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Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:13 pm

Two passenger 747-8 vip jets ordered? So who ordered them? Must be nice to have that kind of cash laying around.



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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:22 pm

The more so as they are from a North American customer who booked them on the same day!

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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:46 pm

I have no reason to believe this, but I'll throw it out there anyways...

USAF? The VC-25s are getting on in years...
 
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:17 pm

Actually as these frames are now listed under Boeing Business Jets all BBJs are listed as North American as BBJ is in effect the customer and are based in North America

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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:24 pm

so they are the first customers for 747-8i?
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:32 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 2):
The VC-25s are getting on in years

They'll be around for 30 more years. Even then, they'll have low hours/low cycles.

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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:35 pm

Glad to see 767 orders. I wonder if LAN ordered more?
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:19 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 5):
They'll be around for 30 more years. Even then, they'll have low hours/low cycles.

Very true. Can't help but speculate on it though. The number of units it's very coincidental and I can't imagine who else would want such a large platform.  scratchchin 
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:09 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 3):
Actually as these frames are now listed under Boeing Business Jets all BBJs are listed as North American as BBJ is in effect the customer and are based in North America

LOL! You got me there, friend.  bigthumbsup  To throw in something crazier - maybe Canada took pity on Boeing and tried to help jumpstart 748i production by replacing their A310s. Or Putin took umbrage at being rebuffed by Airbus and decided to improve relations with the US instead and swap his Ilyushin for a 748i. Or 10 Downing finally convicing the Minister of the Exchequer that leasing a BBJ was rather demeaning and that an Intercontinental is more beffitting for the Royals.  Smile
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:45 pm

Yes, I felt with the poor service and endless hassels involved in flying these days, I'd buy a pair of pimped out '47's for me and my fellow A.net pals to fly around and spot in. Hope to have um' in a few months..... I'll let you now. Cheers Mate! Tyrone Rock-a-fella
 
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:42 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 5):
They'll be around for 30 more years. Even then, they'll have low hours/low cycles.

Keep hearing this, but there's no basis in fact to support it. Low cycles doesn't matter here. It's technology and safety, and they aren't going to retrofit the VC25s they have. They'll get new jets and spend the 2 years to appoint them. The old VC25s would remain in the Air Force fleet for other purposes, once stripped.

As the first VC25 approaches 20 years old, replacement will be planned. Further, if they want a quad, they better get the 748i before it's too late, as it's the last quad America will produce.

Once the government 757s get too old (many years off), wonder what will be around to replace them?
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:42 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
As the first VC25 approaches 20 years old, replacement will be planned. Further, if they want a quad, they better get the 748i before it's too late, as it's the last quad America will produce.

At the time the VC25's were ordered, I seem to remember that even though the 744 was in the pipeline, they went with the 742 because it was a "proven technology". If that is correct, wouldn' the same thing apply here?

I personally think they should order it for the very reason you suggest. If they do not, they will not be able to ever get a quad again.

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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:12 am

What about the "flying pentagons"? They are getting fairly old. Maybe it´s time to replace a couple.
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:21 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 2):
I have no reason to believe this, but I'll throw it out there anyways...

USAF? The VC-25s are getting on in years...

This was my thinking. It would be interesting to see the first passenger versions of the plane come out as Air Force One.
 
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:32 am

You guys are kidding, right? The Air Force is going to order new Presidential aircraft without a competitive bid and in secret? Does anybody remember the Marine One presidential helicopter competition within the past couple of years? It was hard-fought and very public. So would be the VC-25 replacement.

To say that these aircraft might somehow need to be replaced anytime soon is just beyond cavil. Until very recently, they still flew the same airframes that took Nixon home after his impeachment, and nobody complained. The Air Force still flies C-5s and B-52s and old, old DC9s. There is a culture in military procurement of upgrading and refining existing equipment before just buying new. And believe me, those VC-25s are basically new.
 
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting DYflyer (Reply 12):
What about the "flying pentagons"? They are getting fairly old. Maybe it´s time to replace a couple.

did you read 1 single word of this thread appart from the first post?
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:35 am

Quoting Flyabunch (Reply 11):
At the time the VC25's were ordered, I seem to remember that even though the 744 was in the pipeline, they went with the 742 because it was a "proven technology".

If I recall correctly, the VC25 has the 744 cockpit.
 
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:40 am

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 15):
What about the "flying pentagons"? They are getting fairly old. Maybe it´s time to replace a couple.

did you read 1 single word of this thread appart from the first post?

The VC-25's have been discussed frequently, the E4-B's have not.

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 14):
The Air Force is going to order new Presidential aircraft without a competitive bid and in secret?

