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UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:09 pm

Hi!

I just found out that my flight from LAX to LHR ( UA948 ) is going to be operated with the 767-300ER....I was quite surprised because I would expect maybe a flight with the 777 and my flight from AMS to IAD ( UA947 ) is going to be with the 777. I'm glad I'll fly again in a 767 but can anyone explain me why is UA doing this.....just for my humble acknowledgement.
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:16 pm

It has been a 763 since at least June 8th.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL948/history
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:18 pm

UA generally "sends in the 767s" when loads are light, like during the Low Season. The JFK-LHR flight is now a 763 until the termination of the service later this year.

The 777s you see during the summer are moved to routes with higher-traffic during the winter (replacing the 744s which served those routes during the High Season).
 
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:18 pm

Can a 763ER do LHR-LAX non-stop at MTOW?
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:19 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
Can a 763ER do LHR-LAX non-stop at MTOW?

Not sure, but I imagine UA's birds aren't at MTOW.  Smile
 
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:24 pm

Well Aeroflot does LAX-Moscow,not sure if it's at MTOW.
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:47 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
Can a 763ER do LHR-LAX non-stop at MTOW?

Yes, United runs LAX-LHR (United 948) on a 763ER.

It's roughly 8,800km between the city pairs - 763ER can do 11,300 km at best.

Does anyone know if anyone runs PEK-NYC? The 763ER can do it, but not sure if anyone runs it?

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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:52 pm

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 5):

Thats over the pole though.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
 
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:56 pm

Hi!

But we all must agree.....UA947 operates with 777 from AMS to IAD....UA948 operates with 763 from LAX to LHR....shouldn't a LAX/LHR route more "atractive" in the 777? Can I say that there's a need for more 744's or 777's to operate those UA routes???
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:00 pm

Ummmm not really, they use the plane that is right for what the route loads support. Why fly an empty 744 when a 763 will do?
 
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:05 pm

Quoting CV990 (Reply 8):



Quoting CV990 (Reply 8):
...shouldn't a LAX/LHR route more "atractive" in the 777?

They also run a 772 in addition to the 763, it is UA934.
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:14 pm

Hi!

Hey, I don't want you to think that I'm against flying the UA 763!!!! Noop I'm quite pleased, I like very much the 763, I flew it a few years ago from JFK to LGW with BA and it was a wonderfull flight!!! I was just a bit surprised with that fact, beeing a 763ER, but I'm cool! I'll let you know in 3 weeks how it was!
And Planecrazy2 you are absolutely right, there's also a flight with a 777!
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:23 am

#934/935 used to be a 763 before it was upgraded some years ago. Looooong flight on a 763...I was ready to jump out over Utah..  Yeah sure
 
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:47 am

United flew SFO-CDG for years with the 767-300, however there were some points at which the flight operated with the 777-200.

TWA, and American Airlines both flew LAX-CDG with the 767-300.

American Airlines flew SJC-CDG with the 767-300.

Air France flew SFO-CDG with the 767-300 prior to the A343/777/747-400.

Alitalia flew SFO-MXP with the 767-300.

VARIG flew the second daily LAX-GRU (2000-2001) with the 767-300. However the more constant aircraft on the route was MD-11, prior to that 747-300, 747-400.
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:56 am

Quoting Planecrazy2 (Reply 10):
They also run a 772 in addition to the 763, it is UA934.

UA934 is the flight that was running when UA was only doing 1 flight per day on LAX-LHR.

Quoting CV990 (Thread starter):
I just found out that my flight from LAX to LHR ( UA948 ) is going to be operated with the 767-300ER....I was quite surprised because I would expect maybe a flight with the 777 and my flight from AMS to IAD ( UA947 ) is going to be with the 777. I'm glad I'll fly again in a 767 but can anyone explain me why is UA doing this.....just for my humble acknowledgement.

It is nothing new. Ever since United started flying a second LAX-LHR flight again, it has been a 763ER

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
UA generally "sends in the 767s" when loads are light, like during the Low Season.

Nothing low season about it. Read above

Quoting N174UA (Reply 12):
Looooong flight on a 763...I was ready to jump out over Utah..

What the hell for? The 767 is the most comfortable plane to fly on for a long haul, at least when you are in economy.
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:14 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
It is nothing new. Ever since United started flying a second LAX-LHR flight again, it has been a 763ER

Do you remember the days in 2000? 2001? that UA operated a third daily seasonal flight from SFO-LHR with the 763? It departed at 725pm or so. The other flights which were 777 departed at 1245pm? and 500pm?
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:34 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
What the hell for? The 767 is the most comfortable plane to fly on for a long haul, at least when you are in economy.

