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Virgin America In SFO

Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:45 am

Just a factual heads up and start of discussion....N625VA has just arrived in SFO from VCV...the start of something?  Wink
 
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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:55 am

Wow...that's cool! I hope they'll add SMF to ONT soon (although it is quite possible they'll never consider this route). Only Southwest flies this route and I'm kinda tired of flying with the same airline over and over and over and over again...

Anyone knows where is the destination of its first revenue flight?

P.S. Just a funny thing...whenever I fly SMF to ONT, the stwerdess would say something along the line of "We know you have many choices..blah blah blah...Thank you for choosing Southwest." Funny thing is, they're the only one that flies SMF to ONT. Big grin

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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:57 am

Boy, I hope so. I can understand the existing mix of airlines in this country, with their probable attitude: "There are enough airlines competing, thank you very much." But I hope Virgin America takes to the air soon; their debut is long overdue and the 'reasons why' are all--or nearly all--political.

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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:54 am

I believe that the plane is at SFO temporarily for photo ops for promotional material. Today (Sat) is was parked at UA mx with about three cranes hovering around it with cameramen snapping pictures.
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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:10 pm

Quoting Foppishbum (Reply 1):
P.S. Just a funny thing...whenever I fly SMF to ONT, the stwerdess would say something along the line of "We know you have many choices..blah blah blah...Thank you for choosing Southwest." Funny thing is, they're the only one that flies SMF to ONT.

Mate with 12 or 14 flights per day I am sure Southwest Airlines is more than happy operating the SMF-ONT route!  wink 
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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:34 pm

Any idea what it was doing in VCV? It was only there for a day accorinding to flightaware.
 
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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:00 pm

I have found out what is actually going on at this time. I work at the airport and was unaware of the circumstances, but having spoken to some people who are in coordination with the company (virgin america), I'm sure you'll all hear the news in the coming couple of days.  Smile

Very nice livery, and love the new tail!
 
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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:03 pm

Did anybody catch any photos of her today?
 
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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:08 pm

Does anyone know what gates they will get or looking at?
 
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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:30 pm

Quoting BayAreaPilot (Reply 5):
Any idea what it was doing in VCV?

Rumor has it that VCV will be there new base!!  Wink

In all seriousness though, I wish them the best
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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:57 pm

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 6):
I have found out what is actually going on at this time. I work at the airport and was unaware of the circumstances, but having spoken to some people who are in coordination with the company (virgin america), I'm sure you'll all hear the news in the coming couple of days.

Very nice livery, and love the new tail!

Lets go spill you guts.Don't make everyone wait.
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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:53 pm

That would be exciting to hear some start-up news soon from VX!
(Has anyone in SAN seen any sign of new ticket counter installs recently?) I just have this feeling...

Quoting Foppishbum (Reply 1):
Funny thing is, they're [WN] the only one that flies SMF to ONT.



Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 4):
Mate with 12 or 14 flights per day I am sure Southwest Airlines is more than happy operating the SMF-ONT route!

Foppish, WN has LOTS of CA routes to themselves (I don't know if "monopolies" is a correct term in this case) such as from SMF, including the 14 n/s each day to SAN because UA in particular seems to have run away from the fight. (UA has flown SAN-SMF in the past but abruptly pulled out and left all that state-governmental-gravy to WN!) I would love to see AS or VX (or B6 or F9 or ???) jump in and provide some competition since UA doesn't want to play...

However, it can never be said that WN doesn't fully support a heavily traveled route; they fly 44 intra-state roundtrips each day from SAN to OAK (20!), SMF (14) and SJC (10). That's just under half of their entire 92-flight daily operation from Lindbergh. And, as of now, the only intra-CA competition they have is Eagle flights between SAN and SJC.

But back to this thread's topic,

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 6):
I have found out what is actually going on [with VX] at this time.

yeah, come on Xpfg, please? We promise we won't tell where we heard it!  Wink

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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:07 pm

If I'm not mistaken they have not gotten the approval to start any type of service yet. The Federal government is still holding back the operation. As UA and CO are fighting tooth and nail to get the thought of the airline put to rest.
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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:12 pm

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 12):
The Federal government is still holding back the operation. As UA and CO are fighting tooth and nail to get the thought of the airline put to rest.