True, but there were other competitors around for the last bid (MD) and do you really think with all the political storms around A vs B lately that Airbus would be in contention? That just leaves one possiblility. A lot of other deals have been done in secret for the military you know.  Wink
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:41 am

Quoting Bohica (Reply 16):
If I recall correctly, the VC25 has the 744 cockpit.

Don't believe so, it's based on the -200 platform. -400 engines yes.
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:06 am

Quoting Flyabunch (Reply 11):
At the time the VC25's were ordered, I seem to remember that even though the 744 was in the pipeline, they went with the 742 because it was a "proven technology". If that is correct, wouldn' the same thing apply here?



Quoting Bohica (Reply 16):
If I recall correctly, the VC25 has the 744 cockpit.



Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 18):
Don't believe so, it's based on the -200 platform. -400 engines yes.

My understanding was that the USAF insisted on having a flight engineer. This ruled out the 744 but didn't prohibit the implementation of some of the lessons learned.

I don't remember where I heard this (some TV show perhaps).
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:11 am

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 17):

Thats me told  Wink

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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 17):
do you really think with all the political storms around A vs B lately that Airbus would be in contention?

Yes, I absolutely do think that it would be in contention, and, moreso, that it would at least have an opportunity to bid. The 767 Tanker fiasco resulted in a positively Orwellian situation where the Japanese and Italians will be flying Boeing 767 tankers probably before there's even a decision on whether the US will take an Airbus or Boeing tanker. And, of course, what would happen is that a company like Lockheed or Northrop Grumman would be either the prime contractor or a significantly-involved contractor, just as with the tanker procurement.

"All the political storms", as you say, are precisely the things that mean that Boeing will not see a high-profile sole-source contract for many years to come. Boeing will not live down the Darlene Druyun disaster (which was stupid, stupid, stupid and completely unnecessary for Boeing to have done) anytime soon.

[Edited 2006-10-07 22:24:21]
 
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:27 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 21):
Boeing will not see a high-profile sole-source contract for many years to come.

I'll take that bet.
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:29 am

The USAF would not order 747-8is from BBJ.

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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:41 am

Well this is a guess, and just a guess, but with the mega mergers in Las Vegas with MGM/Mirage/Mandalay and Harrah's there is a need for large VIP jets. The Venetian which is only 4500 rooms purchased a 767 as did Wynn which is 2200 rooms. With MGM and Harrah's between they control about 15,000 hotel rooms each.

Just a thought.
 
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:24 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 23):
The USAF would not order 747-8is from BBJ.

Why not? The USAF ordered the C-40B/Cs from BBJ (except the 2 C-40Cs they bought used).

First, the USAF VC-25As are not full B-747-200Bs, they have the production B-747-300 wing and landing gear. The fuselages were custom built that include features not found on any other B-747 aircraft (like left side cargo compartment doors and air stairs). They do have the B-747-200 3 man cockpit set up, but actually has 4 flight crew members (adding a Navigator position). The flight instruments are from the B-747-400, military avionics, triple INS, triple DNS, duel GPS, duel TACAN, including an air to air function, duel VORs, duel UHF, VHF, and HF radios (these are for the flight crew, additional radios are installed for the war room), digital color weather/rendevous radar, and as already said the engines from the B-747-400.

When the VC-25s were ordered, there was no compitition. Congress simply authorized USAF to order them from Boeing directly. There were plenty of other long range capable wide bodies available (DC-10-30/-40, soon to be built MD-11, B-747-300/-400, B-767-300ER, and the new A-340-200/-300) but the B-747-200B was selected, then modified.

The VC-25s are not going to be replaced anytime soon. Even if the B-747-800I were to ever replace them, it will be after they have been in service for years. They will not be selected until well after the successfully complete flight testing.

I don't know who the two B-747-800IBBJs are for. Perhaps Tiger Woods is beginning to think his B-737-700BBJ is to small?
 
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 14):
You guys are kidding, right? The Air Force is going to order new Presidential aircraft without a competitive bid and in secret? Does anybody remember the Marine One presidential helicopter competition

The liklihood of the US Government purchasing an Airbus aircraft for it's "Commander in Chief" has about as much chance as the A380 program failing... Big grin
 
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 26):
The liklihood of the US Government purchasing an Airbus aircraft for it's "Commander in Chief" [is next to nil.]

MAYBE SO. However, my point was that the Air Force is not going to buy two new planes for the President without at least giving the APPEARANCE of bidding the sucker out and giving the other gigantic military suppliers at least an opportunity to bid.

That, and the fact that the VC25s are nowhere near retirement.
 
