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Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:53 am

CNN reporting that a small plane has crashed into a building on the upper east side of Manhattan. No other info at this moment.

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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:56 am

It's at 72nd and York. Fox and MSNBC are reporting it's a helicopter. The fire is pretty small...maybe 4 or 5 apartments.

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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:56 am

CNBC is reporting that there is no sign of terrorism at this point.
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:57 am

Near 51st street and York Ave. Overcast. Rain and T-storms forecast. Moderate sized fire in the building resulted. Near a heli-pad. Might be a helicopter.
 
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:59 am

My guess is that it was a medical helicopter. There are a number of hospitals not far away.
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:59 am

Helicopter Crashes Into NYC Highrise (by 71Zulu Oct 11 2006 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:59 am

Seems like it might be a helicopter....

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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:01 am

FAA saying it's a SMALL PLANE now....

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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:08 am

Seems that the aircraft impacted somewhere on the 10th floor, about halfway up the building. CNN reports that the ceiling in NYC is at 1800 ft., well above the level of the building. Clear air below. Structure is on fire both on the 10th floor and on the ground.

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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:08 am

WABC also saying small plane. Fire on 41st floor. Its near the Hospital for Special surgery
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:16 am

The building is located on 524 East 72nd Street. The crash affected parts of the 44th and 45th floors. The general belief is that this is a Helicopter crash. There is a Heliport - JRB, on East 34th Street alongside the East River. Which is near to the crash site.
 
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:16 am

Quoting Kaukau (Reply 3):
Near 51st street and York Ave. Overcast. Rain and T-storms forecast. Moderate sized fire in the building resulted. Near a heli-pad. Might be a helicopter

72nd and York. I live on 51 and it does not intersect York.
 
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:16 am

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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:16 am

It's the red-brown "pyramid top" building in this photo. It's on East 72nd between East River Road and York Ave. The aircraft struck the northeast side of the building.



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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:19 am

Just seen this on the news...

From the live pictures, the fire seems intense, but only in about 4/5 windows maybe?, black smoke so still burning on fuel? (correct me if I'm wrong)
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:21 am

An eye witness claims seeing a fixed wing white plane with 4 windows. The fire is now substantial. And the plane struck the 20th floor and not the 44th.
 
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:23 am

And I booked flights to go to NY only 24 hours ago!

 Sad
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:24 am

CNN saying the plane wasn't in contact with ATC because it didn't need to be in contact with anyone flying under VFR.

Huh? What class of airspace is the Upper East Side of Manhattan covered by?  

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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:29 am

CNN is reporting that the fire is now under control. No evidence of Terrorism. Just a tragic accident.
 
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting Kazzie (Reply 16):
And I booked flights to go to NY only 24 hours ago!

I don't think this will affect your travel...

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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:32 am

NORAD has scrambled combat air patrols over several US cities.

Sounds like an over-reaction.
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:33 am

NORAD now dispatching fighther jets over "numerous cities." Per- CNN.

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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:33 am

I'm seeing this on the news right now...people are probably freaking out about something thats probably not as big as the news makes it seem.

MSNBC Reporter: "People seem panicked near the scene, talking of two different types of plane crashes. Witnesses say they saw loud explosions"

Two planes? Really? Now people can't tell whether its a helicopter or a small prop plane, is it really that hard to tell the difference???
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:34 am

Wonder what happened- not allowed to fly on that side of manhattan without specific ATC clearance.
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:35 am

I work on 42nd and 1st Ave. overlooking the street; the sirens are still going... Just like it was on 9/11. It brought me back to that freaking day.

Listening to 1010 news they just reported that it was a "small commuter airplane" and that the fire is out.

The station also reports that "...at this time there are no reports of injuries..." nor do they know how many people were on the aircraft.
 
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:35 am

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 20):
NORAD has scrambled combat air patrols over several US cities.

Sounds like an over-reaction.

I can confirm the CAP is active over the LA metro area as I am listening to BIGFOOT and MAGIC flights as we speak. They were up very quickly.
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting SkyHigh777 (Reply 22):
Two planes? Really? Now people can't tell whether its a helicopter or a small prop plane, is it really that hard to tell the difference???

FAA has confirmed it is a multi-engined fixed wing aircraft.

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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 19):

I don't think this will affect your travel...

Oh I know  Smile

Just a weird feeling I booked to go there and then this happens... Hopfully the fire will be put out soon!
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:37 am

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 21):
NORAD now dispatching fighther jets over "numerous cities." Per- CNN.

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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:38 am

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 20):
NORAD has scrambled combat air patrols over several US cities.

Sounds like an over-reaction.

