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Will Airlines Want The First Twenty A380s?

Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:16 am

From leeham.net:

“The first 20 airplanes or so might be considered the “A” model,” this customer says.” The question will be whether anyone wants to take these models with all the wiring issues and bugs.” Instead, this person says, airlines might prefer to take an A380 three years into production, after all the bugs have been worked out. Taking an early-run airplane might invite complex maintenance issues over the wiring installations.

Another airline executive, whose company has not ordered the A380, made similar observations. In addition to the potential maintenance issues, this executive also raised the specter of what will be necessary if a leasing company re-leases an A380 that has different wiring requirements.


http://www.leeham.net/filelib/ScottsColumn_3_10032006.pdf

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RE: Will Airlines Want The First Twenty A380s?

Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:28 am

Why not? Airbus won't deliever defected planes!
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RE: Will Airlines Want The First Twenty A380s?

Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:29 am

This is no different from getting the 1st 20 A320s, the 1st 20 737s, the 1st 20 777s, etc. Perhaps we should talk to BA and see what they thought about their GE powered 777s and their "performance" compared to the RR powered 777s.
 
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RE: Will Airlines Want The First Twenty A380s?

Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:31 am

The first 20 380s will be just fine, frankly they have to be with all the delays.
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RE: Will Airlines Want The First Twenty A380s?

Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:31 am

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
Why not? Airbus won't deliever defected planes!

Then what are these customers worried about?

I never buy a car in its first model year for this very reason. I wait until they get the bugs worked out.

I realize SOMEBODY has to go first, but it doesn't have to be ME.

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RE: Will Airlines Want The First Twenty A380s?

Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:36 am

I imagine most aircraft projects improve over their lifetimes, so even if MSN001-MSN020 were "perfect", chances are MSN201 might be better, still.

Airbus may offer some maintenance guarantees on these first birds (kind of like Boeing's "Gold Care Package") to help assuage any concerns.
 
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RE: Will Airlines Want The First Twenty A380s?

Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:54 am

I love the way the leeham report talks of "one executive said" and "another customer said"

If anyone on a.net wrote that we would go for their throats. I digest the information as presented.

I can see addendum's to the original contracts for the first 20 planes

Smart move by SQ taking 9 of their options up, I can't imagine the deal they've got. Great way to fly and great way to do business.
 
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RE: Will Airlines Want The First Twenty A380s?

Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:35 am

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 6):
I love the way the leeham report talks of "one executive said" and "another customer said"

Sometimes the only way to get a source to talk is by promising not to name them. Reuters does it too:

Quote:
"They have been under pressure to complete the first planes. There were a lot of changes and if you don't have a good system to track those changes, you get problems. You end up fixing things with elastic bands and paper clips," the source said.

http://in.today.reuters.com/news/new...NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-270774-1.xml

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RE: Will Airlines Want The First Twenty A380s?

Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:13 am

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 6):
Smart move by SQ taking 9 of their options up, I can't imagine the deal they've got. Great way to fly and great way to do business.

Yes, here I agree with you. (surprise, surprise). SQ is taking 380s regardless, so why not add more for next to nothing (in relative terms), maintain fleet commonality, etc. Plus those 9 are tied to 350XWBs which they probably got at rock bottom 'crazy eddy' prices as well.
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RE: Will Airlines Want The First Twenty A380s?

Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:46 am

Sometimes the publicity of being the first to buy a product weighs more favourably than the 'bad' aspect of owning a new procuct
 
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RE: Will Airlines Want The First Twenty A380s?

Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:12 pm

When someone starts mentioning wiring problems in the first 20 airplanes, I start thinking of L-049 Constellations, or the Swissair MD-11.

The 747 almost busted Boeing. The A-380 may do the same to Airbus. And even though they have sold a number of copies, the market for more orders is not there. Look at how many routes were once flown with 747's and are now flown by much smaller airplanes.
 
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RE: Will Airlines Want The First Twenty A380s?

Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:23 pm

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 6):
I love the way the leeham report talks of "one executive said" and "another customer said"

It's almost always possible to find one customer willing to say just about anything. These will be safe to fly; otherwise they wouldn't be certified. I do think the releasing concern is valid though.
 
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RE: Will Airlines Want The First Twenty A380s?

Fri Oct 06, 2006 2:26 pm

Quoting David_itl (Reply 2):
This is no different from getting the 1st 20 A320s, the 1st 20 737s, the 1st 20 777s, etc. Perhaps we should talk to BA and see what they thought about their GE powered 777s and their "performance" compared to the RR powered 777s.

I dunno, the first few A340-600s were real lemons. Just ask Cathay Pacific.
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