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:55 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 25):
Perhaps Tiger Woods is beginning to think his B-737-700BBJ is too small?

Or the Google guys decided that they didn't want to share a 767.

However, private 747s would generally be considered too ostentatious for an American private citizen, even one as wealthy as, say, a Warren Buffett. Sam Walton, of course, used to fly himself around in a little prop plane and drive a pickup truck.

This stuff is more on the order of the Sultan of Brunei or someone who has a bunch of oil money.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 25):
When the VC-25s were ordered, there was no compitition. Congress simply authorized USAF to order them from Boeing directly.

Wouldn't happen without at least some public hearings today, because of the tanker scandal.

[Edited 2006-10-08 01:00:18]
 
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:04 am

With all the Billionaires these days it could be Larry Elision from Oracle Corp. Paul Allen of Microsoft just built a Yact 400 feet long, has a 757, so why not upgrade toa 748. If you had 10 Billion why not buy a Jumbo jet of your own.
 
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:15 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 14):
The Air Force is going to order new Presidential aircraft without a competitive bid and in secret?



Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 21):

"All the political storms", as you say, are precisely the things that mean that Boeing will not see a high-profile sole-source contract for many years to come.

Although unlikely, it's not inconceivable. Mere mention of "national security" would diffuse most opposition. Besides, with the A380 in the mess it's in and the A340 the only other big aircraft in current production, wherefrom could a candidate aircraft which could pack everything the VC-25 has be sourced, Bombardier or Embraer? In the event it does come about, the Government would most probably resort again to this.....

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 25):
Congress simply authorized USAF to order them from Boeing directly.



Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 27):
However, my point was that the Air Force is not going to buy two new planes for the President without at least giving the APPEARANCE of bidding the sucker out and giving the other gigantic military suppliers at least an opportunity to bid.

For a one-off or at most a two-frame production run?

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 28):

Wouldn't happen without at least some public hearings today, because of the tanker scandal.

Most likely just a formality of going through the motions.

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 28):

This stuff is more on the order of the Sultan of Brunei or someone who has a bunch of oil money.

Have to look towards the Middle East or farther on these. Doubt any ruling party in Europe would brave the political backlash from taxpayers.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 25):
Perhaps Tiger Woods is beginning to think his B-737-700BBJ is to small?

Yeah, the Intercontinental sure has room enough for putting practice, not to mention a clubhouse.

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 17):
The VC-25's have been discussed frequently, the E4-B's have not.


E-4B Retirement..what Will Happen To Them? (by SLCPilot Sep 17 2006 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)

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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:20 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 14):
You guys are kidding, right? The Air Force is going to order new Presidential aircraft without a competitive bid and in secret? Does anybody remember the Marine One presidential helicopter competition within the past couple of years? It was hard-fought and very public. So would be the VC-25 replacement.

Not trying to be tacky here, but who are they going to compete against? Airbus? Illyushin? McDonnell Douglas is gone as an airliner builder and Lockheed Martin doesn't build airliners. I suppose it's possible Airbus could compete in an Air Force One competition since they're competing in the tanker competition, but I suspect there's a limit to just how far you can stretch US national pride.
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:47 am

Ok, here is another wild guess. It's British Air. Here is my logic (or lack of), for years BA had been flying the Concorde between NY and London, charging a premium --- so a market must exist for the super wealthy to fly something a little nicer than first class. In a few years, the A380 will be flying and rumor has it that BA's competitors will put in first class seats that BA will have a hard time to match. So BA deciding they need a new flagship orders a couple of 747-8's through BBJ and outfits them for 100PAX's + Piano Bar + Movie theatre + really nice private suites ---- and to top it off BA figures a way to get these select customers through customs without a hassle. If the plan doesn't work, they convert the planes to normal passenger planes and write it all off as advertising.
 
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:02 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 2):
I have no reason to believe this, but I'll throw it out there anyways...

USAF? The VC-25s are getting on in years...

That is what I thought at first, but then AirforceOne will be around for a long time... remember the B707 based how long they lasted!!

May be one is for Roman Abromovich...The Russian tycoon who owns Chelsea Football Club and 3 mega yachts... Perhaps his B767 is a bit "crampy"....

Or Emir from UAE or SaudiArabia???
 
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:11 am

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 31):
Not trying to be tacky here, but who are they going to compete against?

Again, I didn't say that Boeing wouldn't *win*; I said that there was no way that the Air Force was going to have a *secret* contract with Boeing for a new Presidential aircraft, because Congress and the media would go *crazy* over a no-bid, secret contract with Boeing after the tanker scandal. It's just not even remotely possible in this political climate. Airbus would, I think, certainly *want* to bid -- probably with a modified A380 -- and for political purposes, teamed with an American supplier, probably would be given at least the pretense of a chance.
 
