 27):
prospect of a code share agrement with SK when they return to KUL next year

you mean SU ?

Do note, both MH and KL flights between AMS-KUL are always almost full on departure (>95%; don't know about yields, though), so an additional 777 would help space-wise, especially for all those folks continuing to AU and NZ.
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:49 pm

Quoting MH017 (Reply 28):
you mean SU ?

Yes, SU, Aeroflot is what I mean. SK is SAS, sorry.
 
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:03 pm

Quoting MH017 (Reply 28):
Do note, both MH and KL flights between AMS-KUL are always almost full on departure (>95%; don't know about yields, though), so an additional 777 would help space-wise

The yields are unfortunately seriously under pressure since a year or so. Sure enough load factors are great but fares have dropped and the airlines have been forced to sell more seats at bottom fares. KLM is really feeling the heat on the route and has decided to reduce frequency from daily to 6 weekly for the winter.

The main reason for the dilapidating yields are the Middle Eastern carriers that serve virtually all markets in South East Asia. In particular for KL809/810 AMS-KUL-CGK vv, KL's yields have gotten a serious battering because of extensive services at KUL and CGK by Emirates, Qatar Aiways, Etihad, and to a lesser extent Gulf Air/Gulf Traveller and Kuwait Airways. Here in Jakarta, Emirates announced an increase to twice daily for later this year, and Etihad, just months after commencing services, will increase to 12 times weekly.
 
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Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:45 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 30):
The main reason for the dilapidating yields are the Middle Eastern carriers that serve virtually all markets in South East Asia.

This is most interesting. Now, if the Middle Eastern carriers are somehow " spoiling " the market, could this very same situation revert to them in a negative way ?


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Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:17 pm

So sad. I have really good memories on board MH and being on KUL-DXB-EWR.

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Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:24 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 22):
Kuala Lumpur to Beirut 3x weekly services

Wonderful news for BEY ,by the way Lebanese citizens dont need visa to enter Malaysia
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Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:32 pm

9MMAR,


What surprises me that there is a market for F-class pax, was this not the reason for SQ to switch to B777 for SIN-AMS (not enough high yield pax).
Maybe if KLM decides to let MH take over the evening flight to KUL (hasn't the combi B747 almost the same amount of seats as a B777).

About increasing flights to KUL (seasonal), could work maybe if the connections towards Oz and NZ are really good. But i do not have the info about how the route is doing in Yields.

Maybe this is something for HB-IWC or MH017.

regards Virginia.
 
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Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:09 am

9M-MAR

Wondered if you had heard anything about ARN EWR.

According to the MH station staff at ARN the decision to cancel the route has been overturned by the Malaysian government. They are confident of this and just waiting for an announcement.

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Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:41 am

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 35):
According to the MH station staff at ARN the decision to cancel the route has been overturned by the Malaysian government.

You gotta be kidding ?.

Is this is true, then here you have a perfect example of the biggest problem MH faces as it tries to get itself back on track....

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Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:45 am

Don't think it deserves its own thread...yet, but EZE might get the ax after all.

From Business Day (South Africa)

Quote:
Ngqula said he believed SAA could grow its international business by 20% at least. Additional direct flights to Washington, Perth, London and Frankfurt would be added from next month. Talks were also under way with Malaysia Airlines to code-share flights from Johannesburg to Kuala Lumpur and Johannesburg to Buenos Aires.


[Edited 2006-10-20 03:47:45]
 
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Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:02 pm

Quoting OdiE (Reply 37):
Don't think it deserves its own thread...yet, but EZE might get the ax after all.

Interesting, where would a code share to KUL go via? HKG? Operated by SA JNB-HKG and changing to MH for HKG-KUL? I do however remember hearing that SAA were looking to resume EZE, so MH could drop that part of the route. Infact I think MH should just operate KUL-JNB maybe 4 weekly with a 772 and drop CPT aswell or maybe just extend 2 flights to CPT.
 
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Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:20 pm

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 35):
According to the MH station staff at ARN the decision to cancel the route has been overturned by the Malaysian government. They are confident of this and just waiting for an announcement.

Surprise, surprise...
I haven't heard of the news yet. So far, the decision to cancel ARN and EWR has been announced, but the news to reinstate ARN isn't. If it materialised, it should be very interesting (from both good and bad side from MH's view).
 
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:56 am

It has been announced. MH reinstated back ARN and EWR. Unbelievable. There's a thread about it.
 
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:28 am

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 35):
According to the MH station staff at ARN the decision to cancel the route has been overturned by the Malaysian government. They are confident of this and just waiting for an announcement.

Rgds Steve

You get the news here on A net.
Very good news for me personally as I work for them at ARN.
 
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Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:22 pm

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 41):
Very good news for me personally as I work for them at ARN.

Since you mentioned that, maybe you could give us some lights over here on how long the reinstated service will be sustained? I mean, the reason for the reinstatement is because of the Visit Malaysia Year 2007 campaign. Will MH withdraws from ARN and EWR post 31 December 2007?
 
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Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:21 am

Haven't a clue!
Sorry when I say I work for them, I do, but am not employed by MH.
I do the maintenance here in ARN.