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AeroSur Boeing 747-100!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:18 am

Was yesterday seen @ VVI in full c/s!!! Does anybody has pictures of this new baby??? What internal config does it have, what routes will it fly???

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RE: AeroSur Boeing 747-100!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:36 am

Just a guess, are there really any B747-100 still flying pax (outside SV, IR...) on the second hand market, or was it a B747-200 ?
 
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RE: AeroSur Boeing 747-100!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:58 am

Aerosur is operating B747-200's wet-leased from Air Plus Comet and flying twice a week frm VVI to MAD.

Tourist class is configured in 2-4-3 and Business in 2-2-2.
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RE: AeroSur Boeing 747-100!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:06 am

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 2):
Aerosur is operating B747-200's wet-leased from Air Plus Comet and flying twice a week frm VVI to MAD.

Yeap, but now they have their own jet! 23150/601 - 5U-ACF ex. N748LA former JAL bird and last flown by Logistic Air.

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RE: AeroSur Boeing 747-100!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:07 am

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 2):
2-4-3

Really?!
 
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RE: AeroSur Boeing 747-100!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:56 am

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 3):
Yeap, but now they have their own jet! 23150/601 - 5U-ACF ex. N748LA former JAL bird and last flown by Logistic Air.

Oh, this is the "new Jumbo Jet" announced here in the press? Any idea of the construction date / cycles flown and if it has been active all the time or stored in the desert or jungle somewhere for sometime?
 
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RE: AeroSur Boeing 747-100!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:59 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 4):
Really?!

I'll second this comment ! And 2-2-2 in business also seems like 30 years ago.
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RE: AeroSur Boeing 747-100!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:09 am

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 3):
23150/601 - 5U-ACF ex. N748LA former JAL bird



Quoting 123 (Reply 5):
Any idea of the construction date

Well, it isn't "that" old after all...   It's a B747-146B and has flown for the first time October 25th, 1984, and delivered December 4th, the same year to JL.

Here are two pics of the old cukoo with its former operators. Both pictures say that it's a B747-146B/SR but not in my production list.


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RE: AeroSur Boeing 747-100!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:57 am

We are all waiting to see AeroSur's own 747. I'm sure someone will capture it in MAD in the next few days.

The only thing I can find is this website which shows AeroSur's operation with the wet-leased Air Plus Comet 747 they used to operate:

http://aeroblogs.aeropuertosarg.com.ar/envivodesdevvi.php

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RE: AeroSur Boeing 747-100!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:13 am

To me, it doesn't make sense to use a SR version designed specially for intra-asian short hops on VVI-MAD. How is the range of the SR version?
 
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RE: AeroSur Boeing 747-100!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting Jetfan (Reply 9):
How is the range of the SR version?

No matter what, I bet she´s a real gas guzzler !!!

Question is, will they be able to fill up the junker and get close to a break even point in its operation ?

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RE: AeroSur Boeing 747-100!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:01 am

Quoting XA744 (Reply 10):
No matter what, I bet she´s a real gas guzzler !!!

5L operations are mainly based on (Ex MX) 722s, which are even more gas guzzlers! So the business model seems to work for them. Don't ask me how!

But, thanks 5L, for giving me the experience to feel the thunder of a 722 flying right over my head on take off from SRE! There's no such plane today! Hope they can afford the gas some more time  Smile.

But i still doubt the SR to MAD, maybe for some intra South America operations? But I have no clue which route may justify a 747 SR. MIA seems to be out of range, like MAD.
 
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RE: AeroSur Boeing 747-100!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:10 am

Quoting Jetfan (Reply 11):
But i still doubt the SR to MAD, maybe for some intra South America operations?

According to airfleets.net is a 747-146B not a SR so I guess that bird has the range for the MAD operations
 
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RE: AeroSur Boeing 747-100!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:16 am

It's a 530-seater. I know the range of a 747-400D is 2,905km with 568 pax + cargo. Anyone know the range of the -100B(SR)?

Bolivia is certainly witnessing some interesting aircraft these days! LAB's 727-200s with winglets, Globejet L-1011 TriStar 500s operating for LAB, Air Plus Comet aircraft operating for AeroSur, the last 727-100 in Latin America (CP-861, don't know if she is still flying). Who knows, if AeroSur send their quirky Jumbo to EZE, I might pay Bolivia another visit!

Good luck to both of them!

Saludos,

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RE: AeroSur Boeing 747-100!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:24 am

Quoting LVZXV (Reply 13):
It's a 530-seater. I know the range of a 747-400D is 2,905km with 568 pax + cargo. Anyone know the range of the -100B(SR)?

Judging by two of the other posts in this forum, I don't think it's actually an SR model. It makes sense, since the SR version probably wouldn't be able to make it to Madrid from any part of Bolivia.
 
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RE: AeroSur Boeing 747-100!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:58 am

Did I hear LAB has L1011-500? what routes?
 
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RE: AeroSur Boeing 747-100!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:42 pm

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Reply 15):
Did I hear LAB has L1011-500? what routes?

Flies to Madrid 3x a week.
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RE: AeroSur Boeing 747-100!

Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:38 pm


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Here you have it landing in MAD, I would love to have the oportunity to fly in a Tristar one more time.

Maybe I will take a trip to Spain via VVI  Big grin
 
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RE: AeroSur Boeing 747-100!

Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:49 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 14):
Judging by two of the other posts in this forum, I don't think it's actually an SR model. It makes sense, since the SR version probably wouldn't be able to make it to Madrid from any part of Bolivia.

Don't get me wrong, the -SR stuff makes no sense to me either, but I believe JAL never operated any ordinary 747-100s (or -100Bs for that matter). As far as I can tell, JAL operated seven SR-46s, three -146B(SR)s and two -146B(SUD/SR)s. All have been retired except one of the latter.

It is also of my understanding that the conversion of an -SR variant to its normal equivalent (which would involve extensive re-wiring and installation of extra fuel tanks among other things) is simply to complex to be economically worthwhile, especially on a 22-year-old aircraft like 5U-ACF.

All indications would suggest she is indeed an -SR, now if someone could shed light on its range or its specific purpose for AeroSur, I would be very much obliged...

Saludos,

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P.S. Doesn't Kalitta (or Kittyhawk, never remember which!) operated some ex-JAL SR-46 freighters on longish range routes?
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