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65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:07 am

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA806

does anyone know what sort of aircraft this is? Ignore the line jumping all over the place. The reason it does that is that the plane was probably over the water for the flt and then came back.
 
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:12 am

It's a Lockheed ER-2, N806NA!

http://www1.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/ER-2/Small/ED06-0117-24.jpg

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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:13 am

It has to be a business jet - perhaps a Learjet; however, the airspeed of 400kts is most likely inaccurate; above FL250 (?), Mach meters are more accurate.
 
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:26 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 2):
It has to be a business jet - perhaps a Learjet

Not a chance...LJ's aren't even certified to FL500.
 
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:37 am

Bond007.. Thanks for the link.. you are right on that one. Are they doing weather observations??

On another note, I wish this site existed when the SR-71 or A-12 was flying for NASA still. That would have been sweet to track

Any Lear would not top FL520 and would not be able to stay up for more then 5 hrs. Still impressive, but the FL550 and up barrier is where I take a step back and say wow. I mean above 63,000 your blood can boil and they "fly" in a space suit.
 
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:56 am

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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:17 am

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 5):
And the pattern of this flight:

The pattern somehow looks familiar to those I have seen from the Global Hawk unmanned aircraft. They had a show about that on tv the other day. Would those flights be visible on flightaware.com as well?
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:31 am

Those are awesome! Didn't know you could see that sort of thing on Flightaware.
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:49 am

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 5):
And the pattern of this flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N.../KEDW

What are they looking for? Seismic activity?
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:14 am

NASA 806 or the Lockheed ER-2 is for most practical things a copy of the US Air Force U-2R (the latter later converted to U-2S).

The U-2R's and the ER-2 were built at the same time, but the ER-2 went directly to NASA, named 806, and has since been used for various science projects, mostly weather and environment related.
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:58 pm

Quoting Jayspilot (Reply 4):
I mean above 63,000 your blood can boil and they "fly" in a space suit.

They are in suits mainly because the aircraft are not entirely pressurized (makes it lighter overall). When flying that high, pulling g's is structurally dangerous; they are not G-suits, just pressure suits.
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:02 pm

Quoting ATCGOD (Reply 3):
Not a chance...LJ's aren't even certified to FL500.

I know many lear pilots who have taken 31's up to 510, there is a special tie tack you can get when you take one up there.
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:02 am

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 11):
I know many lear pilots who have taken 31's up to 510, there is a special tie tack you can get when you take one up there.

Yup... Lear 55 and 60's are rated to 51000ft too.

I've heard of Citation X's being able to get to FL560 even though Cessna says a 51K service ceiling.
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 9):
The U-2R's and the ER-2 were built at the same time, but the ER-2 went directly to NASA, named 806, and has since been used for various science projects, mostly weather and environment related.

25 U-2R's were ordered in 1968 and built during the 1970's.

The ER-2 was ordered in 1980 along with 35 TR-1's which were built during the 1980's.

Reference "Lockheed Aircraft Since 1913" by Rene J Francillon, Naval Institute Press
 
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:29 am

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 8):
What are they looking for? Seismic activity?

They're probably taking aerial photographs. That or doing some other kind of mapping, like LIDAR.
 
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:34 am

Quoting Seanp11 (Reply 14):
They're probably taking aerial photographs

The ER-2's are like a personal live Google Earth! lol
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:40 am

Quoting DTManiac (Reply 6):
The pattern somehow looks familiar to those I have seen from the Global Hawk unmanned aircraft.

Not surprising, considering the Global Hawk is built for the U-2/TR-1 replacement mission.

Quoting DTManiac (Reply 6):
They had a show about that on tv the other day. Would those flights be visible on flightaware.com as well?

If the transponders are turned on, definitely. The Global Hawks are somewhat stealthy (though not full-on stealth aircraft) so it wouldn't show up nearly as well as a civilian aircraft. However, Global Hawks are FAA certified and can fly in the U.S. civilian airspace. They even file their own flight plans. I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:50 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 16):
They even file their own flight plans. I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.

Welcome Robot Overlords!!! We bow to you... j/k

At least they don't break any rules like human pilots and they would never do something stupid that would endanger fellow onboard programs.  Wink hehe
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:31 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 16):
If the transponders are turned on, definitely. The Global Hawks are somewhat stealthy (though not full-on stealth aircraft) so it wouldn't show up nearly as well as a civilian aircraft. However, Global Hawks are FAA certified and can fly in the U.S. civilian airspace. They even file their own flight plans. I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.

