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Baseler's Blog For 10/6/06

Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:59 am

Here's a link to Randy Baseler's blog. Quite classy if you ask me. John Leahy could learn a thing or two from him. Perhaps that's why he's so quiet!

http://www.boeing.com/randy/archives/2006/10/staying_focused.html
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RE: Baseler's Blog For 10/6/06

Sat Oct 07, 2006 3:08 am

There are quite a few people in this forum who take A vs. B threads too far that could also learn a thing or two Baseler's statement.
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 3:12 am

It's classy but he gets in all of the Boeing talking points:

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We have a very sound backlog and full production lines



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we're quite pleased already with the response from the market to our 747-8



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The very large airplane segment, by the way, is a very small piece of the bigger whole. Which is why we didn't pursue a direct competitor to the A380 in the first place.



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As for BCA, we are staying focused on the needs of our customers, on the execution of our business plan, and on delivering on our promises.

The guy is a master of P.R. No doubt about it.
 
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 3:13 am

I liked the end of the blog the best: and on delivering on our promises
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 3:14 am

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
Here's a link to Randy Baseler's blog. Quite classy if you ask me. John Leahy could learn a thing or two from him. Perhaps that's why he's so quiet!

John who?  duck 

Seriously, he's got the right attitude about this mess. All of us would probably agree with his sentiments.
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 3:39 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 3):
I liked the end of the blog the best: and on delivering on our promises

I thought the same thing DAYflyer. That messaging wasn't lost on me. Overall I agree with his sentiments though, and applaud Boeing for continuing to take the high road. No blatant "I told you so" comments, or anything like that. The high road is always best -- anything other than that approach would do nothing but paint a big red target on BCA (and, specifically, the ramp-up of 787 production).

Way to go Boeing. Class all the way.
 
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 3:44 am

A very professional statement by Baseler in his blog. After all, even if A and B are fierce competitors and there might be disputes between the two at the WTO, they can't trash the competition when they (the competition) are in trouble.

Very nicely put, Randy. I like how he showed professionality regarding the problems at Airbus and the effects on Boeing.
 
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:03 am

Have said it repeatedly--why doesn't Airbus blog? They need to get their story "out there". Doesn't have to be someone like Leahy, but they need a way to counter this very effective blog.
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 7):
why doesn't Airbus blog?

I can only imagine that perhaps
a) they've got their hands full
b) It's an americanism, these things take a while to cross the atlantic. In the uk, our opposition party leader recently put out a video blog, a first in Uk politics. don't think it will catch on
c) I guess the Europeans aren't as easily seduced by a document full of PR hyperbull and glib sentiments that actually say absolutely nothing new in the world
 
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:22 am

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 8):
c) I guess the Europeans aren't as easily seduced by a document full of PR hyperbull and glib sentiments that actually say absolutely nothing new in the world

I don't think "seduced" is the right word. I think that the reason people (even most Airbus fanboys, except yourself) like Randy's blog is that Boeing makes an effort to tell people what is going on. This extends beyond mere PR blogs such as this to transparency in the accounting and orders system, to financial outlooks, and many other things. That's why people like(d) Streiff, but if rumors are true, that brief experiment has come to an end.
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 8):
c) I guess the Europeans aren't as easily seduced by a document full of PR hyperbull and glib sentiments that actually say absolutely nothing new in the world

Then why does Airbus employ a salesman who does nothing but spew out Airbus hyperbull and glib sentiments (I'm talking about John Leahy, if you didn't catch on).
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 7):
Have said it repeatedly--why doesn't Airbus blog? They need to get their story "out there". Doesn't have to be someone like Leahy, but they need a way to counter this very effective blog.

Agreed. Mr. Baseler may not really be telling us much we don't already know, but it serves to verify, and greatly enhances the perception of Boeing as being transparent. Airbus leaves us speculating as to what in the world is going on, with many different "unnamed company officials" leaking various points of view. Not a wise strategy for Airbus.

I fear that Airbus would get bogged down arguing who would be their official blogger.
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:26 am

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 11):
Airbus leaves us speculating as to what in the world is going on, with many different "unnamed company officials" leaking various points of view.

This is a good point. Most of what we hear from Airbus seems to come from leaks; Conversely, most Boeing information comes from the appropriate official channel for a given piece of information.
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:36 am

I admire Randy for the way he talks openly about Boeing and Airbus as a competitor. I agree with the comment that that's how a PR (Or Blog) should be made rather than going all guns blazing and getting into a mud slinging war like Mr Leahy. I remember a thread about Leahy with his early comments about Boeing introducing the 7E7 (787) and with him posting about how the A330 would be a better plane etc.

