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Aircraft Sabotaged As Talks Begin On Job Cuts

Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:55 am

Wow...I've heard of ground equipment been sabotaged, but an aircraft?!!! It takes a very sick mind to do something like this. I am glad it was discovered in time to save a tragedy. And the sad part is that it's not the first time it happens...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2396173,00.html
 
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RE: Aircraft Sabotaged As Talks Begin On Job Cuts

Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:58 pm

Just beat me to it.

Another reason to get some momentum behind getting rid of unions in Italy.

AZ planes (two MD80s according to the articles) were damaged, allegedly by disgruntled workers, at Naples airport (Capodichino).

Full article (from: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2396173,00.html Sad

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THE apparent sabotage of two Alitalia planes could have caused a major tragedy, the head of the Italian pilots’ union said yesterday on the eve of emergency talks to save the debt-ridden state-controlled airline.
Two MD80 aircraft — the backbone of the Alitalia fleet — were damaged in a hangar while undergoing maintenance at Naples airport last week. The incidents appear to be linked to the talks between Romano Prodi, the Prime Minister, the management and unions on job cuts and investment that come after months of strikes and protests over restructuring plans.

Airport officials said that cables were cut in the tail section of one aircraft and the seal around the rear door of another was ripped a day later. Alitalia said that the sabotage did not put flight safety at risk because it was spotted in time by maintenance workers.

Fabio Berti, head of the Italian pilots’ association, said that the attacks were extremely serious and could have caused a massacre. It was unclear who the perpetrators were, but worrying that they had access to a “super-protected” area.

Signor Berti said that it was not the first time that Alitalia planes had been sabotaged. Some reports had suggested that sabotage was part of a strategy of tension to raise the stakes on the eve of today’s meeting but, Signor Berti told La Stampa: “I cannot believe anyone would be so irresponsible.” The Naples prosecutor is investigating the incidents, which trade union officials said reflected a drop in standards of security and maintenance.

Giancarlo Cimoli, Alitalia’s chief executive, recently acknowledged in a report to parliament that the airline — in which the State has a majority stake — was doomed unless radical changes were made.

Alitalia is expected to lose €300 million (£203 million) this year. Attempts to cut jobs and privatise ground services have been met with repeated strikes and walkouts, causing flights to be cancelled or delayed and passengers stranded. A new plan involving the sale of its information technology and administrative activities is bitterly opposed by the unions. Italy is under growing pressure from the European Commission to stop bailing out Alitalia. The commission is considering whether a proposed €1.2 billion “recapitalisation” amounts to an illegal state subsidy.

Alessandro Bianchi, the Transport Minister, said that the Government’s aim remained to develop Alitalia, not to sell it off. He admitted that potential European partners such as Air France and KLM had refused to consider a merger until Alitalia’s outlook improved.

Signor Cimoli said that Alitalia was unable to generate a return on invested capital and the more flights it operated, the more money it lost. He blamed regulatory inefficiencies and energy and labour costs, but also the “unfair competitive advantages” enjoyed by low-cost airlines. “The law of the jungle prevails,” he said.

While budget airlines have hit Alitalia hard, critics say that the blame lies with governments of Left and Right who have bailed out the airline with bridging loans instead of drastically restructuring the workforce of 20,000 and encouraging private investment.
 
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RE: Aircraft Sabotaged As Talks Begin On Job Cuts

Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:52 pm

Quoting N701AA (Thread starter):
Wow...I've heard of ground equipment been sabotaged, but an aircraft?!!! It takes a very sick mind to do something like this. I am glad it was discovered in time to save a tragedy. And the sad part is that it's not the first time it happens...

Simply unbelievable ! I hope those responsible can be ID'd and then
persecuted to the fullest extent possible under italian law.
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RE: Aircraft Sabotaged As Talks Begin On Job Cuts

Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:06 pm

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 2):
Simply unbelievable ! I hope those responsible can be ID'd and then
persecuted to the fullest extent possible under italian law.

These people should go to prison, and stay there a long time. Put the lives of hundreds of pax and crew in danger for a pay dispute? Ludicrous.

AZ staff are overpaid and underworked anyway!
 
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RE: Aircraft Sabotaged As Talks Begin On Job Cuts

Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:43 am

I would sentence them to 18 months flying on those machines!!!
 
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RE: Aircraft Sabotaged As Talks Begin On Job Cuts

Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting EE-Kay (Reply 4):
I would sentence them to 18 months flying on those machines!!!

How about 18 months at the hands of the families should anyone had gotten killed or hurt because of these stupid actions.
 
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RE: Aircraft Sabotaged As Talks Begin On Job Cuts

Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:34 am

Those "people" are completely insane. I hope they get caught quick. SHAME ON THEM.
 