The fact that it may have a transponder is unrelated to whether it will show up on the tracking websites (although if it didn't have one, it most certainly won't show)....and if it has a transponder switched on, it is no less 'visible' to secondary radar than a 747 with a transponder on.

The flight tracking data is processed through numerous FAA/government filters before it gets to websites, and almost military traffic is excluded from the feed. The only ones that get through are because they happen to coincidentally file a flight number/callsign that corresponds to a valid civilian airline code.

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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:41 am

"...probably taking aerial photographs. That or doing some other kind of mapping"

Looks like over Yellowstone and Grand Tetons National Parks.
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:46 am

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 18):
The only ones that get through are because they happen to coincidentally file a flight number/callsign that corresponds to a valid civilian airline code.

Uhh... then the filters suck because i don't think that there is any such "civilian airline" named "National Aeronautics And Space Administration" with the callsign "NASA." I also know for a fact that their is NO civilian ER-2's flying around.
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:06 am

Actually NASA is a civilian agency, so it's not a military flight at all 

Just out of interest (well it might to some!), the filter also thinks that any callsign starting 'N' then a numeric, is a N- registered aircraft. You'll sometimes see some foreign aircraft file 'N' in front of the registration. For example, the Libyan IL76s file 'N7TWIx' when visiting the USA...and therefore show on the tracking systems.


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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:22 am

Quoting Seanp11 (Reply 14):
Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 8):
What are they looking for? Seismic activity?

They're probably taking aerial photographs. That or doing some other kind of mapping, like LIDAR.

They mapped the entirety of Yellowstone National Park in that sortie. Could be looking at a number of things from volcanic to forestry use.
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:25 am

Wow - I'm sure the view is great from up there, but eight hours in a pressure suit does not sound like fun.

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 10):
They are in suits mainly because the aircraft are not entirely pressurized (makes it lighter overall). When flying that high, pulling g's is structurally dangerous; they are not G-suits, just pressure suits.

Even if the planes were pressurized, they'd have to wear the suits, since their blood would boil in the event of a rapid decompression at altitude.

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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:27 am

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 21):
Actually NASA is a civilian agency, so it's not a military flight at all

That's why NASA flights show up on Flight Explorer. Those little T-38's are always zipping around all over the place. It's fun to watch them take off from EDW and climb to 40000 ft in just a couple of minutes.



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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:37 am

I always liked this little story.

An SR-71 crew was monitoring cockpit chatter near Los Angeles. A Cessna asked to clear to 4000 ft, a corporate jet requested clearance to 12,000, an airliner to 18,000, etc. Finally the SR-71 called ATC.

SR-71: "Request clearance to 80,000 ft"
Tower: "Just how in hell do you plan to get up there?"
SR-71: "Uh, I'm descending to 80,000".
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:05 am

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 9):
The U-2R's and the ER-2 were built at the same time, but the ER-2 went directly to NASA, named 806, and has since been used for various science projects, mostly weather and environment related.

Another mission was radiation monitoring. Some Beale U2-rs had to be contaminated after recovery.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 25):
I always liked this little story.

I was looking for the site where that story was told to post it on the thread on funny ATC chatter. Couldn't find it, you told the story much better. Like all War Stories, it is true.

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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:11 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 25):
SR-71: "Uh, I'm descending to 80,000".

Having been to FL420 before... i can only imagine the view at FL800+  Smile
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:07 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 25):
SR-71: "Request clearance to 80,000 ft"
Tower: "Just how in hell do you plan to get up there?"
SR-71: "Uh, I'm descending to 80,000".

He should have said, "Uh, I'll just throttle back a little."
 
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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:29 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 23):
Even if the planes were pressurized, they'd have to wear the suits, since their blood would boil in the event of a rapid decompression at altitude

Concorde flew out there too, why didn't their passengers wear suits?  Smile Did you know the first Boeing 2707, the swing-wing Mach 3 monster, was designed to reach FL720. Would it have been normal attire for pilots to be in pressure suits and passengers in business suits? An airliner, whatever speed or altitude needs to be fully pressurized, what frequent flying passenger is going to get into a pressure suit everytime? That would be extra time at the airport. I'm not doing that.

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 27):
Having been to FL420 before... i can only imagine the view at FL800+

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RE: 65000 Ft At 400kts For 8 Hours?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:47 am

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 29):
Think of a bruise; black and blue.

LMAO!!! It took me a second...
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