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Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:05 pm

My wife sent me a text from work saying they have an aircraft returning to LHR with a 'code 90', which means 'aircraft accident imminent'.

I just heard on the radio that a Kuwait Airways aircraft was struck by lightning and suffered an engine failure on departure, during the heavy thunder storms we've had this morning.

It has landed safely back at LHR now, according to LBC 97.3 news.

Edit - it was the KU102, returned safely as KU102R, landed at 1202pm LCL.

[Edited 2006-10-11 14:12:33]
 
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:20 pm

What does the "R" mean at the end of the number 102? KU102R? Is that supposed to mean that the aircraft is in distress?

Glad it was able to recover from the strike
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:13 pm

The crew reported an engine fire almost immediately after takeoff. It returned about 10 minutes later and landed on 09L safely.

I don't know any more, but lightning has caused quite a few problems today over punctuality.
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:23 pm

Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 1):
What does the "R" mean at the end of the number 102? KU102R? Is that supposed to mean that the aircraft is in distress?

I would assume that it means return, as in KU102R-eturning to LHR at a guess.
 
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:36 pm

Was it a 777 or A340?
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:43 pm

It was an A340. It was number 3 engine.
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:47 pm

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 5):
It was an A340. It was number 3 engine.

Thanks! Do you if it was going to New York or to Kuwait?
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:19 am

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 6):
Thanks! Do you if it was going to New York or to Kuwait?

It was flying to KWI from LHR, the flight originated in JFK.

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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:52 am

We had an a/c get struck that landed about 10-15 mins before that Kuwait. Was supposed to depart later, but the flight got cancelled and pax put on a later service due to the damage the lightning caused.

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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:16 am

what's going on with KU these days...last week there was another incident on a flight from DAC to KWI which had to be returned to DAC after 30 mins.
 
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:45 am

Quoting B7878 (Reply 9):
what's going on with KU these days...last week there was another incident on a flight from DAC to KWI which had to be returned to DAC after 30 mins.

Don't you mean "what's going on with mother nature"? It's a lightning strike, nothing that KU or any other carrier could predict with any degree of certainty!  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:50 am

Thank God it was an A340, with four engins; at least when one gets damaged you have three spare ones!
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:03 am

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 11):
Thank God it was an A340, with four engins; at least when one gets damaged you have three spare ones!

The 777's engine is more then powerful enough to pick up the slack.... Wink
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:04 am

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 11):
Thank God it was an A340, with four engins; at least when one gets damaged you have three spare ones!

Not in an A340, it can barely climb with four! Haha. Only kidding.

All aircraft are designed to be able to climb out with half their powerplants working. (Though I don't know whether 3-engined aircraft must have single engine or double engine capability).

A 777 would have had absolutely no problem climbing, especially with the thrust those engines have. Even an aged 762 can climb with one engine out, as shown last year by US in AMS.

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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:16 pm

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 2):
It returned about 10 minutes later and landed on 09L safely.

LHR-KWI. Wouldn't they have to dump fuel before landing? Can they do that and return to the airport in just 10 minutes?
 
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:34 pm

Quoting B7878 (Reply 9):
what's going on with KU these days

Lightning, from what I understand.
 
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:04 pm

Quoting Augustrg (Reply 14):
Wouldn't they have to dump fuel before landing? Can they do that and return to the airport in just 10 minutes

Would you dump fuel with an engine fire? Seems rather reckless to me. Perhaps the flight was sufficiently light to be above max landing weight without needing to dump fuel.

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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:23 pm

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 16):
Would you dump fuel with an engine fire? Seems rather reckless to me. Perhaps the flight was sufficiently light to be above max landing weight without needing to dump fuel.

Or of course it could have been one of those situations that required landing over the maximum landing weight. Depends how well the fire handle worked I guess.
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:41 pm

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 16):
Would you dump fuel with an engine fire? Seems rather reckless to me. Perhaps the flight was sufficiently light to be above max landing weight without needing to dump fuel.