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RE: Aircraft Sabotaged As Talks Begin On Job Cuts

Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:42 am

Quoting BAtriple7 (Reply 1):
Alitalia said that the sabotage did not put flight safety at risk because it was spotted in time by maintenance workers.

Well thankfully the maintenance workers spotted the damage in time! Congrats to the maintenance workers for doing a good job! If it had not been spotted by them, then we could very well have been reading about another accident here on A.net
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RE: Aircraft Sabotaged As Talks Begin On Job Cuts

Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:50 am

Quoting BAtriple7 (Reply 1):
Italy is under growing pressure from the European Commission to stop bailing out Alitalia. The commission is considering whether a proposed €1.2 billion “recapitalisation” amounts to an illegal state subsidy.

I don't understand this, maybe someone can explain. I am to beleive that subsidizing businesses is legal and widely accepted in Europe because of their socialistic democratic ways. If so, why is the EC butting its nose in Italy's business?

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RE: Aircraft Sabotaged As Talks Begin On Job Cuts

Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting Eatmybologna (Reply 8):
why is the EC butting its nose in Italy's business?

This explains it well... http://ec.europa.eu/comm/competition/state_aid/overview/
 
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RE: Aircraft Sabotaged As Talks Begin On Job Cuts

Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:15 am

Thanks for the link N701AA  Smile

That explains the situation well. Perhaps Alitalia will get a pass considering they're in dire straits and the EC intervenes with assistance when necessary for a well-functioning and equitable economy.

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RE: Aircraft Sabotaged As Talks Begin On Job Cuts

Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:20 am

If the cables were cut to the tail section of the aircraft, assuming its flight controls, I'm sure it would have been noticed as soon as the pilots got into the cockpit. I'm not condoning what they did, but I'm sure the intent was to destroy the aircraft, not kill a bunch of people. They were pissed they were going to loose their jobs, and wanted to make it hard on the company. Thats my take on it anyhow.
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RE: Aircraft Sabotaged As Talks Begin On Job Cuts

Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:56 am

Quoting Eatmybologna (Reply 8):
I am to beleive that subsidizing businesses is legal and widely accepted in Europe because of their socialistic democratic ways.

Believe what you will. The EU and the US both support key businesses' survival as part of governments role of protecting the interest of the society it represents. In the US it's called "Tax Breaks" (frequently dished out to the likes of Boeing) or "Chapter 11" to artificially keep otherwise Dead-On-Arrival businesses (i.e. all US major legacy carriers) alive. Somehow the EU flavour is shameful "socialist democratic" practice, whilst the US version is 'normal capitalism'.
Just ask BA who had no such benefits and had to weather all the same storms as US carriers who cited Sept 11th as the sole source of their woes, whilst the reality was irrelevant, inefficient and unsustainable cost structures.
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RE: Aircraft Sabotaged As Talks Begin On Job Cuts

Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:21 am

Not exactly apples to apples, but good points OzGlobal.

Now in regards to BA, hasn't this airliner been the recipient of protectionism and an unfair advantage through the holdings of a generous number of slots at London Heathrow?

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RE: Aircraft Sabotaged As Talks Begin On Job Cuts

Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:48 am

If I had reservations on Alitalia I would cancel them or try to transfer them to another airline. I'd rather be out a couple of thousand bucks and in one piece than scattered over the Pyrenees because some chav mechanic(s) is/are unhappy w/their union contract.
 
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RE: Aircraft Sabotaged As Talks Begin On Job Cuts

Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:27 am

This is completely sickening!  Sad  Angry The fact that some A$$hole would have the heart to do such a thing amazes me.
 
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RE: Aircraft Sabotaged As Talks Begin On Job Cuts

Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:55 am

Scary. I have always thought there needs to be a certain level of trust and respect between pilots and mechanics. To do something like this completely violates that idea. If I cannot depend on the people working on the aircraft, I would be a lot quicker to cancel over any syspect problem.
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RE: Aircraft Sabotaged As Talks Begin On Job Cuts

Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:26 pm

Quoting Usair320 (Reply 15):
The fact that some A$$hole would have the heart to do such a thing amazes me.

I don't know why this is surprising; this happens all the time when there are labor relation issues.
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RE: Aircraft Sabotaged As Talks Begin On Job Cuts

Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:41 pm

I feel bad for the truly hardworking rank and file at AZ (all 3 of them), but the only way Italy will regain an airline that is safe and well run is to let the present AZ fail. Those who would stoop so low as to sabotage aircraft and risk lives have no place working in the airline industry. They belong in prison. Alitalia's unions are as out of touch with reality as Sabena's union was. If they think it can't happen, guess again.
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