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Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:14 pm

Hey All
Just out of interest does anyone know of any commercial carriers that still allow jumpseats to passengers post 9/11? I have heard that AF and OA still allow them, are there any others?
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:18 pm

Not unless you are buddies with the flight crew. Even then it's against the policy of many airlines.
 
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:26 pm

KL has no problem giving out the jumpseats, either cockpit or cabin. Some captains ask for identification and/or a flight safety certificate, but most are happy to take you.

I'm ground staff and last summer flew with my kids from AMS to MEX on KL, the boys had cabin jump seats and that made it one of the best trips ever.

The assistant purser showed them all over the plane, even went into the main deck cargo compartment (B744Combi) and best of all, they got like 6 or 7 meals each, they just gobbled up everything that came back unopened into the pantry  Wink
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:26 pm

I don't know about other countries but in the US isn't it now against the law to have non-employees on the flight deck during flight. perhapps I am mistaken but I thought I heard that somewhere. I thought I also heard that the captain has the final say in the matter.
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:00 pm

Some NZ pilots still do. I did it in 2003 and another a.netter did it not to long ago
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:06 pm

Transport Canada (which loves playing monkey see monkey do with the FAA) has made up a law that forbids anyone except for company aircrew from accessing the flight deck, so forget AC / WS / TS / etc.
BA doesn't allow either, but I don't know whether it's British law, or company procedure - I don't suppose it makes much difference though.

I heard that if you know the right people at AF you can get in, but I have never been successful, even with pilot licence in hand.

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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:06 pm

Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 3):
I thought I also heard that the captain has the final say in the matter.

Not sure about it being an official law, but I know U.S. airlines dont allow it as a general rule. But I'm guessing they do leave the final say up to the captain for certain circumstances. For example, I was in the cockpit on an America West 757(at the gate) last semester and the captain was showing me a pic of his son on his camera phone sitting in the FO seat during a flight.
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:36 pm

Quoting SB (Reply 5):
I heard that if you know the right people at AF you can get in, but I have never been successful, even with pilot licence in hand.

I will be flying SIN-CDG soon, What do you think my chances are?

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 6):
For example, I was in the cockpit on an America West 757(at the gate) last semester and the captain was showing me a pic of his son on his camera phone sitting in the FO seat during a flight.

I know that on some carriers (eg Cathay Pacific) that any of the Aircrew's immediate family that are somehow registered with the airline (through staff ticketing I think) are allowed to jumpseat, this may be the same case?

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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:45 pm

At OS it is possible but you have to know one of the operating flightcrews.

AFAIK QR and EK forbid it completly. The only exceptions are pilots of their own airline or engineers when on important duty travel when the cabin is full.
 
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:32 am

Quoting 9VSRH (Reply 7):
I will be flying SIN-CDG soon, What do you think my chances are?

If you ask the FAs once aboard: next to none. The majority of AF cabin staff take pride in saying no for some reason - on North Atlantic and Domestic flights anyway.
If you can grapple the Captain before he's locked up in his cabin and convince him that you have a good reason to travel up front you may have a chance. I'm sure speaking french would help too  Wink

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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:43 am

it's simply not allowed by law in any flight deck for any US carrier and (I think) only company policy for the cabin seats. For the flight deck, you must 1.) be a company pilot -or- 2.) be a pilot for another carrier and participate in the C.A.S.S. system and present a valid passport at time of checkin. I think most major U.S. carriers are participating in this program now. Unfortunately, it's just not what it used to be pre 9-11......but at the same time, really can't be.

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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:43 am

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 6):
But I'm guessing they do leave the final say up to the captain for certain circumstances

No, the pilots are given guidelines to whom is allowed flightdeck entry, and family are not allowed in the flight deck. Even we flight attendants aren't even allowed in the FD until the sterile FD is over. The only time we really go into the flight deck, is when one of the pilots needs to use the restroom or to discuss security concerns. They don't even want us up there to socialise anymore, (unless the flight attendant is a young, attractive, 21 year-old female) stirthepot . Like Mjlhou said, deadeheading pilots, off-duty pilots, pilots with whom carriers have reciprocal j/s agreements with, mechanics on company duty, senior mgt, FAA officials, secret service, etc.

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 6):
For example, I was in the cockpit on an America West 757(at the gate) last semester and the captain was showing me a pic of his son on his camera phone sitting in the FO seat during a flight.

