cumulus
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Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:32 am

Now I know this is every spotters paradise, on the beach with a beer watching the heavies landing - but is this not a bit on the dangerous side?

It's a Air France 747 throttling up for departure, but look at the jet blast into the water!! And are those people running with the jet blast into the sea or are they being blown?

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Kevin777
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:36 am

WOW!!!!!! Cool video! Don't know if it's dangerous, but it's awesome!! By the way, wasn't that a 747-200?? Does AF still operate these??

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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:37 am

They are running for the water to stop getting sand blasted. They call it riding the fence. A little wind at your back probably gets you into the water quicker...
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:39 am

Sounds like fun.....definitely not fun for the wussies.
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:41 am

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 1):
WOW!!!!!! Cool video! Don't know if it's dangerous, but it's awesome!!

Awesome is right. Althought I'd rather sit on the beach and watch all the landings. I could do without getting sand blasted!  Smile  Smile
 
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:41 am

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 3):
Sounds like fun.....

It does sound like fun. I sure wish I was there, riding the fence as you say, Miamiair. It would sure beat school, which is where I am stuck at the moment.
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cumulus
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:50 am

Now this is much more like it!!!

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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:54 am

Quoting Cumulus (Thread starter):
And are those people running with the jet blast into the sea or are they being blown?

When i was there the people were running into the water with the jet blast as an added "assistance".

As for the sand blasting... I did it for a BWIA 737-800 and it HURT... there is no way id do it for any sort of wide body. Start small with like DH-8 then work your way up till the pain isnt worth it  Wink

Maho beach should be on every aviation enthusists to do list.
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7):
Maho beach should be on every aviation enthusists to do list.

Isn't that the truth.  Smile  Smile  Smile A must see for anyone that loves aviation.
 
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:04 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7):
Start small with like DH-8 then work your way up till the pain isnt worth it

This is maybe the strangest statement i've ever heard. LOL No offense mean't by that.

Its just odd that we are discussing the pros and cons of the pain level of getting sand blasted by a jet engine. LOL
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:10 am

My question is, is there any chance at getting sucked into an engine when they're landing over your head?
 
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:12 am

If you've ever watched the take-off from the beach bar along the approach end, you'd call what these folks get "sandblasting"!  Smile It's fun but nuts to watch
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 9):
This is maybe the strangest statement i've ever heard. LOL No offense mean't by that.

Its just odd that we are discussing the pros and cons of the pain level of getting sand blasted by a jet engine. LOL

Its not the jet blast that hurts... its the speed at which the sand is traveling! And FYI... if ure at the fence... pray there is no FOD on the runway, it will pierce the flesh!
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:36 am

I wonder how often the sand at that beach has to be replaced.
 
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:41 am

Quoting Nonrevman (Reply 13):
I wonder how often the sand at that beach has to be replaced.

It just washes back up onshore  Wink
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:41 am

Quoting Nonrevman (Reply 13):
I wonder how often the sand at that beach has to be replaced.

The nice thing is with nature it just washes back up on shore!
 
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:44 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 10):
My question is, is there any chance at getting sucked into an engine when they're landing over your head?

That's a big negative. Safety zones in front of engines vary from 15 to 50 feet, and I doubt an aircraft on short final could pick anything up at all.
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:56 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 12):
Its not the jet blast that hurts... its the speed at which the sand is traveling!

Maybe you should re-read what i said.

Quoting Neilalp (Reply 15):
The nice thing is with nature it just washes back up on shore!

Gotta love mother nature... There are pics of the "beach" after a hurricane came thru. Nothing but steep rocks. EEK!!
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:38 am

It's certainly a good way to get dry after a swim!  silly 

As long as you close your eyes it's really not dangerous. Hurts a bit on the fence, though, because rocks and dust eat at your skin. Plus when I did it I held onto the fence and the chain link cut into my knuckles. Still Killer, though.
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Kevin777
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:41 pm

I so wanna go to Maho Beach as well!!! As everyone here I suppose.. it must be the Mekka for a.netters..

But actually, we have at least one little SXM in Europe.. (but there has to be many others though..): ZTH (Zakynthos, Greece)

Rwy is a just off the popular Laganas beach shore (just after a road), and it is such a pleasure to sit in the sand with a Mythos beer and enjoy the incoming a/c over your head... however, the runway is not as close to beach as at SXM, and the beach is a bit lower, so you cannot really see it from the shore... In addition, apart from the odd 767 (very rare) only narrow body a/c serve the apt, just not the same being sandblasted by a 737! However, the "paradise-meets-final" (= ultimate paradise) is still there at ZTH!!

