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Wow! A Thread That Has Nothing To Do With The A380

Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:37 am

LOL

Ok so Fed-EX recently decided that they wish to acquire 90 757s for their fleet. With the current popularity of the 757, I find it interesting, as they are probably going to have to pay a premium for these frames. I wonder if they have considered the idea of purchasing 90 Tu-204s. With the RB-211 and western avionics they LOOK like a reasonable alternative. Of course I have no idea if the thing is even certified for use in the US, so that might be a problem. It just seems like they could get a smokin' deal if they bought 90. And it looks like TNT is pretty happy with theirs as well. Anyone else?
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:41 am

As good of an idea as that might seem, the spare parts market would be rather tough to deal with. If no one else flies them, and you've got a disabled plane sitting on the ground, hoping to get a part quick from Tupolev could be costly.
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:50 am

The very fact that you mentioned the A380 in the title made this thread about the A380. The very fact that I am writing about the A380 is proof of this  Wink
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RE: Wow! A Thread That Has Nothing To Do With The A380

Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:17 am

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 2):
The very fact that you mentioned the A380 in the title made this thread about the A380. The very fact that I am writing about the A380 is proof of this

Good point. I had assumed A.Net required all CivAv. threads to at least mention the A380, or at the very least if you want a lively discussion it's best to mention it - so this was a wise move.  Smile

Here's a link to Tupolev's Tu-204 page for anybody who's curious:
http://www.tupolev.ru/English/Show.asp?SectionID=110

The Tu-204-120C or -220C w/ RB-211's is very similar to B757, and has the advantages of being available as a new-build, and purpose-built as a freighter rather than a conversion. What I don't know is how much they cost...anybody have some numbers?
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:44 am

A380 A380 A380 A380 A380 A380 A380 A380 A380 A380.... Big grin Big grin Big grin
 
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:47 am

FedEx has a number of A380s on order. There, now the thread is ruined  

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Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:50 am

It was ruined from the get-go. Why couldn't 727200er just post a thread title about the thread idea. Maybe I'll post a new thread: "Wow! A Thread That Has A Relevant Title."
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:23 am

Jesus, don't turn it into the "Dear..." stuff. Oh, and your title is just a littttle off topic...

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RE: Wow! A Thread That Has Nothing To Do With The A380

Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:28 am

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 6):
It was ruined from the get-go. Why couldn't 727200er just post a thread title about the thread idea. Maybe I'll post a new thread: "Wow! A Thread That Has A Relevant Title."

Go for it  Smile

Might be a slow discussion though....

As for spares for the aircraft....
RB-211 engines - no problem here
Western Avionics - ditto
Other systems....
I don't know alot about fed-ex but I have to think that part of the deal would be the setup a good parts stream. I just keep thinking that 90 frames is a pretty signifigant number, and Tupolev would probably bend over backwards to help. Especially as this would be a huge step for them, and a real introduction in the west.
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:53 am

FedEx is a USA based company, they do USA government contracts, they have a marketing and service contract with the USA Postal Service, they don't want any problems with parts or mx with any aircraft. So I doubt they would consider any aircraft from Russia for those and other reasons.
 
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:44 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
FedEx is a USA based company, they do USA government contracts, they have a marketing and service contract with the USA Postal Service, they don't want any problems with parts or mx with any aircraft. So I doubt they would consider any aircraft from Russia for those and other reasons.

But France is ok?


An interesting idea...but I think they'll get the 757 like they wanted. I'm thinkin the 757 line may end up a lot like the 727 line...lotsa leftovers for the cargo carries to pick up once all is said and done. It's just a question of when.
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RE: Wow! A Thread That Has Nothing To Do With The A380

Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:56 am

Quoting 727200er (Thread starter):
Ok so Fed-EX recently decided that they wish to acquire 90 757s for their fleet.

I saw that information and my first reaction was to wonder why Fedex was announcing it before starting buying. Isn't it a nice way to push the prices up?
 
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RE: Wow! A Thread That Has Nothing To Do With The A380

Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:17 pm

You know I kind of thought that too. I mean the last thing I want companies to know is that I need something they have. On the other hand, suppose you own an airline that is using 757, not because you want to, but because you can't afford to replace them. Knowing you have an eager buyer around would make it pretty easy to go to your board. Still all in all it still seems like a good way to drive the price up.
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RE: Wow! A Thread That Has Nothing To Do With The A380

Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:30 pm

Quoting N908AW (Reply 10):
An interesting idea...but I think they'll get the 757 like they wanted. I'm thinkin the 757 line may end up a lot like the 727 line...lotsa leftovers for the cargo carries to pick up once all is said and done. It's just a question of when

See the problem here, is that when the 727 was coming of and being parked, There were several options for direct replacement. Including the defacto Boeing replacement, the 757. The problem here is that, No One is actually building or marketing a true direct replacement model. The companies that are using the 757 really like them, and are making good money with them, or they would already be languishing in the desert waiting for the freight cos to scoop them up. I think FX is gonna end up paying a pretty penny for 757s, but hey we'll see.
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:25 pm

Talking about FedEx;

Roumor has it that Fed Ex fleet is to order huge numbers of A332F when phasing out A300/310F

It´s just a roumor mind you, but I hope its true.