Well, if that's true, then that captain is playing with his career as is the FO that was flying with him, because family members are not allowed in the flight deck during flight, take-off/landing under any circumstances.

Quoting Mjlhou (Reply 10):
it's simply not allowed by law in any flight deck for any US carrier and (I think) only company policy for the cabin seats.

 checkmark  It's been law since 1984, and re-enforced after 9/11
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:53 am

Quoting 9VSRH (Thread starter):
I have heard that AF and OA still allow them, are there any others?

I have no clue about OA but recently a friend and me found ourself on the cockpit jumpseat of an Aeroflot A319 (DUS-SVO) after we had a small-talk with the F/O.

Air France is actually pretty famous for giving the jumpseat to aviation enthusiasts from time to time, see:
DUS-CDG-MAN In Eco And On The Jumpseat (Pics/Vids) (by Sabena332 Jul 20 2004 in Trip Reports) Channel Hopping, French Style! Jump Seat + Pics (by A340600 Mar 9 2006 in Trip Reports) AF Jumpseat Experience In Minute Detail - W/pics! (by UTA_FLYinghigh Feb 3 2004 in Trip Reports)

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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:57 am

in 1990 I flew TA BZE-MIA jumpseat....the agent in Belize was doign me a favour to squeeze me on the flight..

Was the best flight ever...and the crew were really great...showing me everythign in the cockpit...till we hit some dead air over S. Fla!
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:24 am

If it is any consolation BA pilots will allow you on the FD whilst the plane is on the ground. My son managed to get an invite on to a T7's FD just prior to take off.

Of course, with a Masters aersopace engineering degree in his pocket, he talked shop with them.
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:25 am

Quoting Browntailwhale (Reply 14):
......................

Yes I agree!!

I have jumpseated twice post 9/11, Once on AF, I was offered, and once on KL as staff....

Tis fun!
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:28 am

At LH it says "only on duty staff"... But company staff travelling on board may of course perform some duty for example by checking the airspace around by looking out of the window... Decision rests with the captain of course!

But as soon as you're entering US airspace (and I think british airspace as well?) it's forbidden by law, even for non-US airlines!

But I'm pretty amazed that some airlines still accept non-company jumps...
Well well...

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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:30 am

Quoting 9VSRH (Reply 7):
I will be flying SIN-CDG soon, What do you think my chances are?

No chance if you don't know the captain or first officer. It was clearly possible before 9/11 but since then...
 
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:31 am

9K (Cape Air) offers the jumpseat for anyone who wants it. I've flown it twice on ACK-HYA flights since 9/11.
 
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:34 am

Whats the chance of me getting a jumpseat AF292 CDG-KIX? (pls remember my age!)

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Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:48 am

Quoting EDDB (Reply 16):
But as soon as you're entering US airspace (and I think british airspace as well?) it's forbidden by law, even for non-US airlines!

It's not, at least not when you're flying on AF, see my trip report (the picture of me was taken above London and the vids were taken on short final to MAN, we didn't have to leave the cockpit when the plane entered British airspace). I also saw pictures from a certain A.net member who sat on the cockpit jumpseat of an AF A332 while taking-off at BOS.

Quoting Baguy (Reply 19):
Whats the chance of me getting a jumpseat AF292 CDG-KIX? (pls remember my age!)

Simply ask when you are boarding, nothing is impossible when you're flying on AF!  bigthumbsup 

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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:51 am

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 18):
9K (Cape Air) offers the jumpseat for anyone who wants it. I've flown it twice on ACK-HYA flights since 9/11.

On a Cessna 402??? There is no jumpseat.
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:54 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 20):
It's not, at least not when you're flying on AF, see my trip report (the picture of me was taken above London and the vids were taken on short final to MAN, we didn't have to leave the cockpit when the plane entered British airspace). I also saw pictures from a certain A.net member who sat on the cockpit jumpseat of an AF A332 while taking-off at BOS.

As I said, I'm not sure about british airspace, maybe some BA guys can help us out here...
But I'm sure about the US! And remember, actually being on a cockpit jump doesn't mean it's allowed...
 
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:00 am

You can still do it on LX if you know the pilot, but it is theoretically forbidden except for specific company employees

Luckily i know a lot of pilots  Wink
 
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:07 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 11):
Well, if that's true, then that captain is playing with his career as is the FO that was flying with him, because family members are not allowed in the flight deck during flight, take-off/landing under any circumstances.

