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AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:59 pm

After recently having announced non-stop service from MIA and PBI to Chicago's Midway airport, airTran today announced new non-stops from MIA and PBI to Indianapolis:

http://prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/storie...story/10-10-2006/0004448275&EDATE=
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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:51 am

FL is really building up both IND and MDW below the radar. So many people on this site criticize FL for not seizing opportunities, but I think FL is nicely set up for when one or more legacy carriers fail, by becoming smaller players in multiple major markets, rather than a major player at only one or two large markets. If NW goes down, FL can expand IND for example. They are setting themselves up perfectly.
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:51 am

Great news for the Midwesterners again! Another alternative to NW out of IND. This should be another good move for FL.
WHEN, oh WHEN will the westward expansion come though - out of MDW, BWI, etc?

Also, how about STL-ATL, BWI & LAS?
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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:57 am

OK, well that is actually quite good. I know that IND-FLL has quite a bit of O & D between the snowbirds, visitors, and cruise pax. NW does well on that route. FL also serves it nonstop. I think it's time to open up the connection to the other Platinum Coast cities.

Competition of the MIA route will come from MQ's ERJ. PBI has no non stops between the cities.

Just a quick check of fares on Orbitz for Thanksgiving Week (since it is a popular travel period) to MIA from IND gives fares of 898.00 on MQ. Very steep for domestic midwest service. PBI fares for same period is FL themselves (the cheapest) at 414.00 with a stop.

Reverse fare are cheaper (by about 100.00 for PBI, but about 300.00 from MIA) as it is off season from South FLorida.

I'm not worried for MIA, but will PBI be a problem. I need to dig up the numbers to see. Mark, you might have them off hand.
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:07 am

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 3):
Competition of the MIA route will come from MQ's ERJ.

When did AA end the 737 service along the route?

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 3):
I'm not worried for MIA, but will PBI be a problem.

the numbers are low (Faremeasure says 46) but at the same time, historically, Indianapolis has seen multiple nonstops into Ft. Lauderdale and zero into West Palm. what might have been going on...people were simply flying into Ft. Lauderdale and then commuting up to West Palm Beach. now, cutting down the number of frequencies into Ft. Lauderdale and just simply offering a nonstop into West Palm Beach might prove fruitful.
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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:15 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 4):
historically, Indianapolis has seen multiple nonstops into Ft. Lauderdale and zero into West Palm.

USAir served IND-PBI back in the day.
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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:36 am

looking at FL's route map several other routes seem ripe for the pickin..
IND-CLT
IND-BOS
IND-LGA
IND-EWR
IND-IAD/DCA
Possible even IAD-BWI or PHL despite WN on the route
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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:43 am

Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 1):
but I think FL is nicely set up for when one or more legacy carriers fail

On the East Coast yes, but their West Coast service is dismal. They shold expand out this way. They don't have many major East Coast markets left to enter.
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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:45 am

Will these be 717 routes or 737 routes?
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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:48 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 7):
They don't have many major East Coast markets left to enter.

Im hoping for PVD!

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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:47 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 5):

USAir served IND-PBI back in the day.

As did Northwest Airlink.
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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:58 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
Quoting A330323X (Reply 5):

USAir served IND-PBI back in the day.

As did Northwest Airlink.

yeah, you're right. i knew about the Airlink thing. but wasn't that one season only and Saturday only service?

i should have used "minimal"

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 8):
Will these be 717 routes or 737 routes?

it says both. i'm thinking the 737's will be used on cruise ship days.
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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:27 am

I'm surpirsed they hadn't gone after IND-PBI/MIA before. The new FL flights should drop those fares. I can only imagine havign to dish out 800 bucks to fly the route pre FL. Keep on expanding AirTran...

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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:36 am

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 12):

How long until Northwest announces resumption of service into Miami or West Palm?
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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:52 am

Word on the street is a new city will be announced Friday (Oct 13). Personally, I think it'll be a firm start date for CUN. If not, look for for PHX or STL....
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:58 am

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 2):
Another alternative to NW out of IND

Ahh, always good to hear.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 6):
looking at FL's route map several other routes seem ripe for the pickin..