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:51 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 25):
When the VC-25s were ordered, there was no compitition. Congress simply authorized USAF to order them from Boeing directly

No, the USAF bid both the 747 and DC-10.
 
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:55 am

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 30):
Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 17):The VC-25's have been discussed frequently, the E4-B's have not. E-4B Retirement..what Will Happen To Them? (by SLCPilot Sep 17 2006 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)

In this thread.
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:14 am

My guess is the Steven Corp.

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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:37 am

Quoting Boeing nut (Reply 36):
In this thread.

It was just a general comment in Reply 17 on how frequent the VC-25s were discussed - the above qualifier was not there. It's logical one would not see the E4-Bs as a topic in the CivAv forum. I was merely pointing out the existence of a current thread on it.
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:42 pm

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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:03 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 25):
The USAF ordered the C-40B/Cs from BBJ (except the 2 C-40Cs they bought used).

They're not Air Force One. Those planes are, from reports, reasonably standard with a few aftermarket add ons.

As you pointed out, the VC-25s are drastically different airframes.

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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:35 pm

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 28):
However, private 747s would generally be considered too ostentatious for an American private citizen,



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 1):
they are from a North American customer who booked them on the same day!

What North Aamerican private person would need 2 748's?? Just by ordering the plane it shows you must have alot of money? Perhaps we should look at Forbes list of the richest people in the world, throw out everyone not in North America, throw out everyone who already has a jet, and then maybe we will have our answer? Although one customer ordering 2 of these birds leaves alot of questions.

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 34):
there was no way that the Air Force was going to have a *secret* contract with Boeing for a new Presidential aircraft,

In today's world with all the terrorism hype best not to let everyone know the president is getting a new jet. Don't want anyone "spying" on the prouction of it.
Perhaps it will be a 744 airframe with some 748 engines and technology upgrades? Specially made for the government?
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:36 pm

Seems I read that the Laser missile defense system aboard a 747 had a successful test a while back. Perhaps the orders are involved with this.
 
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:48 pm

This is an interesting one as i can't see any reason for a private citizen wishing to purchase two
 
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:09 pm

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 41):
What North Aamerican private person would need 2 748's?? Just by ordering the plane it shows you must have alot of money? Perhaps we should look at Forbes list of the richest people in the world, throw out everyone not in North America, throw out everyone who already has a jet, and then maybe we will have our answer? Although one customer ordering 2 of these birds leaves alot of questions.

Paul Allen of Microsoft fame has two 757s, it's not unreasonable I guess.
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:42 pm

Quoting M27 (Reply 42):
Seems I read that the Laser missile defense system aboard a 747 had a successful test a while back. Perhaps the orders are involved with this.

The ABL aircraft is on the freighter platform, so if this was the case, they'd be getting the 748F.

Besides, I think they have already purchased all the airframes needed for the program.
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:28 am

Whoever it is, probably got the 787-9 as well. It was ordered on the same date.
It doesn't need to be a customer from N. America. Boeing's "customer" is BBJ, BBJ's customer is unknown. Just like the first 747-8 VIP was ordered by BBJ in N. America for the gov't of qatar.
So it could be ANYONE in the WORLD.
 
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:13 am

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 41):
In today's world with all the terrorism hype best not to let everyone know the president is getting a new jet.

Huh? There are lots of other things that are done in public that are far more sensitive than whether the president is getting a new jet. This issue is dead. The purchaser is BBJ, which is North American, but BBJ's customer is most likely someone outside the continental US. One thing it for sure is not is a presidential acquisition.
 
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:37 am

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 38):

Roger that sir, understood.

Quoting Amirs (Reply 46):
Just like the first 747-8 VIP was ordered by BBJ in N. America for the gov't of qatar.So it could be ANYONE in the WORLD.

This reply makes the most sense in this thread. Good one.
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RE: Two 747-8 Vip Passenger Jets Ordered

Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:46 am

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 41):
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 1):
they are from a North American customer who booked them on the same day!

Actually sir if you'd read the post a couple after that I corrected myself;

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 3):
Actually as these frames are now listed under Boeing Business Jets all BBJs are listed as North American as BBJ is in effect the customer and are based in North America

So as Amirs correctly points out it is a case of;

Quoting Amirs (Reply 46):
It doesn't need to be a customer from N. America. Boeing's "customer" is BBJ, BBJ's customer is unknown. Just like the first 747-8 VIP was ordered by BBJ in N. America for the gov't of qatar.
So it could be ANYONE in the WORLD.

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