Boeing knows what they are doing and have a strong market with the 787 and Randy reinforces the fact that its making steady progress via his Blogs.

The A380 delay is of course is a complete let down in the Airbus camp but I still firmly believe that it will be a good aircraft.

In the end, I think Airbus need to adopt a strategy like Randys.  Smile
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:37 am

I wish Airbus could adopt a structure like tha tof Boeing..they would a more fierce competitor if they did.
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 8):
I guess the Europeans aren't as easily seduced by a document full of PR hyperbull and glib sentiments that actually say absolutely nothing new in the world

You can tell when Airbus is in real trouble when its bigger cheerleader starts spouting shrill, anti-American hyperbull to compensate.
 
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:46 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 10):
Then why does Airbus employ a salesman who does nothing but spew out Airbus hyperbull and glib sentiments (I'm talking about John Leahy, if you didn't catch on).

Yes it's a blessing that he hasn't got a blog. We just have to stop the B man from his periodical dribble. No doubt at the first hint of trouble at fortress B, the dribble will disappear in a flash!

It's just another battlefront for PR war. In fact didn't the americans invent "the hype"? Then didn't another group of americans famously say "don't believe the hype"?

Quoting N328KF (Reply 9):
This extends beyond mere PR blogs such as this to transparency in the accounting and orders system, to financial outlooks, and many other things.



Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 11):
Agreed. Mr. Baseler may not really be telling us much we don't already know, but it serves to verify, and greatly enhances the perception of Boeing as being transparent.

You both say that it extends the transparency of the new B. I am not sure how it does that, as he says absolutely nothing new. TeamAmerica says it well, "greatly enhances the perception of Boeing as being transparent".

It remains just so, a perception.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 12):
Most of what we hear from Airbus seems to come from leaks; Conversely, most Boeing information comes from the appropriate official channel for a given piece of information.

This is not as a result of the lack of blogs. FYI news from Airbus has not always come from such sources. But in troubled times, employees do some truly strange things, don't they?
 
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:48 am

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 11):
I fear that Airbus would get bogged down arguing who would be their official blogger.

Good point! And...would it be in French or German? Couldn't have English, now could we?

Quoting Glom (Reply 15):
You can tell when Airbus is in real trouble when its bigger cheerleader starts spouting shrill, anti-American hyperbull to compensate.

It's been a tough week....
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:53 am

Quoting ZBA320 (Reply 13):
In the end, I think Airbus need to adopt a strategy like Randys.  

Ahh the response from a younger Englishman, one of our ipod generation. Perhaps I am getting too old already.

Quoting Glom (Reply 15):
You can tell when Airbus is in real trouble when its bigger cheerleader starts spouting shrill, anti-American hyperbull to compensate.

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Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 8):
It's an americanism, these things take a while to cross the atlantic.

I guess the Europeans aren't as easily seduced by a document full of PR hyperbull and glib sentiments that actually say absolutely nothing new in the world

No--you were right the first time--you're just slow.

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Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 16):
Yes it's a blessing that he hasn't got a blog. We just have to stop the B man from his periodical dribble. No doubt at the first hint of trouble at fortress B, the dribble will disappear in a flash!

Mere supposition on your part. I doubt this entirely.

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 16):
It's just another battlefront for PR war. In fact didn't the americans invent "the hype"? Then didn't another group of americans famously say "don't believe the hype"?

Umm...no, Americans can claim to have invented lots of things, but hype is pretty universal. It's like saying Americans invented advertising.

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 16):
You both say that it extends the transparency of the new B. I am not sure how it does that, as he says absolutely nothing new. TeamAmerica says it well, "greatly enhances the perception of Boeing as being transparent".

It remains just so, a perception.

Perception is reality, my friend. If customers value such openness and perceive Boeing to be transparent while Airbus is opaque...guess who gets the orders? It matters not at all how good your product may be if your customers don't perceive it to be good. Perception is all.
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:17 am

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 20):
Perception is reality, my friend. If customers value such openness and perceive Boeing to be transparent while Airbus is opaque...guess who gets the orders? It matters not at all how good your product may be if your customers don't perceive it to be good. Perception is all.

Well I truly hope that not a single customer purchases a Boeing plane because of that blog.

Your statement may well be true in the fickle consumer goods world of pepsi cola and nike shoes but please not planes. Surely not.

God help us if ever our leaders Bush and Blair ever used your "perception is all" model in the Middle East?
 
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 21):
Well I truly hope that not a single customer purchases a Boeing plane because of that blog.

The blog is just one small element in an overall company strategy of how to present itself to its customers.

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 21):
Your statement may well be true in the fickle consumer goods world of pepsi cola and nike shoes but please not planes. Surely not.

Surely so. Given a choice of Coke or Pepsi, people do decide. A320 v. B737NG...people decide. You can't discount the intangible elements.

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 21):
God help us if ever our leaders Bush and Blair ever used your "perception is all" model in the Middle East?

God help us if we start coloring aviation discussions with political comments.  wink 
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 22):
Well I truly hope that not a single customer purchases a Boeing plane because of that blog

Why do you think the blog is designed towards the airline customer only ? Boeing is a public company and a lot of the things they do(including marketing) is for investors,shareholders,media people and other who might be interested to know what is going on over there . It is just another way for the company to communicate to the people ( shareholders,entusiasts etc) who are interested . I doubt that a airline CEO wakes up checks out the blog and orders jets worth a few billion dollars  Wink
 
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:50 am

There is a very simple reason for why Boeing does have a blog, and Airbus doesn't.

For Boeing, the shareholder is the Boss - and the shareholder demands transparency and timely information. Without them, the shareholder will take his money elsewhere.

For Airbus, the Bosses are Chirac and Merkel. Airbus doesn't care about the shareholder, and the politicians don't want transparency - on the contrary, they only want filtered news that supports their political ambitions.
 
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:55 am

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 22):
God help us if we start coloring aviation discussions with political comments.

Indeed! talk of Chirac and Merkel has stained these discussions a little too much.

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 23):
It is just another way for the company to communicate to the people ( shareholders,entusiasts etc) who are interested . I doubt that a airline CEO wakes up checks out the blog and orders jets worth a few billion dollars  

perhaps not, it is perceiveable that they do and as a result of doing so, they've ordered B planes.

i meant it is possible that Geoff Dixon is at this very moment reading the blog and has seen this quote


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we're quite pleased already with the response from the market to our 747-8
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And is about to put in an order for the plane for QF.
 
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:02 am

Quoting Katekebo (Reply 24):
For Airbus, the Bosses are Chirac and Merkel.

I have already explained why it is wrong for people to continue referring to Merkel. Anyhow, here is the breakdown of EADS ownership:
  1. EADS employees: 3.6%
  2. Russian state: 5%
  3. Spanish state: 5.5%
  4. Lagardere: 15.2%
  5. French state: 16%
  6. Public: 25.5%
  7. DaimlerChrysler: 30.2%
The German state is no where in there (yet.)

Note: I rounded to the nearest decimal place.
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:03 am

Posible but highly unlikely IMHO . It would be very unproffesional for an airline executive to not get most of his queries and info directly from the person selling him the aircraft rather then a blog ( unproffesional on both sides really) . I mean if Randy talks about how the Dreamliner is going to be effecient etc A prospective 787 buyer who is looking into the aircraft should have allready recieved briefs and info packets on the 787 and his knowledge should be far more extensive then what randy puts out on his blog . DITTO with the 747-8 , if a prospective customer is interested in buying it and is in talks with boeing he should know quite a lot more on how the sales and marketting effort is going on boeing's front . Even if there is an airline that has never talked to boeing , it should seem logical that boeing contact them and occasionaly inform them on a new product in much more detail then what randy posts on his blog , it would only seem good and reaching out .
 
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:32 am

Those who dispute the value of blogging may find this article interesting. Sun Microsystem's CEO wants to use Blogs to Disclose Financial Information. It seems that the "disease" is spreading, despite the misgivings of some of our members here.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/061006/sec_ceo_blogs.html?.v=1

Now that would be transparancy!
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:38 am

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 8):
Quoting Lumberton (Reply 7):
why doesn't Airbus blog?

I can only imagine that perhaps
a) they've got their hands full
b) It's an americanism, these things take a while to cross the atlantic. In the uk, our opposition party leader recently put out a video blog, a first in Uk politics. don't think it will catch on
c) I guess the Europeans aren't as easily seduced by a document full of PR hyperbull and glib sentiments that actually say absolutely nothing new in the world

The answer to your snooty flatulizing is that people are free to take it or leave it. It's like a lot of stuff-informative, interesting, certainly not the Great Satan Randy luring in the gullible yokels from Des Moines who don't know any better and can't think their way out of a paper bag...