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RE: Wow! A Thread That Has Nothing To Do With The A380

Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:32 pm

Quoting N908AW (Reply 10):

But France is ok?

Why do they plan to fly converted Caravelles or Dassault Falcons ?
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:07 pm

I find this thread to be very a380 - ish..
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:48 pm

the thread title contains two references to the A380, 'Wow' & 'A380'. Big grin
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RE: Wow! A Thread That Has Nothing To Do With The A380

Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:09 pm

Well As the title states this thread has nothing to do with the A380 but does anyone here know where i might find a thread that has something to do with the A380, especially something positive as I am fed up with the Boeing crowd becoming Xenophobic!
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:33 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 15):
Quoting N908AW (Reply 10):

But France is ok?

Why do they plan to fly converted Caravelles or Dassault Falcons ?

I think he meant the ATRs (which are partly made in Italy BTW).
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:34 pm

FedEx could, instead of the XXXX* **, opt for the 748F...

*edit:
Just read the thread topic.

**edit #2:
XXXX does not mean ----^.

^edit #3:
Didn't mean to mention the _ _ _ _^^ on purpose.

^^edit #4:
there I go again. My sincerest apologies.

!edit #5:
spelling error.

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RE: Wow! A Thread That Has Nothing To Do With The A380

Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:52 pm

I think reply 12 is probably correct in why FedEx would make a public announcement. Indeed there are carriers operating B757, and some are doing so because it exactly meets a need that they have and there is no direct replacement.

Airbus and Boeing either offer more or less aircraft, making a business case to your board for either less market coverage or increased market share looks much better on paper if you have a guarenteed buyer of your existing a/c, additionally, FedEx to ensure that they don't pay a premium would probably sign a deal to purchase after you obtain your new a/c, thus no need for interim lift a/c.

If this thread intent works, lets see it repeated in a A or B thread without mentioning the other.
 
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Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:20 am

Howdy all,

I thought that the 380 wahlejet was a French plane. I mean Toulouse is in france. True they get some sub assemblies from other places but the main engineering, lead is france. I mean if France does/does not want something to happen they get what they want.... And they were complaining about shoddy work in one of their supplier, it think it was one of their neighbors...who could that be.....The city starts with a big H....










Just Kidding guys!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy Sunday. Dont get all riled up!!!!! Just pulling your leg!! The E in eads is for european and there are several countries that participate in building this and other airbus birds.. I have heard that the Germans and French hold equal shares....In other words they are equal in stature and equally contribute to the engineering of these birds....


But the weird thing is that when someone makes a mistake and calls it a French Company (Or at least French led-which is just a hop or a skip from being French) many nice German A.net members quickly launch into the trench (sorry lots of history there) and fray and not so subtley correct the transgrerssion (and rightly so mind you) and let us know that it is not a French company, but rather a european company.


Although , I've yet to see any of our dear French A.net members join in and defend the multinationality of the company. Could it be that they they feel the German members are doing a fine job of this? Or is the multi - owner/nationality clearly evident and they feel that it is below them to respond to this?




Or maybe it is something else.....



Rats... I just read the thread of the title. Our educational system is not as good as , say the candian educational system, so I often struggle with reading and writing..

Ok. back on topic then. All 57s are not created equal. So waht is fedex looking for? Are there some out in the western USA that are waiting for a home , kind of like pupies, b/c they are not 200 or ER(are 57s built in this version) or becasue their engines came from pratt instead of RR-or b/c these are not etops birds? Who took over all the twa birds that AA got rid off (is getting rid..). What s fed ex looking for


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RE: Wow! A Thread That Has Nothing To Do With The A380

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:48 am

Quoting Nema (Reply 18):
Well As the title states this thread has nothing to do with the A380 but does anyone here know where i might find a thread that has something to do with the A380, especially something positive as I am fed up with the Boeing crowd becoming Xenophobic!

Xenophobic is a bit hyperbolic, don't you think?

As to your question: In Defense of the A380
was an attempt at a pro-A380 thread, but it attracted very little interest.
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RE: Wow! A Thread That Has Nothing To Do With The A380

Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:13 am

Quoting Elvis777 (Reply 22):
Who took over all the twa birds that AA got rid off (is getting rid..). What s fed ex looking for

I believe, (not sure, but I think....) that Delta will be taking the ex-TWA 757s. They have engine commonality, whereas AA/TWA's 757s were not the same.

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