If the fortunes of an airline rest on the misfortunes of others, then that explains a lot about CO and UA.
 
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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:00 am

A startup "low-cost" carrier headquartered in perhaps the most expensive cost of living community in the Nation? Something tells me that's a recipe for failure.
 
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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:04 am

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 14):
A startup "low-cost" carrier headquartered in perhaps the most expensive cost of living community in the Nation? Something tells me that's a recipe for failure.

Could not agree more with you
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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:12 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
Foppish, WN has LOTS of CA routes to themselves (I don't know if "monopolies" is a correct term in this case) such as from SMF, including the 14 n/s each day to SAN because UA in particular seems to have run away from the fight. (UA has flown SAN-SMF in the past but abruptly pulled out and left all that state-governmental-gravy to WN!) I would love to see AS or VX (or B6 or F9 or ???) jump in and provide some competition since UA doesn't want to play...

However, it can never be said that WN doesn't fully support a heavily traveled route; they fly 44 intra-state roundtrips each day from SAN to OAK (20!), SMF (14) and SJC (10). That's just under half of their entire 92-flight daily operation from Lindbergh. And, as of now, the only intra-CA competition they have is Eagle flights between SAN and SJC

Routes within California with WN monopoly:

OAK-ONT
OAK-BUR
OAK-SAN
SJC-ONT
SJC-BUR
SMF-ONT
SMF-BUR
SMF-SAN

Routes within California that WN dominates:

OAK-LAX
OAK-SAN
SJC-LAX
SJC-SAN
SMF-LAX
SMF-SNA
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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:11 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
the only intra-CA competition they have is Eagle flights between SAN and SJC.

Sorry folks, I didn't word this part of my post correctly. I meant to say:
"the only intra-CA competition they [WN] have OUT OF SAN is Eagle flights between SAN and SJC." (There is obviously competition on other routes within CA.) That's what happens when I post at 3 in the morning...  ill 

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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:45 pm

According to reports that I have read, Virgin America has now taken delivery of 6 aircraft. Unless these aircraft have been chartered out for the short term, they must be sitting idle on the ground haemorrhaging money earmarked for the initial months/years of operation until the airline starts turning a profit. Just how long can VA survive with its fleet sitting idle on the ground, not to mention all the staff on the payroll?
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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:40 pm

They have been sitting around as far as I know. They actually pay their F/A's less than most regionals. SO it amazes why people want to work there.
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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:13 am

Quoting Xpfg (Thread starter):
N625VA has just arrived in SFO

So has N622VA.

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First Virgin America A321.


JOE. Big grin

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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:34 pm

San Francisco is the most expensive city in the US. Why did they pick SFO???The LCCs tend to look at Oakland a bit more.
 
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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:21 pm

Quoting Juventus (Reply 21):
San Francisco is the most expensive city in the US. Why did they pick SFO???The LCCs tend to look at Oakland a bit more.

Not to split hairs, but Aspen, CO is.  Smile And why not add an LCC to SFO? It's time we had one that offered more than one or two destinations. And let's not count Ted becuase that isn't a LCC.

The Bay Area is one of the largest metro areas in the country with very little competition at SFO against powerhouse UA. Virgin's brand will no doubt appeal to both resdients in the City and Silicon Valley. JetBlue has done an excellent job at siphoning traffic away from SFO to OAK and I would imagine VX will challenge that. I am curious as to which terminal VX plans to operate from - all of the current terminals are fairly well used unless they plan to renovate the central terminal - which will take some time.
 
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RE: Virgin America In SFO

Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:29 pm

An article in today's Wall Street Journal about DHL buying 40% of Polar made me think what DP did right and Virgin has done wrong. DP stripped the profit and intercompany relations control mechanisms out of DHL and kept it an "American" airline, although dependent on DP.

Branson should have done it the DP way - rip all the profit wickets and interline/agency functions out of Virgin America and put them in a Branson-controlled non-airline subsidiary, while making VA a purely "American" contract airplane provider. Unfortunately he hired a bunch of old-school managers who haven't had an original thought in 10 years.