Airbus is missing out on a great opportunity to get their ideas out there on the cheap, then. D'you really think Randy writes this stuff? If you do, then he fooled you again.

It's a matter of getting your ideas out and then letting people decide if they're interested and other wise want to make up their own minds about the content....we even call it "the marketplace of ideas". Blogs that are witty and informative without taking themselves too seriously are worth reading...the ones that are too down in the mouth don't get any action.

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Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:38 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 14):
I wish Airbus could adopt a structure like tha tof Boeing..they would a more fierce competitor if they did.


What does that even mean?

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Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:38 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 26):
I have already explained why it is wrong for people to continue referring to Merkel.

It's not about ownership, but overall control of the company. Although the German government does not have direct ownership in EADS, they have a big say over management apointments, decisions, etc.
 
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:43 am

Quoting Katekebo (Reply 31):
It's not about ownership, but overall control of the company. Although the German government does not have direct ownership in EADS, they have a big say over management apointments, decisions, etc.

First of all, (as I have already said), Merkel is a laissez-faire type. Her finance minister, however, is not.

Secondly, Mr. Zietsche over at DCX is the person who calls the shots on how to vote that company's 30% of EADS stock. DCX is a public company. While they do have to pay attention to the government, they are not beholden to it.

That said, the worrying part is the French government's stake, and its interest in increasing both its stake and that of the Spanish government.
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:50 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 32):
That said, the worrying part is the French government's stake, and its interest in increasing both its stake and that of the Spanish government.

The current German government is a coalition. The left and the unions definitely have a say. Dr. Z and the Chancellor are not immune from this.
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:52 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 32):

Mr. Zietsche

Dr. Z, not Mr.  Smile

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Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:54 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 33):
The current German government is a coalition. The left and the unions definitely have a say. Dr. Z and the Chancellor are not immune from this.

I do think I said that DCX does have to listen to the government.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 34):
Dr. Z, not Mr.

Yes, how could I forget?
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:56 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 35):
I do think I said that DCX does have to listen to the government.

Point being that the German government will do whatever it takes to preserve jobs, as will the French.
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:11 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 29):
Democracy works-Youse guys should get down off your ever so high horses and try it.

You'll find we invented the bloody thing.

whatever does your rant have to do with the subject of Baseler's "banal" blog?
 
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:21 am

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 37):
Quoting Dougloid (Reply 29):
Democracy works-Youse guys should get down off your ever so high horses and try it.

You'll find we invented the bloody thing.

Uh, last I checked the Greeks "invented" democracy.

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 7):
Have said it repeatedly--why doesn't Airbus blog? They need to get their story "out there". Doesn't have to be someone like Leahy, but they need a way to counter this very effective blog.

As nice as Randy's blog is, I don't think the general public reads the blog as regularly as a.net members. Also, I don't think customers or shareholders read the blog regularly either, so I don't know how effective this blog is. Public news releases are more important.
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:26 am

Quoting LY4XELD (Reply 38):
Also, I don't think customers or shareholders read the blog regularly either, so I don't know how effective this blog is. Public news releases are more important.

I'm willing to bet that most reporters who cover the aviation beat read Randy's Blog. Wouldn't that be conducive to getting one's message out?
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:31 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 39):
I'm willing to bet that most reporters who cover the aviation beat read Randy's Blog. Wouldn't that be conducive to getting one's message out?

Well it would say a lot about investigative journalism huh?
 
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:37 am

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 40):
Well it would say a lot about investigative journalism huh?

Gives them more time to enjoy the free food and booze at the Airbus chalets at airshows.  Wink
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:45 am

I think Airbus would be happier if Randy gloated. It would give them focus for their recovery: hatred. Being so nice is so interminable. It means they're winning and they can't hate them for it.
 
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Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:03 pm

Quoting Glom (Reply 42):
I think Airbus would be happier if Randy gloated.

I agree with you, Glom. How many times have we seen this happen in sports, where the coach of an opposing team makes stupid and inflamatory comments, and then his team gets their collective @$$es handed to them because his comments inspired the opposition? Boeing needs to avoid the "chinese copy" and "dreaming in Seattle" type comments at all costs.
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:54 am

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 37):
Quoting Dougloid (Reply 29):
Democracy works-Youse guys should get down off your ever so high horses and try it.

You'll find we invented the bloody thing.

whatever does your rant have to do with the subject of Baseler's "banal" blog?