The 767 takes 1 hours longer to make the trip both to & from LHR-LAX. I've flown both the B767-300ER & B777-200ER on the route. I have to agree with N174UA, when you know you could have taken another airline and been there faster, you're ready to kump out over Utah.

Quoting N174UA (Reply 12):
#934/935 used to be a 763 before it was upgraded some years ago. Looooong flight on a 763...I was ready to jump out over Utah

When was 934 a B767? I though it went from a B744 to B777 and the equipment has never been changed since.
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting CXB744 (Reply 16):
The 767 takes 1 hours longer to make the trip both to & from LHR-LAX. I've flown both the B767-300ER & B777-200ER on the route. I have to agree with N174UA, when you know you could have taken another airline and been there faster, you're ready to kump out over Utah.

Wrong. 20 minutes longer, and again, it is a more comfortable airplane.
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:01 am

Quoting CV990 (Reply 8):
UA948 operates with 763 from LAX to LHR....shouldn't a LAX/LHR route more "atractive" in the 777?

It is. First class on the 777 is far more superior. In economy however, the 767 is better since it has fewer middle seats. The seats and PTVs are the same on both planes since UA did refit the 767s with new seating in business class and economy in the late 90s.

Quoting Afay1 (Reply 9):
Ummmm not really, they use the plane that is right for what the route loads support. Why fly an empty 744 when a 763 will do?

Well a 744 might be the best thing for LAX-LHR. It went to two flights a day with one on a 763ER and one on a 777.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
Wrong. 20 minutes longer, and again, it is a more comfortable airplane.

It isn't in first class. United has two very different first class cabins going up against each other on the same route. The 777s are far more superior with the fully flat suites at 4 abreast whereas the 767s have 5 abreast older generation seats. For $10,000 it is obvious which one I would pick!

Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 6):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
Can a 763ER do LHR-LAX non-stop at MTOW?

Yes, United runs LAX-LHR (United 948) on a 763ER.

It's roughly 8,800km between the city pairs - 763ER can do 11,300 km at best.

While some 763ERs might be able to do the route, some probably can't. Not all of the 767-300ERs are the same since there are different MTOWs depending on engine choices and configuration of the plane. United probably doesn't have the highest weight 763ERs.
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:52 am

TWA never operated 763 between LAX and CDG! They were all operated by B-747-100/200 ! TWA did operated JFK-CAI/TLV flights!
LHR-LAX are not really long flights for a 763!
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:53 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
UA934 is the flight that was running when UA was only doing 1 flight per day on LAX-LHR.

Correct, I am not sure what your point is though. Are you saying they don't run the flight anymore? United.com shows both flights today.
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:35 pm

Quoting Delta777Jet (Reply 19):
TWA never operated 763 between LAX and CDG!

You may want to rethink your assurtion about that one!  wink 
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:55 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
What the hell for? The 767 is the most comfortable plane to fly on for a long haul, at least when you are in economy.

Well, I discovered on that flight that I have a thing with claustrophobia after about 10 hours. And I was in connoisseur class, too. Nothing wrong with the service, it's just that I was at my limit. Ever since that flight, I've always broken up my West Coast-Europe flights with a stop back east, preferrably IAD. Last month I flew to/from FCO via PHL using US Airways. But, even that way, the last half of the flight can really drag, too. 6 of one, half dozen of the other.

Quoting CXB744 (Reply 16):
When was 934 a B767? I though it went from a B744 to B777 and the equipment has never been changed since.

I'm assuming #934 (LAX-LHR) was a 767 from LAX-LHR in April 1996...someone with the OAG guide can confirm. The reason I assume that is because I was on #935, LHR-LAX. I think that 767 that operated as #934 coming would turn for #935 going back to LAX? Perhaps not.

I'm almost certain though that LAX-LHR was never served by a 744 by UA, though. 767 and 777. Perhaps as a substitute, but never on a regular basis. Correct me if I'm wrong, by all means.

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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:57 pm

Quoting Delta777Jet (Reply 19):
TWA never operated 763 between LAX and CDG!

TW indeed operated a 763 between LAX-CDG. Matter of fact for several years!

Quoting CXB744 (Reply 16):
When was 934 a B767? I though it went from a B744 to B777 and the equipment has never been changed since.