Maybe at your airline. Some permit non-revs on part 91 ferry flights.
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:08 am

Rule 1: Know some of the flight crew
Rule 2: Dress somewhat nicely
Rule 3: Having a PPL helps alot
Rule 4: Working with an airline helps alot too
 
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:13 am

Quoting EDDB (Reply 22):
And remember, actually being on a cockpit jump doesn't mean it's allowed...

Good point.  Wink

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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:20 am

I just read the FARs in the US about this and the FAR states that the pilot in command and the part 119 certifacate holder have the say in who is allowed on the flight deck. also the pilot in command has the authority to exclude anyone from the flight deck including FAA examiners, DOD personel in the interests of flight safety.
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:53 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 20):
Quoting EDDB (Reply 16):
But as soon as you're entering US airspace (and I think british airspace as well?) it's forbidden by law, even for non-US airlines!

One buddy flew from BOS-CDG on AF about two years ago, got jumpseat access during takeoff in Boston, apparently his pictures are on the a.net photo database.

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 23):
You can still do it on LX if you know the pilot, but it is theoretically forbidden except for specific company employees

Luckily i know a lot of pilots

Help me out.  Smile I'm flying BOS-ZRH in December, hoping to grant some jumpseat access if I got to talk to the pilots long enough before the flight.  Smile
I'm a private pilot plus an aircraft mechanic in the U.S. Navy, so maybe that'll help get access.

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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:18 am

Quoting Nkops (Reply 21):
On a Cessna 402??? There is no jumpseat.

They have the ATR too.

I can understand the appeal of the cockpit jumpseat, but why would anyone want to sit in the cabin jumpseat? FA's don't even want to sit in the cabin jumpseats.
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Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:20 pm

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 25):
Rule 1: Know some of the flight crew
Rule 2: Dress somewhat nicely
Rule 3: Having a PPL helps alot
Rule 4: Working with an airline helps alot too

All that amounts to jack squat in the US. Nobody is flying cockpit jumpseat in the US except for flight crews and FAA inspectors, end of story.
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Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:32 pm

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 25):
Rule 1: Know some of the flight crew
Rule 2: Dress somewhat nicely
Rule 3: Having a PPL helps alot
Rule 4: Working with an airline helps alot too

..and in the US none of those rules are in effect. Unless you meet the requirments of the FAR.. you are not allowed in the cockpit while in flight.
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:34 pm

Quoting 9VSRH (Thread starter):
Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Yes.

Quoting Kazzie (Reply 15):
Yes I agree!!

I have jumpseated twice post 9/11, Once on AF, I was offered, and once on KL as staff....

Tis fun!

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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:37 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 30):
All that amounts to jack squat in the US. Nobody is flying cockpit jumpseat in the US except for flight crews and FAA inspectors, end of story.

Not true, see the most recent issue of flying magazine. If the Chief Pilot of the Airline as well as the FAA approves it anyone can be issued a pass for admission to the flight deck, it is called FAA form 8430-6.

Basically Flight Deck access in the US is defined in 1544.237 which says that the airline must follow their security program which is created by the airline and approved by the Government.
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:22 pm

Quoting 9VSRH (Thread starter):
Hey All
Just out of interest does anyone know of any commercial carriers that still allow jumpseats to passengers post 9/11? I have heard that AF and OA still allow them, are there any others?
Cheers

I shouldn't have to say this, and I know you're just a kid. However, you should carefully word and mind what you post on the internet, especially airliners.net.....

The moderators should really "moderate" and delete posts which include jumpseat information as this one has.......this information shouldn't be in the public domain.

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Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:36 pm

In the US, aviation students such as UND or Embry Riddle have internships which allows jumpseat access for familiarization class which used to irritate me because I have flight time quite a bit as a matter of fact plus an A@P and an employee and a dispatcher licence which should have allowed me multiple access to the jumpseat but becauce I was a mechanic I was a scumbag in the eyes of the pilots unless they needed my help then I was their friend but aside my from my tirade you can as a student ride the jumpseat as part of your schooling.
 
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Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:03 pm

Quoting RandyWaldron (Reply 34):
The moderators should really "moderate" and delete posts which include jumpseat information as this one has.......this information shouldn't be in the public domain.

Why? It all is in the public domain already?
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:59 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 20):
nothing is impossible when you're flying on AF

Last year my kid (18) came back from CDG to AMS in the cockpit as a non-revver, as there were no cabin seats available.

I was anxiously waiting for him to get on some flight as all flights were very full that day due to a cancellation and had already told him to wait for RG's MD11 in the afternoon (as they were still flying).