I'm about half way through Pepys' Diaries and I don't see a whisper of democracy so far....

the point, my dear fellow, is that, as I said, Airbus mised out on a great opportunity to get information to a lot of people on the cheap. But do they do it? Nooooooooooooo. They're too GOOD for that, don't you see?

Airbus like always, fiddled while Rome burned.
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RE: Baseler's Blog For 10/6/06

Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:44 am

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
John Leahy could learn a thing or two from him. Perhaps that's why he's so quiet!

This is very a a.net thing to compare Baseler and Leahy : they just don't have the same job.

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 7):
Have said it repeatedly--why doesn't Airbus blog?

Randy's blog is hardly a blog : it looks and sounds like a blog but it is not.

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 7):
They need to get their story "out there".

http://www.airbus.com/en/

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 8):
c) I guess the Europeans aren't as easily seduced by a document full of PR hyperbull and glib sentiments that actually say absolutely nothing new in the world

Blog are very popular in Europe too. But i agree with EbbUK, this blog sounds like many sweety US movies with tons of good sentiments, promoting values, family, religion, neighbourhood, the family dog, etc. the "everybody is nice" style...

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RE: Baseler's Blog For 10/6/06

Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:45 pm

Baseler seems to be saying that in the long term everything will be the same.

There is something he does not want to mention - the reason things will probably be the same in the long term. What Boeing tends to do when times get good is to cut down on new product investments, get lazy in marketing, fight all sorts of internal battles, underestimate its competitors and give them time to get back on their feet. That is how they let Airbus get started and that is probably how they are going to let Airbus survive now.

Unless, that is, a third player comes a long or Boeing's management gets wise. All the players making parts for the 7E7 could just as easily make parts for someone else - that is one one of the perils of outsourcing......
 
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RE: Baseler's Blog For 10/6/06

Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:51 pm

Quoting Aither (Reply 45):
Blog are very popular in Europe too. But i agree with EbbUK, this blog sounds like many sweety US movies with tons of good sentiments, promoting values, family, religion, neighbourhood, the family dog, etc. the "everybody is nice" style...

Apparently you have a problem with positive thinking and constructive dialogue about working together.... which goes a long way to explain why minorities in France are restless and angry. We confronted that problem here in the early sixties and although it isn't fixed, we're working on it, which is something you all have yet to attempt. Well, never mind. Time marches on.

I have a great idea that will satisfy all the Europeans here who seem to have a problem with Randy's Blog being a little on the saccharine side

Announcing the Airbus official "Sour Grapes Fuck You All" blog...no news, no updates just vicarious insults from bored engineers who can't be bothered to get off their fat asses and go out in the factory and see whether the fucking parts really fit.....there could be competing blogs from every European country where they've got a factory all devoted to blaming the other guys....
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RE: Baseler's Blog For 10/6/06

Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:09 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 26):
I have already explained why it is wrong for people to continue referring to Merkel.

And I certainly applaud your effort - I've been trying to do the same for days, but I'm feeling a bit like Don Quixote... guess you know the feeling as well by now...  Wink

Quoting N328KF (Reply 26):
The German state is no where in there (yet.)

... and I certainly hope it stays that way, but...

Quoting N328KF (Reply 32):
That said, the worrying part is the French government's stake, and its interest in increasing both its stake and that of the Spanish government.

... much more worrying for me is actually the fact that some German politicians are using specifically the French influence in Airbus as reasoning for pushing for a German (as in "the State") entry into Airbus.

Then again, some politicians (from the CDU (Angela Merkel's party)/CSU) have clearly stated their opposition to that idea - and I hope that they prevail in this.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 34):
Mr. Zietsche

Dr. Z, not Mr.

Well... actually, it's neither: it's Dr. Zetsche - not Zietsche...  Wink

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 36):
Point being that the German government will do whatever it takes to preserve jobs, as will the French.

To be honest, I applaud the fact that they try everything to preserve jobs - that's what they were elected to do, that's one of the prime responsibilities of a government.

Its just the way that the government goes about doing this is what worries me... but maybe those members of the CDU/CSU currently arguing for the strategy of trying to get the French state out of Airbus, instead of the German state into Airbus, will win... I certainly hope so...
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RE: Baseler's Blog For 10/6/06

Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:18 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 47):
Apparently you have a problem with positive thinking and constructive dialogue about working together....


Because there is a dialogue in this so called blog ?

I see tons of hypocrisy and it is never constructive.

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