Bren

Or you pull the fire extinguisher handle, put the fire out. Then shut down the engine and you are good to dump fuel!  Smile
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:52 pm

Dumping fuel over london would NOT be appreciated by the local residents.
I believe that fuel jettison procedures recommend not jettisoning below 10.000ft, as otherwise the fuel will not have dispersed and somebody's going to get it in the face...

there is however a procedure for landing above MLW, I guess the inspections/tyre replacements you might need wouldn't affect aircraft availability more than replacing an engine...
 
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:50 pm

Quoting Augustrg (Reply 14):
Wouldn't they have to dump fuel before landing?

No, I think it's the right choice they made. Even if an engine burns out, it's safe to land the plane quickly. A fire on a plane is never a good idea when you're flying, you need to be able to land quick if the situation gets out of hand. Going up to 10'000 plus above sea would have taken the 340 too far away from any landing strip in case of emergency.

SR111's mistakes showed us one thing: when anything burns, you'd better hurry up and land the plane, no matter what the weight.

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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:13 pm

LHR - KWI isnt even half the range of an A340 - dunno what the loads were like but she may have been not that far above max landing weight.
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:04 pm

Quoting Chuchoteur (Reply 19):
Dumping fuel over london would NOT be appreciated by the local residents

with fuel prices, i'de be happy to get out my funnel and can!!!!
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:34 pm

Actual aircraft involved was

ACARS mode: 1 Aircraft reg: 9K-ANB [Airbus A340]
Message label: ** Block id: @ Msg no: 02e3
Flight id: KU0102 [JFK-LHR-KWI] [Kuwait Airways]
----------------------------------------------------------[ 11/10/2006 09:49 ]-
 
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:01 pm

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 13):
Not in an A340, it can barely climb with four! Haha. Only kidding.

Some good photos of a 340 taking off after a engine failure after V1 on this link
http://www.flightforum.ch/forum/showthread.php?t=26895

Performance looks pretty good to me. Quads are certified to have a better climb performance than a twin with one engine out.
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:49 pm

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 11):
Don't you mean "what's going on with mother nature"? It's a lightning strike, nothing that KU or any other carrier could predict with any degree of certainty!

Yeah right. Mother nature.
 
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:52 pm

Quoting PipoA380 (Reply 20):
SR111's mistakes showed us one thing: when anything burns, you'd better hurry up and land the plane, no matter what the weight.

It's unfortunate that in this business we usually learn things the hard way, through mistakes and tragedies.

Very good that the crew of this aircraft came right back.

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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting Chuchoteur (Reply 19):
Dumping fuel over london would NOT be appreciated by the local residents.
I believe that fuel jettison procedures recommend not jettisoning below 10.000ft, as otherwise the fuel will not have dispersed and somebody's going to get it in the face...

If the situation is serious enough, then you would dump fuel immediately no matter what the height. The residents I'm sure would appreciate a good Jet-A1 shower more than 200+ tonnes of a/c smashing into them.

That 747 that lost 2 engines on climb out of LGW a number of years ago began dumping fuel immediately to help lighten the load whilst they struggled round the circuit on 2 engines, they got it back down though. Better to deal with the complaints of a few residents, rather than the relatives of the dead.

As Chrisba777er said, LHR-KWI isn't that far for an A343, so they wouldn't have been much above MLDW, if they even were above it.

I'll find out what MLDW for an A343 is tomorrow if I remember.

Just for info :-

CFM56-5C2 powered A343 :-

MZFW - 174,000kgs
MTOW- 257,000kgs

CFM56-5C4 powered A343 :-

MZFW - 178,000kgs
MTOW - 262,000kgs

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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:01 am

Doesn't most of the dumped fuel vaporise anyway?

Probably depends on height.
 
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RE: Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning

Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:06 am

Depends on the height, thats why it usually takes place over 10,000ft.

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