934 was a 763 for many years during the mid 90s. This was the same time AA operated LAX-LHR and LAX-ORY/CDG with 763s also.

UA did not operate the 744 LAX-LHR, however did the 747SP briefly when the route began circa 1991 or so. 744s on the other hand have been used regularly on/off the SFO-LHR instead.
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Thu Oct 05, 2006 6:44 pm

Hi!

Sorry to come back to this matter, I'm still a bit "bugged"...I found out that SFO for example have also 2 flights to LHR, UA930 operated with 744 and UA954 operated with 777....well I do think that San Francisco is an awesome place to visit, great sights, etc. etc., but Los Angeles have also great places to visit so I would think that maybe if United offered both flights with 777 would give a value-added to their business, what do you think about these two different "strategies" - SFO = 744 + 777 and LAX = 763 + 777???
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:09 pm

Quoting CV990 (Reply 24):

I dont see what the big deal is. Keep in mind the 763 rotation is simply an extra seasonal flight which ends late Oct. The UA934/935 with a 777 is the core LHR flight.

If you have such a problem with flying a perfectly fine 767 and want to stick to a Star carrier you can always also take Air NZ which currently has 744 between LAX-LHR which will shift to a 777 most of the northern winter. Or you could always also connect via another UA gateway if you truly want to only fly the "larger" 777s or 744.

By the way, this whole discussion begs me to ask, why did you even book the UA 767 flight if it "bugged" you so much??
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:43 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 25):
By the way, this whole discussion begs me to ask, why did you even book the UA 767 flight if it "bugged" you so much??

This probably was the cheaper flight.
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:47 pm

Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 6):
Does anyone know if anyone runs PEK-NYC? The 763ER can do it, but not sure if anyone runs it?

CO flies EWR-PEK, with 772ERs though. I don't know what engines CO uses on them, but even with the most restricted ones (the PW ones, I believe) MTOW range at 263 tonnes is still 11,037km, which is almost equal to the 10,993km G-C distance between EWR and PEK. Headwinds are an issue of course, so I bet CO uses something else than the PW powerplants, or doesn't fly at MTOW. Overall, shouldn't be an issue with the 772ER, as there are engine choices plenty.
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:04 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
and again, it is a more comfortable airplane.

 Yeah sure Matter of opinion.
 
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Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:08 pm

Quoting EHHO (Reply 27):
CO flies EWR-PEK, with 772ERs though. I don't know what engines CO uses on them

GE engines on their 777's. See the latest issue of airways.

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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:58 am

Hi LaxIntl!

Did you at any time see me complaining about flying the 767??? Did you checked out what I said about flying UA 767? My first post and my reply 11 says everything, and maybe if you have read it you would understand.....my last post was only because I found interesting seeing SFO getting heavier planes that LAX, and I asked maybe someone could explain me that...simply has that. But because you feeling a bit "sick" with my questions I'm going to answer you:

1 - I don't have ANY PROBLEM flying the 767!
2 - I didn't booked my flight, I was invited to come to California and someone in this state booked the flight for me!
3 - I'm not going to change my flight because simply I never said that I was not going to fly the 767!!!

I hope now I cleared you ( and any other fellows here ) about my post regarding the UA948 operating with the 763!
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:01 am

CV990, SFO is a larger UA hub then LAX is, so UA gets more traffic via SFO then LAX, and therefore justifies larger planes.
 
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:15 am

Hi!

Stitch, well that's the answer I wanted...thanks a lot pal! Now I fully understand and it clears something that ALWAYS bugged me...I felt that UA LAX operations were bigger than in SFO, of course I was wrong! Once again thanks!
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:15 am

Doesn't UA have a AMS-IAD on a 763. UA 903 I believe. The second part of this flight number I think is UA 903 IAD-DEN with a 777.
If I was traveling from AMS-IAD-DEN all on 903, would I get one Boarding pass or two since there on different a/c?
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:24 am

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 33):
If I was traveling from AMS-IAD-DEN all on 903, would I get one Boarding pass or two since there on different a/c?

You would receive two BPs: one for the AMS-IAD segment and one for the IAD-DEN.
 
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:02 am

Piror to the 777 they flew 763 from LAX to LHR for years. 747 were used from SFO to LHR, LAX was always a 763 before the 777.
 
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RE: UA948 Operated With Boeing 767-300ER!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:09 pm

Quoting CXB744 (Reply 16):
The 767 takes 1 hours longer to make the trip both to & from LHR-LAX.

You might be thinking of the A34X, which is the slowest of all widebody aircraft.
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