I can't think of a another context in which I'd more rather be safe than sorry.
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:41 am

Quoting Nycfuturepilot (Reply 23):
Wonder what happened- not allowed to fly on that side of manhattan without specific ATC clearance.

Actually you can up to a certain point.
Of course not after this, I would guess.
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting YHMYYZspotter (Reply 28):
Are you being serious?

According to CNN NORAD has scambled fighters for CAPs over multiple cities, just as a precaution.

This brings back fond memories... glad we're not dicking around this time and are getting fighters in the air and being skeptical.
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:43 am

Quoting VEEREF (Reply 30):
Actually you can up to a certain point.
Of course not after this, I would guess.

What point is that? From the surface to the floor of Class B?

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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 20):
NORAD has scrambled combat air patrols over several US cities.

Sounds like an over-reaction.

Having lived through 9/11, I can tell you that this "over reaction" is most welcomed.
 
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 31):
According to CNN NORAD has scambled fighters for CAPs over multiple cities, just as a precaution.

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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:45 am

I really hope this isn't a Beech 1900 or other small passenger airplane.
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:45 am

The only plane I ever see going up and down the east river is a seaplane that takes off from around 34th and the East River. It's quite infrequent. Also, that area is relatively close to LGA and must be pretty restrictive.

Maybe it was a seaplane? My apartment is only 7 blocks from there!
 
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:47 am

Quoting JoeKuboj (Reply 34):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you.

Again, I'd much rather be safe than sorry in this situation. What would people be saying if NORAD hadn't scrambled fighters after an aircraft hit a building in a major metropolitan area? Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess.
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:47 am

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 20):
NORAD has scrambled combat air patrols over several US cities.

Sounds like an over-reaction.

I have a feeling that the current policy is to launch as soon as the first word comes in that a plane has hit a building, not wait a minute or two until basic information like type and flight plan can be determined. Remember that in all the confusion of 9/11 some people thought a light aircraft was invovled, not an airliner.

Quoting N844AA (Reply 29):

I can't think of a another context in which I'd more rather be safe than sorry.

Exactly. In the grand scheme of things a few CAP jets is a simple precaution.
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:48 am

Quoting Petazulu (Reply 36):
Maybe it was a seaplane? My apartment is only 7 blocks from there!

I have seen that plane as well and it does come in low. I would not be surprised to find that it was the one that crashed.
 
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:48 am

The NORAD response is interesting... while I'm glad they are on the ball, I find it hard to believe that they would scramble because something of Cessna size hit a building. Did they scramble when that plane hit a building in Tampa after 9/11??
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:48 am

CNN reporting 1 fatality at this point.
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:49 am

Quoting JoeKuboj (Reply 34):
banghead

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia

What do you expect we do?  Yeah sure

I am glad knowing we aren't sitting around twiddling our thumbs when something happens. I'd rather be safe than sorry. I can hear another F-16 leaving March ARB right now... I feel relaxed knowing these guys are doing their job. Even as this isn't likely terrorism it's good to know they are prepared and are ready to respond for when the real thing happens.
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:50 am

Quoting Nkops (Reply 40):
The NORAD response is interesting... while I'm glad they are on the ball, I find it hard to believe that they would scramble because something of Cessna size hit a building. Did they scramble when that plane hit a building in Tampa after 9/11??

Its entirely possible that a group of terrorists rented small planes and is commencing an attack.

Is it likely? No.

Should we take precautions? Absolutely.
 
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:50 am

The FBI have now realesed a statement to the BBC saying that this is not terrorist related. Lastest pics show that the fire is still blazing. (Watching ABC on-line). All roads around the building have been closed off due to the fact that ambulances and fire engines are blocking them. Are there any reports of injuries / fatalities??

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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:51 am

Has anyone confirmed what type of plane it was?
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:52 am

Who really cares about if fighter jets were scrambled or not, i for one am more interested in knowing more what type of plane this was and how many people got in the middle of this.

Any info on the A/C?
 
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:53 am

Paranoia: A tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness.

NORAD's response is neither excessive or irrational. In fact it's based on a very real threat. You need to learn the meaning of the word paranoia before you use it in a derogatory manner.
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:53 am

Quoting Pawsleykat (Reply 44):
Are there any reports of injuries / fatalities??

Confirmed 2 dead.... probably from the airplane!!

Quoting Indio66 (Reply 43):
Its entirely possible that a group of terrorists rented small planes and is commencing an attack

True. Anything is possible nowadays!!

Next, it'll be blimps!!
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RE: Plane Crashes Into Building In NYC

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:54 am

7online.com is now saying it was "a fixed wing aircraft operating in an exclusion zone."

Why the hell did no-one get to it??