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KLM MD11 Routes

Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:52 am

What routes does KLM fly their MD11s on?

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HAJFlyer
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RE: KLM MD11 Routes

Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:55 am

Montreal comes to mind.
 
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RE: KLM MD11 Routes

Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:06 am

Hey,

You can find all your information in this great post:
KLM Longhaul Operations (by HB-IWC Jul 27 2006 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: KLM MD11 Routes

Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:13 am

I think they fly to YVR in the summer (763 winter) and I know they operate to LIM via CUR (there was rumor of switching this to a 777, haven't heard anything in regards in a while) and to UIO. Also some north/central Africa flights, I believe.
 
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RE: KLM MD11 Routes

Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:40 am

San Francisco is another daily from AMS #605.
 
PHKLM
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RE: KLM MD11 Routes

Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:09 am

Any news on the new M11 interiors yet?
When will the first refitted cabin see regular service?
 
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RE: KLM MD11 Routes

Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:10 am

Quoting Joost (Reply 2):
Hey,

You can find all your information in this great post:

KLM Longhaul Operations (by HB-IWC Jul 27 2006 in Civil Aviation)

That's a bit outdated. LAX now has an additional 3x weekly 777-200ER.
 
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RE: KLM MD11 Routes

Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:39 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 6):
That's a bit outdated. LAX now has an additional 3x weekly 777-200ER.

The additional thrice weekly LAX service will not start until May of 2007. The only piece of outdated information pertaining to the MD11 utilization in my post of last July is that at the beginning of September, the AMS-YVR route has been taken over by A332 as the first MD11s went for cabin retrofit. As such, for the time being, KLM currently operates the MD11 to the following destinations:

CAI - KL553/554 - 2 weekly
LOS - KL587/588 - daily
SFO - KL605/606 - daily
YUL - KL671/672 - daily
AUA - KL733/734 - 2 weekly
BON LIM - KL741/742 - daily
BON GYE UIO - KL753/754 - 5 weekly
DEL - KL871/872 - daily
HYD - KL873/874 - 4 weekly

For the winter season, the MD11 will no longer operate to DEL and make a return on the AMS-JRO-DAR route. Also, LOS and ACC will swap aircraft and so the MD11 will operate to ACC whereas the B772 will go to LOS.

Even further in the future, the MD11 is to disappear from the SFO route next summer if favor of the B744 and the AMS-BON-LIM route is to be replaced with a nonstop AMS-LIM, also no longer with MD11. On the other hand, the MD11 will take over all Caribbean operations, with daily flights to CUR and a number of flights to SXM and AUA instead of the current B744. HYD is set to increase to 5 weekly next summer, still with MD11. The MD11 is also returning to YVR then. EWR will also see the MD11 for a month or 3 between April and June 2007.

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 5):
Any news on the new M11 interiors yet?
When will the first refitted cabin see regular service?

The first retrofitted MD11 is about to be deployed. Others will follow soon after. The cabin retrofit program should be completed somewhere in 2007. The MD11s will get a reduced C-cabin with 24 instead of the current 31 seats and an increased Y-cabin with 2 extra rows.
 
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RE: KLM MD11 Routes

Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:17 pm

They should keep the old seats on the MD11. Try to snap a seat in row 1 and you're set for a beautiful flight. The new seats are so uncomfortable!

When are they phasing out the MD11's? If so what aircraft will be put on the YUL route?
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RE: KLM MD11 Routes

Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:50 pm

Quoting Marco (Reply 8):
Try to snap a seat in row 1 and you're set for a beautiful flight.

The first cabin - rows 1 and 2 - as a whole is indeed marvelous, and many frequent KLM flyers are sad to see the old seats being replaced. Nevertheless, the 2-row cabin will remain in the new configuration, albeit with the rather uncomfortable new seats.

Quoting Marco (Reply 8):
When are they phasing out the MD11's? If so what aircraft will be put on the YUL route?

MD11s are set to go between 2012 and 2015. Current long term plans, which are subject to a lot of change, call for the AMS YUL route to be operated with A332 in winter and B772 in summer. But again, that's subject to a lot of change.
 
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RE: KLM MD11 Routes

Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:03 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 7):
The first retrofitted MD11 is about to be deployed.

I keep hearing rumors the M11 will have PTV in Y. I personally do not believe this until I see it; any confirmation on this yet?
 
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RE: KLM MD11 Routes

Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:26 pm

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 10):
I keep hearing rumors the M11 will have PTV in Y. I personally do not believe this until I see it; any confirmation on this yet?

The latest news is that, to expedite the retrofit program and not to have two different configurations flying around for too long, KLM will just equip the WBC cabins with the new seats for now as well as add 2 extra rows to the economy cabins, but no PTVs will be installed in Y yet.
 
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RE: KLM MD11 Routes

Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:52 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 7):
On the other hand, the MD11 will take over all Caribbean operations, with daily flights to CUR and a number of flights to SXM and AUA instead of the current B744

I assume this still means that the MD11 to PBM starting this month? Since PBM is considered a caribbean (leisure) destination...

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 9):
MD11s are set to go between 2012 and 2015.

I thought this was the old plan and that it's now starting in 2015 instead of 2012? Or have I misunderstood?
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RE: KLM MD11 Routes

Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:05 pm

Quote:
MD11s are set to go between 2012 and 2015.



Quoting Kappel (Reply 12):
I thought this was the old plan and that it's now starting in 2015 instead of 2012? Or have I misunderstood?

Its still uncertain. The first plan, about 5/6 years ago when the orderd the 777/A330, was to replace them with A330's and 777's between 2006 and 2008(selling them to cargo operators), together with the 747-200/300 and 767, but since KLM is facing a major shortage of planes, the decided to replace them in 2010.

But when boeing launched the 787 and 777-200LR, and the price for Second hand MD-11's dropped. they decided that it would make more sense to keep the MD-11's and wait untill the 787 had its first flight, so now the date was 2012 for all frames.

And then there came recently the plans to refit them with higher capicity, and they seem to be ideal for the medium long haul operations, especially to the Caribean, Afrika and North Amerika, where the A330 is just a bit to small. Now that KLM first want's to see both A350 and 787 fly before they order any of them, (also the A330 is still in the race) the line is filled for the upcomming years, and so they decided to stick to 2012, but they will phase them out with only 2 or 3 frames a year, through 2015.

Thats basicly it.
 
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RE: KLM MD11 Routes

Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:20 pm

Quoting Kappel (Reply 12):
I assume this still means that the MD11 to PBM starting this month? Since PBM is considered a caribbean (leisure) destination...

As far as I know, the B744 full pax will remain on the AMS-PBM route this winter. KLM is definitely looking into the possibility of deploying the MD11 to PBM, with a higher frequency than the current thrice weekly operation, but for the time being the route it scheduled to retain the B744, even next summer.
 
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RE: KLM MD11 Routes

Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:25 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 14):
As far as I know, the B744 full pax will remain on the AMS-PBM route this winter. KLM is definitely looking into the possibility of deploying the MD11 to PBM,

Well, from what i understand KLM is even looking at decreasing it to 2 times a week MD-11, and the rest will be flown by MP, so that it will free up capicity.

But that was when Arke still was flying the route, so maybe thoughts changed now...
 
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RE: KLM MD11 Routes

Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:27 pm

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 13):
Thats basicly it.

OK thanks, I didn't know that whole story. On a side note, it's about time KLM updates their fleet list on their website. It still shows only 2 a332's for example...
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RE: KLM MD11 Routes

Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:27 pm

What we~ve been told by KLM is that they divided the change of seats in two fases. First they will take out one row in C and add two rows in Y as well as change the the config in y from 2-4-3 to 3-3-3. Y will get new seats.
this fase will be completed before end of this year.

In the second fase the new C seats will be installed and Y WILL get the avod system. KLM told us that they wanted the same on the 747 but because of weight restrictions this wasn't possible.
don't have an enddate for the second fase but it will start beginning of next year.

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RE: KLM MD11 Routes

Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:31 pm

Interesting, DEL gets the 777's again in winter - but will the MD11's come back in summer as they usually do?
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RE: KLM MD11 Routes

Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:47 am

Quoting Cricket (Reply 18):
Interesting, DEL gets the 777's again in winter - but will the MD11's come back in summer as they usually do?

So far, the MD11 is planned to be back at DEL for the summer, albeit not for the entire summer season. The B772 will still make regular appearances in DEL next summer.