Yes, but most of these routes are in direct competition with at least one other airline. FL might pick them, but I doubt if they are ripe.

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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:41 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 13):

How long until Northwest announces resumption of service into Miami or West Palm?

Lol I vote a week!

Quoting Travatl (Reply 14):
Word on the street is a new city will be announced Friday (Oct 13). Personally, I think it'll be a firm start date for CUN. If not, look for for PHX or STL....

Hopefully they jump in on PHX and STL first. They should work on the west first, then Caribbean. So what do you think their STL and PHX schedules would look like if they announced them.

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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:05 pm

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 16):
Hopefully they jump in on PHX and STL first. They should work on the west first, then Caribbean.

I disagree on this, a bit. The season for Caribbean travel is coming right up and around the corner. With all their flights from the midwest and the northeast, they could probably make a go at a destination or two, offering an "off bank time" departure.

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 16):
So what do you think their STL and PHX schedules would look like if they announced them.

I suspect they would announce Phoenix before St. Louis, just because Phoenix is more of a hole in their system than St. Louis. Both airports are served enough by their respective carriers, but Phoenix geographically makes for better connecting opportunities to the AirTran network, and there's probably enough of a local following to jump on board.

Phoenix -- 2 x daily 737

St. Louis -- 3 x daily 717
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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:43 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 6):
Possible even IAD-BWI or PHL despite WN on the route

Do you mean possibly IND-IAD, BWI, or PHL. Because WN doesn't fly PHL-IND and i doubt they will fly IAD-IND anytime soon
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:37 pm

Did Airtran secure more gates for this expansion?
how many gates do they currently have?
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:33 pm

I thought they had 3.
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:20 pm

Question: Does AirTran sell tickets that have connections in IND or MDW? Or are IND and MDW sold strictly as O/D markets by FL?
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:38 am

Indy Star article on the FL expansion in IND.

Indy Star Article

According to the story:

NW-286 daily flights
FL-107 daily flights
WN-106 daily flights

I can see a little more Air Tran expansion (BOS, BWI) before the new terminal opens in 2008 and after that anything is possible.

Latest picture of the new terminal under construction:

 
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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:51 am

Quoting IndyCanuck (Reply 22):
According to the story:

NW-286 daily flights
FL-107 daily flights
WN-106 daily flights

FL only has 12 daily flights (using today's schedule) I'd assume there are a few more weekend only flights.

WN is listed as 16 daily (today).

NW is listed as 69 daily including DL/CO and connection flights.
 
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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:55 am

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 19):
Did Airtran secure more gates for this expansion?
how many gates do they currently have?

AirTran definitely has C2 and C4 and they've been using C10 from time to time since April. C10, I believe is, for the most part, a common use gate, unless they've got their full artillerly of colors displayed on it as of now. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think all the gates in the "C" Concourse are common use, but the regularly scheduled airlines that use them get the priority on the gates. AirTran only has roughly 17 or 18 daily flights from Indianapolis, depending on their seasonal activities.

Quoting IndyCanuck (Reply 22):
NW-286 daily flights
FL-107 daily flights
WN-106 daily flights

That was weekly.
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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:02 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 18):
i doubt they will fly IAD-IND anytime soon

Actaully, WN either just started, or will be starting that route soon.

I agree, it would be nice to see some eastcoast expansion with FL.

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RE: AirTran To Begin MIA/PBI-IND

Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:20 am

Quoting ATAIndy (Reply 25):
I agree, it would be nice to see some eastcoast expansion with FL

It'd be nice to see any expansion out of Indianapolis. Next summer it'd be great to see them offer a nonstop to Seattle. Plus, if people are so anxious to fly them to Florida, I'm sure they'd love to fly them to other sunny destinations, too. Las Vegas, anyone?
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