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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:43 pm

I'd try to run against the engine thrust, see if I can run in place, or get blown back...
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:36 am

Had the opportunity to "ride the fence" two years ago.
We got a "thumbs up" from the co-pilot of a COA 757 who saw us standing at the fence when they turned onto the runway, held the brakes, throttled up and blasted off. Awesome experience to feel the heat and power of those engines.
 
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:41 am

Similar sandblasting video on YouTube, just a little bit weaker (A340) but a little bit closer (taken from the fence)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLPiPrxKvzY&NR
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:00 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 2):
They are running for the water to stop getting sand blasted. They call it riding the fence. A little wind at your back probably gets you into the water quicker...



Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 3):
Sounds like fun.....definitely not fun for the wussies.

Been there done it! One more thing crossed off my "things to do before I die list"

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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:22 am

I stood behind departing aircraft several times when I was at SXM. At first, I stood on the beach which was a big mistake  Smile A tiny stone hit my head and it hurt like a b***ch for several days. But if you are holding on to the fence, facing the sea-not the aircraft, you should be fine... If you are wet before, you get dry in a few seconds... Its crazy but LOTS of fun...

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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:28 am

I remember hearing something about the beach being shut down for airport expansion. Is this still happening or was it just rumours? If so when is it going to happen. I want to plan a trip there next spring. Beer and airlines!
 
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:33 am

Quoting YHMYYZspotter (Reply 25):
I remember hearing something about the beach being shut down for airport expansion. Is this still happening or was it just rumours? If so when is it going to happen. I want to plan a trip there next spring. Beer and airlines!

As far as I know, the airport extension was towards the other end of the runway....
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:37 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 9):
Its just odd that we are discussing the pros and cons of the pain level of getting sand blasted by a jet engine. LOL

Huh, when I go to St. Maarten I'll have to bring my hunting jumpsuit and my grinding mask so I can survive getting sandblasted by a 744.

I wonder what that would do to a camera lens..... i don't think I want to find out either.
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:33 am

Dunno if this one was on here before. Probably yes. Nice anyway.

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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:51 am

A Corsair 744 about killed me when I attempted to "ride the fence" last January.
I tell everyone that was the dumbest thing I have ever done..... but truthfully, that was the coolest thing I've done! I was filming with my camera and have all captured, but the sand that is embeded in it makes it not work so well. I wish I knew how to up or download the videos so ya all could see them. I was taken to the ground when the heat and pelting sand hit my exposed skin.....my Boeing ball cap that I was wearing flew into the ocean, and it's all on film. That was so awesome!!!! Words can not discribe what it is like at Maho. I can't wait to go back!!
 
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:41 am

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 26):
As far as I know, the airport extension was towards the other end of the runway....

I hope they're not changing anything at RWY 09 at SXM!!!!.... At least I wanna go there first..! Does anybody know exactly what they're doing??/ Hope it doesn't involve extending the runway; maybe it could mean less sandblast at Maho Beach....

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 24):
Each and every aviation enthusiast should visit this island at least once in a lifetime....

Can't wait till I make my first visit to the Aviation's Mekka....

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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:39 am

In August I had the great experience of visiting Maho.

I thought I had cleared the threshold behind a Corsair 747-400 but forgot to take into acount that she has four engines and was blown away. I can say it wasn't exactly an enjoyable experience and had to grab on to my dad who was grabbing onto the fence in order not to be blown away. The heat and sand that was being blown into my face was pretty powerful and I did watch a couple of people on the beach get blown into the water.

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Even standing behind a Dash-8 you get a little bit of blast.
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:58 am

Maho looks like the perfect honeymoon spot for two a.netter newlyweds! Imagine, all day, looking at aircraft taking off and landing, w/a cool drink in your hand!
 
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RE: Maho Beach - Is This Dangerous?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:19 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 7):
Start small with like DH-8 then work your way up till the pain isnt worth it

Actually, in my very limited experience at another airport in the Caribbean, the widebodies give you *less* blast than, say, a 727. I think it has to do with the velocity of the exhaust gas -- the high-bypass ratio engines of, say, a 744 expel much more gas at slower speed than those on the 727. Sunglasses are definitely a good idea, though.

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