I didn't expect the AF crew to offer the jumpseat and was very pleasantly surprised. The kid had a wonderful ride of course! He'd also jumpseated on Laser a few weeks before that (CCS-PMV) because the pilots were old friends. So now he wants to be a pilot of course  Wink

So good luck to you, I think there's a very good possibility you'll get in.
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:28 pm

Quoting SB (Reply 9):
The majority of AF cabin staff take pride in saying no for some reason

We don't "take any pride" saying no for some reason.
If we say "No", it is simply because the Captain, at the briefing, mentionned : "no visit in the Cockpit".

Some AF Captains had serious troubles, after some passengers refered to the FAA that they saw other passengers taken to the Cockpit by the Crew ... That's why, now, on most flights to the U.S & Canada most of them don't accept anymore visits in the Cockpit, unfortunuatly ....

Riding in the Cockpit/Jumpseat on AF flights for staff/non-rev when the flight is full is very common, whether you are flying staff, ground staff, AF or not.
 
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:40 pm

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 33):
If the Chief Pilot of the Airline as well as the FAA approves it anyone can be issued a pass for admission to the flight deck, it is called FAA form 8430-6.

Which, in practice, will never happen. Don't go getting these kids hopes up, man, we'll have airliners.net members sending letters to chief pilots and the FAA next!  silly  Heck, sometimes regular flight crews just trying to commute in the jumpseat have a hard enough time!
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:28 pm

An intervention,if I may :
There are three air spaces where flight decks are (in the post 9-11 jargon ), "sterilised" : the US, the UK and Israel.
Elsewhere, it's up to tha captain to accept you in the cockpit.
But first, there are rules -written or not - that are followed :
1/- You cannot be sold a jumpseat ticket if you are are a fare paying passenger. You'll have your own cabin seat and allowed in the cockpit some time during the flight, or even the whole flight.
2/-If the airplane is full, non-rev passengers could be registered as JS. Non rev in this case is mainly for airline's staff, either ground- or flight-.
3/- It's a captain's privilege.
4/- Part of the decision is about the workload in the cockpit...this means that being in front during a low-vis takeoff or a cat III landing is close to impossible.
5/- Be nice...Just ask the captain as he has a company habit of welcoming the boarding passengers...the only risk you'll be running is a polite "No".
But try again next time.
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:33 pm

Quoting GOCAPS16 (Reply 28):

Help me out. I'm flying BOS-ZRH in December, hoping to grant some jumpseat access if I got to talk to the pilots long enough before the flight.
I'm a private pilot plus an aircraft mechanic in the U.S. Navy, so maybe that'll help get access.

It depends who´ll be piloting your flight really, you might be lucky to have a nice dude on. I´d think your odds are better if you ask for access on arrival at ZRH rather than on departure at BOS  Smile

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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:37 pm

I always need a cockpit permit issued by the Swiss federal office for civil aviation when I want the jumpseat in Switzerland.

But one can always ask  Wink Good luck.

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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:42 pm

NZ will offer you the jumpseat for operational reasons (i.e. if the cabin is full) - at least on domestic flights. No harm in asking the crew though, they've never refused at least a flight deck visit, but haven't asked to jumpseat though.

Pegasus Airlines (Turkish) will allow you to jumpseat if you ask, and if there is space on the flightdeck. Most Turkey-UK flights won't as they have extra crew for the return sector.

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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:01 pm

OA and CY still do it.  Smile
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:07 pm

i heard that on short domestic flites they're quite leniant
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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:14 pm

I believe its totally up to the captain...
I was stranded (airline staff) at the NEW Bangkok Airport on the 5th,6th,7,8th of October trying to catch a ride back to Sydney on the QF002 / BA009 and cut a long story short I spoke to the captain operating BA009 and he said if I couldnt get a seat on the day that he would put request in to allow me to ride in the jumpseat  Wink
Sadly a seat in cattle class was available and yeah you know the rest! Damn!



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RE: Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?

Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:02 am

In 1989, as a 5 year-old I was offered to sit in the captains lap while cruising KWI-ARN. It was on a SAS plane - not sure what type. Didnt really pay too much attention to the types back then. I only knew Jumbo's vs Others  Smile THAT was an experience. I got to say hi to my parents on the intercom and even got to turn the aircraft with the help of the pilots hands. Upon descent I was forced to return to the cabin and my dad told me that I was devastated. Ever since then I've loved flying  Smile
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Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos